SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Neo_Mufc]

I've never been much into politics and I've seen the NHS take a bashing for many things but after this goes away surely countries will need to reassess their health services they do not provide and hope for a better future?

I'm not qualified or educated enough to discuss but what about all those people living in places where they have to pay?

 

[DOTA]

Even though the government advises otherwise, I have no words really for your ignorance.
But that’s the society we live in always compensating for others blatant self regard for the rules.
Hope you enjoyed your pint..

Until they ban the pubs from opening people will obviously see it as their own decision whether to go or not.

At least this one isn't winding us up about teaching our kids tomorrow.

 

[Revan]

Didn't the main whisteblower Doctor who was warning the World of the danger of this virus suddenly die...?

He died from the disease, and apparently was in hospital for a few days.

 

[VorZakone]

Didn't the main whisteblower Doctor who was warning the World of the danger of this virus suddenly die...?

If I recall correctly, he had a high viral load (infected by a patient). He was only 33.

 

[Steerpike]

You’re not concerned with the impact your decision may ultimately make on already strained health services? Or the possibility you may subsequently end up transmitting the virus to somebody who wasn’t there?

Who?? I live alone, and I'm facing, if the worse prognoses are to be believed, up to 18 months in a sort of undeserved solitary confinement. In the absence of data that I can trust, I absolutely refuse to accept that. I will of course take precautions to protect myself, and others indirectly, but I will not become a hermit.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

He died from the disease, and apparently was in hospital for a few days.

If I recall correctly, he had a high viral load (infected by a patient). He was only 33.

It appeared suspicious imo.

But whatever, it's sad that someone so young, and who clearly actually cared about other people's safety was killed in whatever way by this.

Another influential guy who criticized the Chinese President is now missing apparently...

 

[mu4c_20le]

Didn't the main whisteblower Doctor who was warning the World of the danger of this virus suddenly die...?

He was constantly uploading recordings of himself to social media. I don't remember there being anything suspicious about his death or treatment, other than the warning letter and being forced to sign some sort of statement from the government, back when he first discovered the outbreak.

 

[vodrake]

If you're talking about the risk of getting the virus myself - well that's up to me. I'm free to accept or avoid risk as I choose. If I could sign a form to opt out of NHS help should I get covid-19, I'd do so in a heartbeat.

If you're talking about the risk of transmitting it to someone else, I'd say all of the other people in the pub had accepted that risk. They were there because they'd decided that their desire for social intraction was greater than their concern over the virus. They were, so to speak, consenting adults. Of course, we were as careful as we wanted to be (no kissing, touching elbows etc...).

But it's not just about the people at the pub, they've made their decision yes, but they're not the only ones at risk. What about their familys, friends, people on the street they pass by? What about their choice to not be exposed to extra risk, do they not matter?

If you get admitted to hospital, that's one bed that cant be used for someone else with a life threatening condition, all because you guys cant go that day without a pint?

It's incredibly irresponsible

 

[17 Van der Gouw]

Jesus...he's basically holding back tears here. Wow!

Hmmm. I mean, I get it, he feels left high and dry by the EU.

...but why the sudden hard on for China and Xi?

 

[Dante]

I think there are two aspects to what makes this virus dangerous:

• A compromised immune/cardiovascular/respiratory system (due to age or pre-existing condition)
• The amount time and the severity of exposure somebody gets to the virus from close-quarters

The doctor in China who died despite being healthy was exposed to a significant number of infected patients, at their bedside, for a significant amount of time.

I think it's also why 75-80% of the spread happens at home, rather than in work or school.

 

[Raoul]

Kevin Durant - Positive

 

[Ian Reus]

If you're talking about the risk of getting the virus myself - well that's up to me. I'm free to accept or avoid risk as I choose. If I could sign a form to opt out of NHS help should I get covid-19, I'd do so in a heartbeat.

If you're talking about the risk of transmitting it to someone else, I'd say all of the other people in the pub had accepted that risk. They were there because they'd decided that their desire for social intraction was greater than their concern over the virus. They were, so to speak, consenting adults. Of course, we were as careful as we wanted to be (no kissing, touching elbows etc...).

Older folk can be in denial through misinformation so will head to the pub regardless as they lived through worse apparently.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Thats everything the Chinese needed to curb it TBF.

 

[sullydnl]

Surprised so many thought that was a good speech from Leo.

It was all clichés and soundbites but nothing of substance. "Not all heroes wear capes" might get him a few laughs on twitter but it does nothing for those of us with businesses and staff we don't know what to tell.

This half in, half out lockdown is bollocks. They're letting the swell of public opinion and our own sense of morality do their job rather than make anything official that they might end up paying for. When we were paying for the banks they were fine to raise our rates and taxes, and they thought nothing of raising VAT earlier this year, but now we're staring down the barrel of the gun it's radio silence. The bars and clubs have clarity at least but the rest of us in the industry have nothing.

There's more to leadership than just implementing measures, though that's obviously the most important part.

It's our national holiday and we're staring straight into an unprecedented crisis over the coming months. It's entirely appropriate for the Taoiseach make a speech that seeks to go beyond policy and actually speak to the people of the country. People are reacting well to the speech because they feel it judged the mood of the country correctly, set the right tone and summed up the scale of what's to come. There's value in that in and of itself.

Further measures and clarity will come at the point the government's scientific advisers deem it most appropriate, which is as it should be. I appreciate that this is a difficult time for businesses but frankly there's a bigger picture here.

 

[nooshka]

On the first point, no. It's not worth the risk.

As for the rest of it: that's the kind of advice you should be getting from the NHS. Here's the current advice from the RCOG for your other half:
https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/guidelin...nancy/covid-19-virus-infection-and-pregnancy/

The government do list pregnant women in a relatively high risk category with respect to their isolation policy. They're not saying you have to stay away from her. But I it's made clear that she's more vulnerable than most:

* if one member of your family or household has a new continuous cough or high temperature
** if you live alone and you have a new continuous cough or high temperature
*** for example cinema, theatre, pubs, bars, restaurants, clubs
**** for example via telephone or internet
1 such as anyone instructed to get a flu jab each year


https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults

But most importantly, I think you should primarily take the advice of your missus' GP.

Thank you for the info mate.

 

[Deery]

Kevin Durant - Positive

For real? With his ankle injury that could end his career..

 

[Prometheus]

Kevin Durant - Positive

Now we know how it really started

 

[2cents]

Who??

Someone you don’t know most likely. There are any number of ways it could happen or might already have happened.

I live alone, and I'm facing, if the worse prognoses are to be believed, up to 18 months in a sort of undeserved solitary confinement. In the absence of data that I can trust, I absolutely refuse to accept that. I will of course take precautions to protect myself, and others indirectly, but I will not become a hermit.

What do you mean by ‘undeserved’?

 

[sammsky1]

As i suspected, basically martial law is coming, disguised as ‘convid19’ emergency and Tory Government will use to implement things way out of scope of coping with Convid19.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-it-will-do/what-the-coronavirus-bill-will-do

Same will happen all over the world.

Truly becoming truly an epoch changing event.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

If you're talking about the risk of getting the virus myself - well that's up to me. I'm free to accept or avoid risk as I choose. If I could sign a form to opt out of NHS help should I get covid-19, I'd do so in a heartbeat.

Why would you do that...? Genuine question.

 

[Sweet Square]

Until they ban the pubs from opening people will obviously see it as their own decision whether to go or not.

Yep also there's a good chance lot of people don't know that the government has advised people not to go into pubs(Not everyone is getting updates on twitter).

 

[Prometheus]

China did not isolate itself, they let flights come and go for a while. Or do we ignore that?

The three/four weeks in between the doctor reporting the cases of the outbreak/atypical pneumonia and quarantine doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Until mid January they were still trying to figure out the illness/data. You can't impose such drastic measures without complete and proper information.

 

[TMDaines]

The Irish address by the taoiseach is kinda hitting it home this is bloody massive, like the end of days massive..

Yeah, Ireland and Australia are both making clear we are in for the long haul through summer at least, six months even, if not longer.

 

[Dante]

As i suspected, basically martial law is coming, disguised as ‘convid19’ emergency and Tory Government will use to implement things way out of scope of coping with Convid19.

Same will happen all over the world.

Truly becoming truly an epoch changing event.

Yep.

When this news first started to break, I thought it was going to be a 9/11 level event. Now I think it's going to end up more like a World War Level event.

 

[izec]

Hmmm. I mean, I get it, he feels left high and dry by the EU.

...but why the sudden hard on for China and Xi?

Pretty sure China are investing in Serbia? I think he is desperate for help, so your best bet is China

 

[VorZakone]

God knows what kind of undiscovered viruses are out there in those bat colonies.

Imagine a MERS-like virus with Covid19-transmissibility. Fecking hell.

 

[cyberman]

Thought it was a great speech. Ironically this could turn him into a leader like he’s never been.
Imagine being a new government chucked headfirst into this

Dont think it matters who is in government, they would follow outside advice regardless.
We are all fecked after the recession thats coming, FG havent got the goodwill to spearhead it.

 

[DOTA]

I think @Steerpike is talking a fair amount of shite in places but you can't just dismiss how huge an ask it is to expect retired people who live alone to just stop socialising for months on end, maybe more. Loneliness isn't some marginal concern in our current situation. It's one of the biggest problems we're going to face.

 

[Sarni]

That is terrifying but then again in Italy, China and Korea mortality among under 50s was very very low.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Until they ban the pubs from opening people will obviously see it as their own decision whether to go or not.

At least this one isn't winding us up about teaching our kids tomorrow.

What about those the people in the pub go out and effect?

 

[DOTA]

What about those the people in the pub go out and effect?

That's very bad. The government should ban pubs.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I think @Steerpike is talking a fair amount of shite in places but you can't just dismiss how huge an ask it is to expect retired people who live alone to just stop socialising for months on end, maybe more. Loneliness isn't some marginal concern in our current situation. It's one of the biggest problems we're going to face.

I always presumed you were a young guy, DOTA...

 

[TMDaines]

Exactly what Italy is saying behind closed doors. The EU will face some difficult challenges when this is all over.

Serbia and the EU ain’t particular close at the best of times, despite Serbia being on the long journey to join.

Countries are learning entirely the wrong lessons if they think incidents like this mean less international cooperation and integration. It was a failure of that that got us this far. Viruses don’t respect borders and God help anyone who thinks measuring temperatures at borders is any sort of reliable way for stopping the spread.

 

[RedC]

Who?? I live alone, and I'm facing, if the worse prognoses are to be believed, up to 18 months in a sort of undeserved solitary confinement. In the absence of data that I can trust, I absolutely refuse to accept that. I will of course take precautions to protect myself, and others indirectly, but I will not become a hermit.

You're a bellend.

 

[DOTA]

I always presumed you were a young guy, DOTA...

I'm 30. I meant 'we're going to face' as in, as a society. As a world.

 

[Steerpike]

But it's not just about the people at the pub, they've made their decision yes, but they're not the only ones at risk. What about their familys, friends, people on the street they pass by? What about their choice to not be exposed to extra risk, do they not matter?

If you get admitted to hospital, that's one bed that cant be used for someone else with a life threatening condition, all because you guys cant go that day without a pint?

It's incredibly irresponsible

I obviously don't know your personal circumstances.

Mine are quite simple. I'm a single retired person with, until very recently, an active and multi-dimensional social life. Following the PM's address yesterday, my entire social life disappeared. There isn't a wife at home to keep my spirits up, or such like, so I face this period of potential lockdown alone and I dread it. I was completely happy with the balance I had between a private and social life, and I was able to enjoy the time I spent alone because it was balanced with the time I spent with others. Without that balance, time alone simply becomes loneliness.

It's not that I can't go a day without a pint, it's that I need social interaction. There is a world of difference between 'existence' and 'life', and I'm sure that is something we will all grow to appreciate in the coming weeks.

As I said, I'd happily forego any NHS treatment if that meant that I could proceed with my life with a degree of normality. I'm sure there are plenty of other people of my age who feel likewise (I was talking to a few of them in the pub yesterday). They are also adults, and they made the same choice as I did. I cannot and will not be held accountable for their choices ("What about their familys, friends, people on the street they pass by?").

 

[RedC]

I think @Steerpike is talking a fair amount of shite in places but you can't just dismiss how huge an ask it is to expect retired people who live alone to just stop socialising for months on end, maybe more. Loneliness isn't some marginal concern in our current situation. It's one of the biggest problems we're going to face.

Nobody is dismissing the fact that it's a huge ask, but just brazen ignorance because someone feels like the measures brought on by a worldwide crisis are 'undeserved' is extremely grating. Does he think any of us want to sit at home doing nothing for months?

 

[duffer]

A friend has asked me to go bowling tomorrow night. His reasoning is that there will be nobody there and he needs a night away from the wife and kids before we all get locked down (his wife is getting a similar "night off" from him and the kids tonight).

I can kinda see his logic but will probably pass, those bowling shoes are probably dripping in Covid-19.

 

[Amar__]

Jesus...he's basically holding back tears here. Wow!

He is one of the biggest actors out there, I wouldn't trust him. He is worse than Trump when it comes to interviews.

This is him laughing at the situation on 26th of February(Italy was hit pretty bad back then) with his idiotic past it doctor telling the Serbian people "it's one of the silliest viruses in the entire human history; it's facebook virus. All women should rush to Milano because everything is on sale there these days". He tried to deny the virus because he didn't want to believe that his Chinese investors he made many deals with brought the virus to Europe:




And this is him few days later pretending to be coughing so he can tell his "haters" that it's not a virus, it's just water that made his throat itchy, so he can be in news again:





Edit: I forgot the funniest video, this is him few months ago trying to speak Chinese:

 

[Sweet Square]

Who?? I live alone, and I'm facing, if the worse prognoses are to be believed, up to 18 months in a sort of undeserved solitary confinement. In the absence of data that I can trust, I absolutely refuse to accept that. I will of course take precautions to protect myself, and others indirectly, but I will not become a hermit.

Mate just buy some nice blu rays and some drugs and chill out for a year. Trust me it's great way to waste time.