I hope this economy guy is worth saving.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The Lancet is one of the most respected, long running Medical journals out there, right?
Really surprised more people aren't talking about these comments from them! Very telling comments from their Editor.
"UCSF and UCBerkeley have donated their research labs to process kits. But each has capacity to process only 20-40 kits per day. And are not clinically certified. "
Not very comforting
Not very comforting
Every few years there seems another: SARS, Ebola, MERS, H1N1, COVID-19. Growing strains of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Are we in the twilight of a century of medicine’s great triumph over infectious disease?
Wow
Professor John Ashton just on James O'Brien seemingly suggesting that the governments strategy amounts to a bit of a hail Mary pass because they appear so far behind where they should be in preparedness.
Maybe in the short term, I think long term we'll be fine but the growth and global interconnectivity of China has increased the risks for the wider world.
That's an extremely scary factor, Is there factual evidence that immunity is guranteed because if that is not the case 10000s in the UK will die for little to no reason apart from keeping the economy running for a few more days.
Of little surprise with this government though.
Ive very limited knowledge but from everything I've heard thus far, Lancet seems very respected. Make of that what you will.
All elite football in England has been suspended until at least 3 April as a result of the spread of coronavirus.
All Premier League games, EFL fixtures and matches in the FA Women's Super League and Women's Championship have been postponed.
All Premier League games, EFL fixtures and matches in the FA Women's Super League and Women's Championship have been postponed.
Viruses can't be treated with antibiotics.
Pretty sure this is viral not bacterial, so anti-bitotics wouldn't have helped.
Yes, one of them. Keep in mind, it doesn't necessarily mean it's gospel - they all make the occasional snafu.
This got a bit lost in the talk of the UK's general strategy but any idea where they got their 7 days recommendation from? Most other places seem to be saying 14.
South Korea have reported more recoveries than active cases. Yet, our government would have you believe that this cannot be controlled.
- 40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population.
- [We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.]
My professors and my sleepy little town are becoming famous on the global scale through all this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/world/europe/italy-coronavirus.html?smid=fb-share
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/world/europe/italy-coronavirus.html?smid=fb-share
If enough people are immune, the virus can't 'move'; even if you and another person aren't immune, the virus is blocked off by all the immune people ('the immune herd') in between you two. Kind of like crossing a stepping stone bridge and there aren't enough stones. It's not true complete immunity, just a statistical/probability-based quality.
You've probably heard of the measles outbreaks happening due to the anti-vaxx movement. Those are examples of loss of herd immunity at work.
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Yeah. This will likely be the most significant event globally since the popularisation of the Internet. It will dwarf 9/11 in the impact of its ramifications.
Herd immunity is when a virus cannot be spread as easily as most of the "herd" are immune to it and fight it off. It's a term used a lot explaining to anti-vaxxers why they are selfish. Some children are allergic to injections/vaccinations so rely on other to be vaccinated and fight the virus before it can reach them.
Here there is a total lack of coordination. The government hold a demonstration for the Feminism and the next day they impose measures, but part of the government becomes infected/quarantine, and each region controls its health, so not everyone has closed schools.
Now people from Madrid are heading to vacation spots in different parts of the country.
On top Andalusia still refuses to cancel Easter
Say there are 100 people in a town. 99 of them are immune to a disease, while 1 isn't. Someone from a new town comes in with the disease, it's unlikely that the 1 person who's not immune will get exposed to it because the other 99 can't catch it.
This is what I am not understanding. Merkel said 70-80% of Germans may get it - that is 58 Million People or thereabouts. Johnson says lots more People in the UK will get it and die.
But China with a Population of 1.4bn seems to have topped out at around 80,000 cases (0.005% of their Population), the WHO confirms they are in decline and praised the Actions that they took.
How is it then that the rest of us are so fecked? Leaves me to believe that the Governments are only concerned with protecting their economy and not their people.
They're doing things up to and including subpoenaing(?) wireless providers' handshake records to identify individuals who passed through high-exposure areas and track/vet/isolate them.
Brought a tear to my eye.
So the UK is having a giant pox party. Back to the old school methods.
Just playing the odds it seems. Most self-isolating now for 7 days won’t have the coronavirus, and most that did will no longer spread it after 7 days. Absolutely there will be many that do have it and go on to spread it after 7 days in self isolation.
Charming
Worth remembering that there are 10 planned hospital closures in the pipeline for the next 6 months or so.
And no one from government has cancelled them.
And no one from government has cancelled them.
Exactly. And what are they actually doing during this 'delay' phase? Are they sourcing and making space available for more beds? Are they reaching out for more medical help?
I've no problem with them writing that. It's an objective fact which a journalist has every right to discuss, as difficult or as controversial as that might be. In this case i don't think they were being malicious and you have to remember that the Telegraph's audience primarily consists of people in those brackets (elderly) so I don't think they are trying to incite the public to treat these people with contempt.
What about the Sanchez/Mkhitaryan swap deal?
I suppose we are gambling either way. If the scientific advice is far fewer people are dead next year if we do it this way and its going to happen one way or the other then you have to go with that advice.
Fecked if I know what the right move is here.Herd thinking, going along with bad moves made by others to look like you are doing something are just as likely to end in more deaths.
Might be the UK govt is just being more honest about what we are facing, or they are useless shithouses. Well we know they are useless shithouses but you get my point.
Business as usual today in hospitals. Slightly unbelievable. We know this thing is in the community. They are risking passing this on to nurses, junior doctors, registrars and consultants. All of whom will be now expected to isolate for 7 days at the mere sign now of high fever or recurrent cough which honestly will mean last minutes sick calls that rota coordinators will not be able to get replacements/locums in for and massive harm to patients now let alone when this thing is at its peak.
If you don't want to do social isolation in certain respects then fine, but surely flattening the curve can be achieved in numerous more ways than has been currently proposed. Saddest part of this all is it won't be made political when its entirely political that chronic underinvestment in our critical care and other aspects of NHS will lead to deaths.
If you don't want to do social isolation in certain respects then fine, but surely flattening the curve can be achieved in numerous more ways than has been currently proposed. Saddest part of this all is it won't be made political when its entirely political that chronic underinvestment in our critical care and other aspects of NHS will lead to deaths.