Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Why the fecking feck is Atletico - Dippers still happening tonight with thousands of fans being allowed in from fecking Madrid right now...?

Absolutely insane.

You think it’s time to shut down airports and all public transport?

You realise how many Spanish people arrive in London daily and travel on that tube system?

 

[RobinLFC]

You think it’s time to shut down airports and all public transport?

Not necessarily but it's reckless to have that many people from Madrid over when there's been a recent outbreak there. Just not worth the risk - it only takes one infected person without any symptons to pass it on in a pub or in the stadium and there you go.

 

[Jacckk1985]

Why the fecking feck is Atletico - Dippers still happening tonight with thousands of fans being allowed in from fecking Madrid right now...?

Absolutely insane.

Because everything is under control.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Not necessarily but it's reckless to have that many people from Madrid over when there's been a recent outbreak there. Just not worth the risk - it only takes one infected person without any symptons to pass it on in a pub or in the stadium and there you go.

@RobinLFC how many Spanish arrive every day and travel on the tube and it’s 5 million daily journeys?

 

[Rhyme Animal]

You think it’s time to shut down airports and all public transport?

You realise how many Spanish people arrive in London daily and travel on that tube system?

See below...

Not necessarily but it's reckless to have that many people from Madrid over when there's been a recent outbreak there. Just not worth the risk - it only takes one infected person without any symptons to pass it on in a pub or in the stadium and there you go.

This ^

 

[jderbyshire]

Why was the Valencia game played behind closed doors, but not Liverpool/Atletico?

Spain aren't that far behind Italy in terms of number of infections, right?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

See below...
This ^

how many Spanish arrive every day and travel on the tube and it’s 5 million daily journeys?

This!

The mass hysteria surrounding sporting events and a couple of thousand Spanish fans is absolutely dwarfed when you think big picture. If you wanna stop 1500 Athletico fans then maybe, just maybe you should stop the 30 million London tourists arriving every year.

 

[Ludens the Red]

None of us are experts but unless they are planning to shut down the London tube, London buses, Manchester metrolink, Manchester buses, every single Primark and supermarket in the country, every airport, all flights, I have no idea why anyone thinks cancelling sporting events will be a major thing thing to stop the spread.

No it wouldn't be for health reasons. It would be PR.

Like the banning of shaking hands before a match, when the sport is full contact and there's an orgy in the 18 yard box at every corner. It's to make it look like actions are being taken.

But if COVID-19 is still spreading in August, the very first thing people will ask, would be why Football matches wasn't cancelled during the containment phase. And it'll be a stick to beat the PM with.

Yup

 

[DoubleDinhos]

A fine accolade indeed.

Perhaps they'll put a special mention in the record books.

It's a good thing Liverpool isn't a club to self-mythologise much, nor do we have many pundits in the media, otherwise you might never hear the end of the self-congratulation.

 

[Smores]

Absolutely, as I said above, we're talking 70,000 at a United game but 5 million journeys on the London tube alone every single day.

It's PR bollocks to make it look like the powers that be are doing everything possible to stop the spread, put everything on shut down or don't bother at all.

Let me just put a very simple concept forward, the more social contacts the more a virus spreads? Disagree?

This isn't about stopping all spreading of the virus, it's about minimising opportunities for spread. The best way to do that as a starting point is stop any unnecessary events that won't produce much of an economic cost.

 

[TrustInOle]

If the scientists are to be believed, then we are only in the beginning phases of this virus and people are vastly under rating the impact it could have. No symptoms but infectious up to 28 days before showing any signs of having the virus, with it apparently going through an incubation phase of sorts from my understanding, meaning it has 28 days to lie low, jumping from person to person before anybody has an idea where its dormant before flaring up again in increased numbers. Scary times and I hope people of power pay attention. I mean truthully, we could be years away from any sort of vaccine that could fight this.

Edit. Small sample of a very intriguing interview on Joe Rogan with a investigative medical expert.

 

[Gonçalo Motta]

Too great? Normal flu kills way more people, as does TB and other communicable diseases. There so much fake media hype about this it’s rediculous.

That's really ignorant to say and makes me think you live in a bubble.

You are comparing a normal season flu kill count vs a new virus that keeps reaching more people by the minute with no known cure / direct treatment.
I do agree this is pretty much a strong flu on steroids but that doesn't change the fact that the kill rate of the flu is close to 0.1% while the new corona virus is around 2%. Obviously having no known treatment and depending on the country the kill rate will vary (Italy is at 5% atm), but overall it is way deadlier than the flu.

I think ignorance is as bad as fake media hype and underestimating a virus that barely just started spreading, is way deadlier than the flu and has no known cure / treatment is just fcking dumb.

It's not the end of the world though

 

[Rhyme Animal]

This!

The mass hysteria surrounding sporting events and a couple of thousand Spanish fans is absolutely dwarfed when you think big picture. If you wanna stop 1500 Athletico fans then maybe, just maybe you should stop the 30 million London tourists arriving every year.

It's about slowing down the spread mate, that's what's absolutely crucial and will save lives.

All trans-European matches should quite obviously be played behind closed doors, that is blatant.

 

[Godfather]

That's really ignorant to say and makes me think you live in a bubble.

You are comparing a normal season flu kill count vs a new virus that keeps reaching more people by the minute with no known cure / direct treatment.
I do agree this is pretty much a strong flu on steroids but that doesn't change the fact that the kill rate of the flu is close to 0.1% while the new corona virus is around 2%. Obviously having no known treatment and depending on the country the kill rate will vary (Italy is at 5% atm), but overall it is way deadlier than the flu.

I think ignorance is as bad as fake media hype and underestimating a virus that barely just started spreading, is way deadlier than the flu and has no known cure / treatment is just fcking dumb.

It's not the end of the world though

The kill rate currently is even higher at about 3,6% if you believe worldometer.

 

[VeevaVee]

If the scientists are to be believed, then we are only in the beginning phases of this virus and people are vastly under rating the impact it could have. No symptoms but infectious up to 28 days before showing any signs of having the virus, with it apparently going through an incubation phase of sorts from my understanding, meaning it has 28 days to lie low, jumping from person to person before anybody has an idea where its dormant before flaring up again in increased numbers. Scary times and I hope people of power pay attention. I mean truthully, we could be years away from any sort of vaccine that could fight this.

Edit. Small sample of a very intriguing interview on Joe Rogan with a investigative medical expert.

They’re saying 5 days incubation, 12 before symptoms now. Still longer than usual.

https://time.com/5797300/coronavirus-incubation-period/

 

[TrustInOle]

They’re saying 5 days incubation, 12 before symptoms now. Still longer than usual.

https://time.com/5797300/coronavirus-incubation-period/

According to linked interview, unless i mis heard, have incidents of people coming into contact with the virus and not showing symptons for 28 days. Even if i got it wrong, 12 days is a scary long time considering the amount of people you will be within distance off.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Question to all reds: Would you take another season in the Europa if it meant Liverpool not winning the title and Leeds staying in the championship? Bearing in mind that any small chance we have of getting Sancho probably goes with no CL football next season.

 

[Godfather]

It's about slowing down the spread mate, that's what's absolutely crucial and will save lives.

All trans-European matches should quite obviously be played behind closed doors, that is blatant.

This. The hospitals and medical staff are overwhelmed as it is. This virus will make this a thousand times worse if it spreads uncontrollably.

 

[bosnian_red]

It's not just a short term solution. The idea with a shutdown is not to prevent the spread completely or anything like that. The idea is to mitigate the problem so that the numbers are not so bad as to overwhelm the healthcare system.

Yes and that's a short term solution. You cant shut down multiple countries for extended periods of time, it just won't work and people will have to live their lives eventually. Same applies to football. They arent going to postpone next season that's 5 months away, as they arent going to shut down the countries and borders for 5 months everywhere around the world. Euros is a different case. It's not sustainable though.

 

[Guy Incognito]

A couple of weeks ago I'd have said Liverpool would have wrapped up the title by 21 March, but it's likely they'll do so against Villa on 11 April. Regardless, I don't imagine the season will be null and void and the league will postpone it. The Euros will be a logistical nightmare.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Let me just put a very simple concept forward, the more social contacts the more a virus spreads? Disagree?

This isn't about stopping all spreading of the virus, it's about minimising opportunities for spread. The best way to do that as a starting point is stop any unnecessary events that won't produce much of an economic cost.

It's not though is it? The social contacts are rarely the issue, it's surface contact.

82,000 tourists PER DAY coming into London and touching rails, pub bars, toilet, handels etc etc, on a service that has 5 million journeya per day. Or 1500 Athletico fans coming to Liverpool?

The effect of playing tonight's game behind closed doors is so minimal in comparison it would absolutely be nothing more than a PR stunt to show "we're trying".

 

[arnie_ni]

Wat? We have now reached the point where I can't tell that if any of you are seriously worried about that virus or you are trying to some weird ass mental mind games in hope that Liverpool's impressive league win wouldn't count?

Outside of Italy, calling anything to be behind closed doors or postponed is some serious overreacting.

They cant just postpone arsenals games. They need to postpone the games of the teams arsenal have played since, and who they have played and so on if they are serious about this?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

It's about slowing down the spread mate, that's what's absolutely crucial and will save lives.

All trans-European matches should quite obviously be played behind closed doors, that is blatant.

It's not blatant though @Rhyme Animal, that's the point, why stop 1500 Athletico fans coming into contact with Anfield and the surrounding areas but not the 82,000 tourists per day visiting London and coming into contact with everything imaginable in a city of over 10 million people? You surely understand how fecking stupid that is? Like trying to treat an amputated leg with a plaster.

It'd be PR and nothing more.

Stopping this game without doing the "hard stuff" won't stop it, won't slow, won't even put a dent in it. @Godfather, @Smores and others thinking it will need to realise that if this is to even be "slowed", we're gonna have to do a shit load more than just stop a few sporting events.

 

[Dec9003]

You think it’s time to shut down airports and all public transport?

You realise how many Spanish people arrive in London daily and travel on that tube system?

I’d say it definitely is.
It’s a dangerous virus that needs all measures being taken to contain it.
Look at Italy, it’s awful what’s happening there, Hunan lives are at stake.
I do agree with you though, just cancelling football and having people galavante around major cities seems unlikely to make a big enough impact to stop the disease becoming an issue in the UK

 

[Globule]

I suspect that most clubs would agree to give Liverpool the trophy.

Utd fans should not be too downhearted by this as no matter how hard Liverpool try to polish their trophy, it would always be tarnished.

Wouldn't this have ramifications for those teams in a relegation battle? If you call the winners of the league when it's still possible for them to not win it (highly improbable, but still possible) shouldn't the same rule apply to all other positions?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I’d say it definitely is.
It’s a dangerous virus that needs all measures being taken to contain it.
Look at Italy, it’s awful what’s happening there, Hunan lives are at stake.
I do agree with you though, just cancelling football and having people galavante around major cities seems unlikely to make a big enough impact to stop the disease becoming an issue in the UK

Then there you go.

My point is this, if it's so bad that we should cancel concerts and sporting events, cancel fecking everything or it's just PR and the powers that be know full well it is.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

The best way to do that as a starting point is stop any unnecessary events that won't produce much of an economic cost.

Agreed.

Plus, regarding the PR angle: the question isn't how well known super cnut Boris J is likely to view matters from a "I'll cover my arse as best I can and give the impression of being a proper leader" perspective - but, simply, whether it makes sense as a measure taken to prevent a highly undesirable peak (of the virus).

And it does make sense, surely. And it's actually recommended by medical experts - it's not an idea Boris J has come up with to make himself look good.

 

[TrustInOle]

Man city vs Arsenal suspended due to coronavirus. Due to arsenal's player's coming into contact with Olympiacos owner.

 

[Giggsyking]

According to linked interview, unless i mis heard, have incidents of people coming into contact with the virus and not showing symptons for 28 days. Even if i got it wrong, 12 days is a scary long time considering the amount of people you will be within distance off.

The virus overload in patients carrying the virus without symptoms is too small to make them a risk carrier, yes they have risk, but the most contagious people are those with symptoms. This is usual virology, nothing special. Life just cant stop just because someone might be a symptom free carrier. The problem with the disease spreading now is people actually have symptoms and ignoring the recommendations and precautions.

 

[arnie_ni]

I suspect that most clubs would agree to give Liverpool the trophy.

Utd fans should not be too downhearted by this as no matter how hard Liverpool try to polish their trophy, it would always be tarnished.

Its more than just that. Not a chance teams in that 5 to 8 range accept the table as is, especially spurs and aresnal who will get champs league footy if it reverts to last seasons table, then none of the bottom 3 will accept it either so theres 5 right of the bat that will say no.

 

[EwanI Ted]

Then there you go.

My point is this, if it's so bad that we should cancel concerts and sporting events, cancel fecking everything or it's just PR and the powers that be know full well it is.

This argument is incredibly flawed. Stopping big sporting events and concerts is simple to do while stopping widespread public travel is incredibly hard to do. Start with the low hanging fruit, and if the spread continues, take more and more drastic measures. Its a totally logical approach.

 

[LordNinio]

Then there you go.

My point is this, if it's so bad that we should cancel concerts and sporting events, cancel fecking everything or it's just PR and the powers that be know full well it is.

That's the same argument as 'there is litter on the floor, so I may as well chuck mine there too'.

Will playing games behind closed doors stop the virus, no, of course not. Will it help slow it, even somewhat, yes it definitely will.

That's before you consider, that at a football match you are in very close proximity to a number of people for an extended amount of time. Which is the perfect way to spread the virus.

 

[El Zoido]

If the league gets suspended, they will just resume it at a later date. Perhaps before next season, and have a different schedule or shorter schedule, that everyone is aware of and agrees to beforehand. They could cancel it now and play the rest of the season in late July/August with a crunched fixture list.

 

[Pexbo]

Because everything is under control.

As evidenced by what exactly?

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Out of interest, I'd like to hear an informed opinion on what's worse with regard to transmitting/catching something like this: a) being relatively stationary in a large, dense crowd for a couple of hours or so - or traveling on the tube (or by bus). The recommendation for people using public transport seems to be: try not to sit/stand very closely (within a meter) from anyone - and avoid people who cough recklessly (duh). Which seems easier said than done. But prolonged contact with a carrier is clearly worse than brief contact.

 

[432JuanMata]

People saying the common flu kills more is true unfortunately the flu has a kill rate of 0.07% and is higher because millions of people get it a year. Covid has a kill rate of 3.5%+ which is incredibly high. I seen that nothing(swine flu,eloba etc) has had a high kill rate since the plague

 

[Utdstar01]

If the league gets suspended, they will just resume it at a later date. Perhaps before next season, and have a different schedule or shorter schedule, that everyone is aware of and agrees to beforehand. They could cancel it now and play the rest of the season in late July/August with a crunched fixture list.

And the euros?

 

[United58]

If the league gets suspended, they will just resume it at a later date. Perhaps before next season, and have a different schedule or shorter schedule, that everyone is aware of and agrees to beforehand. They could cancel it now and play the rest of the season in late July/August with a crunched fixture list.

If it goes 60+ days without a game, according to the rules the season is declared void

 

[Chesterlestreet]

That's before you consider, that at a football match you are in very close proximity to a number of people for an extended amount of time. Which is the perfect way to spread the virus.

Yeah, that would be my (entirely unprofessional) take on it too.

 

[TrustInOle]

People saying the common flu kills more is true unfortunately the flu has a kill rate of 0.07% and is higher because millions of people get it a year. Covid has a kill rate of 3.5%+ which is incredibly high. I seen that nothing(swine flu,eloba etc) has had a high kill rate since the plague

When the media don't know what they are talking about, people won't either unfortunately. We live in an age of lazy journalism and bait click, so this is all it will be for the media. Real facts like this are hard to actually find and based on alot of this thread, not many people actually know what the virus is.