Do you want us all to panic?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Do you want us all to panic?
Likewise. I feel the situation will escalate.
I have a 98% chance of survival if i get it, right? I’d rather better odds but it could be worse?
Probably depends on your underlying health conditions, and what country you are in. If you are already healthy and in a country with a very good healthcare system it's probably far higher. If not, far lower.
This article sets it all out - it seems he has unwittingly passed the infection round in different countries.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ronavirus-from-singapore-to-sussex-via-france
If this was the general I would have lots of things to say about him. Alas, the CE is public.
Imagine being that bloke right now - international plague-bearer
When did they hide 80,000 deaths?
Not to mention the complete difference in the two time frames.
While I think the Chinese government are appalling, I wonder if the people who write some of the more sensationalist things have ever been to the country?
One of my sons is dating a Chinese woman and I've been a few times now (just to visit and also to meet her family). The country and people's access to information is not at all what I had assumed before heading out there.
Of course, not saying they don't heavily censor (they do) or that they don't successfully change how their population thinks (then again, which country doesn't).
Why? He had been to Singapore, over 2000 miles away from Wuhan, and not known to be a place at risk at that time. Tens of thousands of people will have travelled to Europe from the far east in the last few weeks, he was just unlucky.
Why can't you say what you want here? It's only google rules that seperate the general, and they were mostly flesh in photos anyway, so what could you possibly have to say about this man going by that article?
I'm genuinely intrigued.
Ignore me, I know little about the virus and I won't go any further about the guy here. I shouldn't have said it.
No probs, it's likely lots of the information available at the moment is dodgy anyway.
He's my GP. It wasn't a critique of the situation I was hinting at, and it isn't appropriate, and I shouldn't have said it.
Fair enough, I get it. If you are uncomfortable then say no more.
The post I should have made is that I'm quite worried on a personal level because if this thing spreads to the care home two hundred yards from me that is in the same building as the other practice he and many of his colleagues split their time between, then I really would fear the worst for the vulnerable people there.
Livetracker, but works way better on a laptop or desktop.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
We will find out in due course what this thing is or at least have a much better understanding. My general feeling is that it is highly contagious, human-to-human primarily via respiratory droplets ala SARS. With that said, based on current projections its mortality rate is likely not that high as there are likely plenty of asymptomatic carriers or patients with mild forms of the disease who haven't had confirmatory lab diagnosis.
The deaths as mentioned likely due to comorbidities, multi-organ issues, superimposed bacterial infection or sepsis in addition to poor hospital infrastructure (lack of availability of ITU, second tier hospital wards, NIV equipment, lack of intubation/ventilator assistance with a low ceiling of care for the elderly). Therefore any extrapolations around this virus pertaining to impact in the "western" world simply does not have robust enough data to do so. Honestly though I was more worried about Ebola.
A major outbreak however would be a nightmare for the NHS which despite what Matt Hancock says is nowhere near ready to cope as it has already crumbled with current pressures (have a look at how nobody even cares about A&E 4 week targets, the appalling delays in 2 week wait cancer pathways in addition to issues with EMAS and huge waiting lists for secondary care opinions)
The deaths as mentioned likely due to comorbidities, multi-organ issues, superimposed bacterial infection or sepsis in addition to poor hospital infrastructure (lack of availability of ITU, second tier hospital wards, NIV equipment, lack of intubation/ventilator assistance with a low ceiling of care for the elderly). Therefore any extrapolations around this virus pertaining to impact in the "western" world simply does not have robust enough data to do so. Honestly though I was more worried about Ebola.
A major outbreak however would be a nightmare for the NHS which despite what Matt Hancock says is nowhere near ready to cope as it has already crumbled with current pressures (have a look at how nobody even cares about A&E 4 week targets, the appalling delays in 2 week wait cancer pathways in addition to issues with EMAS and huge waiting lists for secondary care opinions)
Time to move to Africa.
Quite surprising no cases reported there, despite a rather vast Chinese presence.
Quite surprising no cases reported there, despite a rather vast Chinese presence.
I've been listening to a virology podcast with people that seem to know their shit and are analysing the daily published papers from those studying this virus inside Wuhan/China and elsewhere. It is pretty much confirmed it spreads as you say and they seem pretty confident the number of infections will level out at some point, just as SARS did, although I don't understand how that happened, better hygiene and warmer weather apparently? They speculate it may be another seasonal winter virus.
The rumours of asymptomatic infection seem to have been debunked, that came from a woman travelling to Germany for a short business trip and passing it on there. She has since confirmed she did have symptoms in Germany, whoever published that just didn't do their research.
He didn't feel ill, he had no idea. It's not his fault at all, but it does show how hard it is to contain the spread when one infected person can visit several countries in a very short time, for work and then for a holiday. Sitting on a plane for hours and hours is the worst environment.
Considering the normal flu kills at least 12000 people per year in the US alone more than 900 isn't exactly that catastrophic.
None in the middle east either is there? Sandwiched between both.
Some would say it is the best continent.....
An outbreak in densely populated parts of Africa would be pretty terrible but I guess Ebola has been good practice for some.
I think I read somewhere that most flu viruses needs a dry and cold climate to spread effectively, and that it doesn’t survive in hot and humid climates.
Just booked a flight to Nairobi!
SARS didn't like the warmth, so possibily same for this one.
It is a bit odd the number of confirmed cases each day is fairly static, suggests this is just China's testing capacity.
This virus is asymptomatic isn't it? It's virtually impossible to stop it from spreading without putting everyone in quarantine and testing everyone that has been exposed.
They have been dropping the last few days.
Disgusting once again from the Daily Mail. Making him look like a villain whereas he is just another victim.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...vealed-businessman-scout-leader-Brighton.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...vealed-businessman-scout-leader-Brighton.html
Well, not reading or linking that shite might help. We all know theyre extreme cnuts.
Got to feel sorry for the guy. Not his fault in the slightest, just terrible luck.
As he's released a statement, and his company, assume one of the rags found out who it was and gave him an opportunity to come out first so they weren;t seen as the bad guys.
Still surprised it's being reported though.
As he's released a statement, and his company, assume one of the rags found out who it was and gave him an opportunity to come out first so they weren;t seen as the bad guys.
Still surprised it's being reported though.
Yeah seems a bit harsh to dox the bloke when he blatantly wasn't even aware he had anything. His name and pic are on the beeb and sky now too.
Exactly.....what a situation to find yourself in, whilst ill on top on it
"The coronavirus super-spreader" for feck sake 
Sounds like the Nickname for a wrestler, boxer or MMA fighter"The coronavirus super-spreader" for feck sake
"Super-spreader" is actually a scientific term from what I gather, these virology nerds keep using it when looking at past SARS examples where one person infected like 10+ people compared to the average of 2.
So did this guy go round snogging everyone or what? He's been carrying this virus for weeks, not even had a cough, and infected 11 people?
One of the worries seem to be that most people will only get mild symptoms not much different to the common cold, therefore they won't go to hospital won't take the neccessary precautions to avoid it spreading. Once spread the next person might not have it so easy and develop sever symptoms / pneumonia. Jury is still out on whether it is asymptomatic.
So did this guy go round snogging everyone or what? He's been carrying this virus for weeks, not even had a cough, and infected 11 people?
One of the worries seem to be that most people will only get mild symptoms not much different to the common cold, therefore they won't go to hospital won't take the neccessary precautions to avoid it spreading. Once spread the next person might not have it so easy and develop sever symptoms / pneumonia. Jury is still out on whether it is asymptomatic.
cnuts, yes. Extreme, no. That is the most popular paper in the Uk.
Aye. People believe so much daft shite without applying even one second of common sense.
Facts and accurate reporting are not shared. Dramatic headlines and misinformation are.
The ultimate irony is watching folks scream “China are lying!” At the same time they share unverified and fabricated nonsenses.