SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Man of Leisure said:
Some might argue there already is a huge outbreak, but I know what you mean. I think we’re all fecked if that happens. Regardless of the existing healthcare system in the country. Having said that, the US is as well-equipped to deal with it as anywhere globally. My point was, poor people do have access to healthcare here in America.
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The US has more ICU beds per head of population but I'm thinking that like most health related issues in the US the difference between the insured and uninsured is huge.

My son is at Uni in California and thankfully he gets full health insurance as part of his scholarship.
 
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Wibble said:
The US has more ICU beds pervhead of population but I'm thinking that kike most health related issues in the US the difference between the insured and uninsured is huge.

My son is at Uni in California and thankfully he gets full health insurance as part of his scholarship.
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Weird autocorrect there mate :lol:
 
Almost 4000 new cases today worldwide and 103 deaths. Mortality is lower thean 3.4% which is good news.
 
Penna said:
Yes, you have a point. All the schools are closed here, which makes a lot of sense because many Italians live as extended families. It's really common to have a 90-year-old gran living in the same house as her primary-age great-grandchildren. It puts the old at even more risk.
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The majority of kids at the schools in my area get picked up by grandparents and it just looks scary as hell.
Pexbo said:
Is there any link between this virus and alcohol?

I drank quite a lot of alcohol last night and this morning I’ve woken up feeling absolutely horrendous. Scary times
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Further clinical trials are required over the next several days before you can come to any reasonable conclusion.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Exactly. This mass hysteria over a nothing virus. And I am saying “nothing virus” based on the massively low death rates compared to swine flu, Ebola and others ( I saw a chart comparing this virus to the other ones since 1966 and this has BY FAR the lowest death rates).
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That's because we are only a few weeks in to it. We have not come across a virus in our lifetimes that spreads AND kills as effectively as this does. That's why everybody is taking it so seriously.

Ebola has a huge death rate, but it's too deadly. It doesn't spread well because everybody who has it gets very ill very quickly.
SARS had a high death rate but again didn't spread too well because people showed symptoms very quickly.
MERS the same.
The flu spreads incredibly well through all its different strains, but its not very deadly.
A common cold spreads to pretty much everybody, but almost nobody dies from it.

Swine flu in 2009 infected an estimated 1 billion people and killed 2-300,000. This coronavirus is both more deadly and more easily transmitted than that was.
 
Just had the wee baby running up to me, climb on to my knee to babble at me, and then sneeze right in my face. So, yeah, 100% confirmed that everyone in this house will be getting it at some point if he gets it. Still having to remind the other kids to stop touching his fecking face every three seconds in case they transmit it to him. I might just put him in a bubble until he turns 21.
 
Skills said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-51777049

Largest jump in deaths in Italy, approximately 4.25% of those affected. Seems like they're still maintaining that the avg age is 81. Seems like Italy might have just got a bit unlucky with the demographic that was infected by it.
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I said elsewhere in the thread but the people infected (not just killed) in my town are all over 60. I don't know if it's not getting to younger people, they're not getting symptoms, or what, but the older demographics are definitely getting hit harder.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Exactly. This mass hysteria over a nothing virus. And I am saying “nothing virus” based on the massively low death rates compared to swine flu, Ebola and others ( I saw a chart comparing this virus to the other ones since 1966 and this has BY FAR the lowest death rates).
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It doesn't have to do something as drastic as kill you to be a problem. I don't think anyone wants to spend two weeks being sick because of something that could be better controlled if it was taken seriously and cautiously.

The reality is that this will continue to spread like wildfire because nobody is willing to let the economy get hurt. The Great and Powerful Economy, Lord and God above to us all. That which should not be harmed. But feck those who would have otherwise been uninfected.

Sorry, don't know why I'm ranting on a Saturday morning.
 
11101 said:
I said elsewhere in the thread but the people infected (not just killed) in my town are all over 60. I don't know if it's not getting to younger people, they're not getting symptoms, or what, but the older demographics are definitely getting hit harder.
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fecking boomers, keeping everything to themselves.
 
SportingCP96 said:
My point being by saying “it’s just a flu” is that the percentage of deaths is very low. This is not some serious life threatening thing to the human race. Next year there will be another one.
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But it’s not a flu is it? By saying it as such you are contributing to a lax society. Governments don’t shut down their countries for the flu, the fact that they do for this should speak volumes for how serious it should be taken.

No, it won’t take out the entire world but there will likely be tens of thousands of unlucky people dead by the time it’s run it’s course.

Think of this, some countries seem to have a wait and see policy — think how quickly it will spread based on these responses if it was a ‘global killer’. Scary thought, or it should be.
 
SportingCP96 said:
1%. My point exactly which is this is a nothing virus. The chances of you dying by it is very very minimal.

Maybe was the bird flu then I saw a chart comparison a few days ago but I could have the virus confused.

The MAIN point is...this is nothing to stress over as it is not one bit serious.
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Ahhh we’re all grand then, you should tell Italy to open up its borders again and we can all go there for a hand-shaking party. You first
 
Jim Beam said:
So, doctor in Slovenia was in Italy a week ago, come back and went straight back to treat patients (some of them people in an Elderly care). Turns out positive yesterday after 3 days of working.

Can understand regular, uninformed people not taking it seriously, but this is a bit too much. Am not in some panic, doom mode, but it is pretty obvious it can become very serious if not for you then certainly for older ones or those with underlying health issues. It is also pretty obvious we are not near ready or have the same awareness Chinese did.
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Unless you live under a rock, someone like this doctor should be taken for negligence if he’s passed it in despite knowing the risks
 
Wibble said:
My son is at Uni in California and thankfully he gets full health insurance as part of his scholarship.
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Your son goes to UCSB (my alma mater) iirc, doesn’t he? I believe all students are eligle to receive care at the student health center, regardless if they’re on an athletic scholarship or what insurance they may or may not have. At least that was the case when I was there many years ago.
 
Ian Reus said:
Trump.
Trumpenstein.
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I assumed there'd be checks and balances to follow protocol in the case of outlier events like this, regardless of who is the president in charge.

The US government plans to take the Grand Princess to a “non-commercial port” where all the passengers and crew would be tested, however, President Donald Trump said on Friday he would prefer not to allow the passengers onto American soil.

“I like the numbers being where they are,” said Trump, who appeared to be explicitly acknowledging his political concerns about the outbreak: “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”

This is a really stupid comment.
 
zing said:
I assumed there'd be checks and balances to follow protocol in the case of outlier events like this, regardless of who is the president in charge.

The US government plans to take the Grand Princess to a “non-commercial port” where all the passengers and crew would be tested, however, President Donald Trump said on Friday he would prefer not to allow the passengers onto American soil.

“I like the numbers being where they are,” said Trump, who appeared to be explicitly acknowledging his political concerns about the outbreak: “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”

This is a really stupid comment.
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He's the guy who saw someone bleeding out and his only thought was "they've ruined that floor" isn't he? Compassion will not come into his thinking at all when it comes to any outbreak.
 
golden_blunder said:
Unless you live under a rock, someone like this doctor should be taken for negligence if he’s passed it in despite knowing the risks
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We just had a GP who returned from the US and felt sick but then went to work and treated 70 patients before getting tested. Guess what he had?
 
11101 said:
That's because we are only a few weeks in to it. We have not come across a virus in our lifetimes that spreads AND kills as effectively as this does. That's why everybody is taking it so seriously.

Ebola has a huge death rate, but it's too deadly. It doesn't spread well because everybody who has it gets very ill very quickly.
SARS had a high death rate but again didn't spread too well because people showed symptoms very quickly.
MERS the same.
The flu spreads incredibly well through all its different strains, but its not very deadly.
A common cold spreads to pretty much everybody, but almost nobody dies from it.

Swine flu in 2009 infected an estimated 1 billion people and killed 2-300,000. This coronavirus is both more deadly and more easily transmitted than that was.
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Yeah, this one appears to be in the Goldilocks zone, balancing infection rate and death rate to be the most dangerous.
 
Man of Leisure said:
Your son goes to UCSB (my alma mater) iirc, doesn’t he? I believe all students are eligle to receive care at the student health center, regardless if they’re on an athletic scholarship or what insurance they may or may not have. At least that was the case when I was there many years ago.
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Yes. Although everyone needs insurance of some sort. Just who pays the $3800 annual insurance varies, unless you get a waiver if your parent's insurance covers you.

How long since you were there?
 
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Di Maria's angel said:
So, 1200 Canary Wharf workers evacuated - staff banned from using TFL. But, I'm just being dramatic according to some...
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Because you do this type of sh1t.

1200 workers were not evacuated. One company simply told its staff to work from home.

It was a completely different company that ALLEGEDLY told his small staff in Knightsbridge to take Cabs instead of the Tube.

I don’t know if you do it deliberately. But you often misrepresent things. Why?
 
Wibble said:
We just had a GP who returned from the US and felt sick but then went to work and treated 70 patients before getting tested. Guess what he had?
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Rather oddly it turns out that this was Missy Higgins's dad.
 
Wibble said:
We just had a GP who returned from the US and felt sick but then went to work and treated 70 patients before getting tested. Guess what he had?
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This is becoming quite a common story. We had one in my town where the doctor had a fever and a bad cough so went to the local A&E to spread it around a bit before he was diagnosed. If medical professionals aren't following advice the rest of us have no hope. There are multiple reports here in Italy of people escaping quarantine zones and running away from hospital isolation.
 
11101 said:
This is becoming quite a common story. We had one in my town where the doctor had a fever and a bad cough so went to the local A&E to spread it around a bit before he was diagnosed. If medical professionals aren't following advice the rest of us have no hope. There are multiple reports here in Italy of people escaping quarantine zones and running away from hospital isolation.
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I wonder if we are too stupid to survive as a species?
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Because you do this type of sh1t.

1200 workers were not evacuated. One company simply told its staff to work from home.

It was a completely different company that ALLEGEDLY told his small staff in Knightsbridge to take Cabs instead of the Tube.

I don’t know if you do it deliberately. But you often misrepresent things. Why?
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No idea how I'm misrepresenting anything? I'm taking facts as I see them and sharing them. Far too many of you are too quick to bury your head in the sand and brush this aside as nothing.
 
Wibble said:
We just had a GP who returned from the US and felt sick but then went to work and treated 70 patients before getting tested. Guess what he had?
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Toblerone
 
zing said:
Can someone explain why, by all reports, the US is doing a poor job of testing?

I had assumed countries like US and UK would be very efficient in dealing with this sort of thing.
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The first kits were flawed and low in number. They couldn't be used. As new kits were developed they had to go through the fda approval process. I believe it took a while for emergency status and expedited approval to kick in. Without that, approval can take many months, even if submissions are perfect. Some locations likely set up "Homebrew" tests, but those will be low throughput and can't be used outside of the location that developed them.
 
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