No idea.
The body representing nursing homes are meeting with the health minister today in advance of specific measures being introduced for that sector, so hopefully that has an impact.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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No idea.
The body representing nursing homes are meeting with the health minister today in advance of specific measures being introduced for that sector, so hopefully that has an impact.
Hearing rumours of a few cases in Wuhan too.
Not that I can see.
In the UK, if a patient gets it they won't take them to hospital as they will just send them straight back. So the staff will treat them with injectables and fluids but won't obviously have ventilators (unless the nursing/care home have them but doubtful), so unless they can fight it on their own they'll be left to die. My Father-in-Law is in a nursing home due to having a couple of really bad strokes and has been in hospital with chest problems a fair few times. I'm dreading it getting in the nursing homes here, it's a ticking time bomb.
Some will, but none of the measures in place anywhere in the world are aimed at completely eliminating reproduction. It is just trying to layer these measures on top of each other to reduce it below 1.
Being slightly picky with this, I thought the germs lasted longer in a hard surface (gloves) for hours but only 5-10 minutes on skin.
It’s more likely people will Keep their disposable gloves on Too long and actually be carrying all kinds of germs and virus on them.
What I’m trying to say is, even though those in The supermarket are wearing gloves I’d say that’s no better THan not wearing gloves, possibly worse.
I put hand gel on before I put the gloves on.
No. He flew back to the US a couple of days ago and is in the same isolation as everybody else.
The most important thing with gloves is to make sure your hands are freshly washed and you haven't touched anything else before putting them on. Most people don't seem to get that they are putting their germs all over the gloves when they put them on..
Thanks, ends on 13 March, be interesting to see the data for upto now, the deaths upto 13 March appear to be average, but that was roughly the start of all this for us?
If everybody puts gloves on when they enter the store the virus doesn't find its way on to the packaging in the first place. It's a barrier between you and whatever you touch, in both directions. Plus, with weird plastic gloves on you are far less likely to touch your face.
By the same logic, why wear gloves at all? Even in a hospital.
Nah, lost it and taking time to get replaced due to the virus. Take 999 calls. M&S have already said they’ll let me in with my blue light card, which is fantastic, but that’s the most expensive one.
I don't think this issue is thought about enough. All very well making a shit-load of ventilators but you might as well be making vacuum cleaners for all the good they'll do without properly trained, qualified personnel to use them.
I'm sure that I've seen some maching that goes into a room and uses UV light to sterilise the whole room in minutes. Did I dream that or is it viable tech? Can UV be made portable and put into devices that can be used widely?
Americans should be listening to him. He and his wife have had it, know it isn't a joke and are now being sensible about staying indoors..
I work in construction and have sites in and around London and the south east. Like many other industries we are in turmoil but we seem to be caught between the devil and the deep blue because we are being encouraged to continue working.
I am receiving emails this morning informing that different sites are both closing and remaining open. One has even closed and then reopened a few days later.
50% of our eastern European workforce, approx. 30 men, flew home 2 weeks ago and we're not sure they'll ever come back. Those that have remained have been travelling into work on busy tube trains and we now have approximately 5 men self isolating. The remaining workforce continues to work in central London but are asking for much more money for all day parking. I have told them I can't afford to pay it (Approx' £25-30 per day par man). I suspect they will try to get back to their countries of origin.
A consultant surveyor I have known and employed for years caught the Virus about two weeks ago and has been in a coma in hospital for ten days. His condition has slowly deteriorated to the point where he now has multiple organ failure.
Many people in the industry in London are either infected or carrying the virus. This should have been stopped weeks ago but the Government failed to act and unbelievably the sites are still open.
It feels like the Government have left us to get infected and to infect others.
I am receiving emails this morning informing that different sites are both closing and remaining open. One has even closed and then reopened a few days later.
50% of our eastern European workforce, approx. 30 men, flew home 2 weeks ago and we're not sure they'll ever come back. Those that have remained have been travelling into work on busy tube trains and we now have approximately 5 men self isolating. The remaining workforce continues to work in central London but are asking for much more money for all day parking. I have told them I can't afford to pay it (Approx' £25-30 per day par man). I suspect they will try to get back to their countries of origin.
A consultant surveyor I have known and employed for years caught the Virus about two weeks ago and has been in a coma in hospital for ten days. His condition has slowly deteriorated to the point where he now has multiple organ failure.
Many people in the industry in London are either infected or carrying the virus. This should have been stopped weeks ago but the Government failed to act and unbelievably the sites are still open.
It feels like the Government have left us to get infected and to infect others.
But it will find its way on the packaging. As soon as that person wearing gloves picks their nose or wipes their mouth or coughs into gloved hand
Gloves may stop you personally getting something on your hands but it sure as shit doesn’t stop the spreading of it
Edit: also, am I right about it lasting Hours or days on hard surfaces (gloves) and only 5-10 minutes on skin. I can’t find where I seen that Info now, there’s so much about.
What’s your thoughts on that
My next door neighbour (who works for the NHS) continues to drive to places to go for walks, despite the fact we live right next to so many great walking locations. She's thick as mince.
That's a shame, he has underlying health issues too.
So lucky to have the wilderness on your doorstepI use single use gloves when I go to buy food. Only so that when I am finished, I take of the gloves and throw them in a bin, and if I then forget myself and touch my eyes (which is an old habbit of mine) then I at least do not have anything on my hands. Other than that, little use for the gloves.
Here in Norway nobody have been able to buy personal PPE or hand sanitizer since this began, it was hoarded in one day and we produce so little ourselves, having outsourced so much of our industries. I think it would have made a huge difference if people could actually get their hands on protective equipment.
For me the only risk is when I go to the supermarket, otherwise many healthcare workers aming my relatives so I do not see my sister or brother etc.
When it comes to the Covid-19 not being airborne. Yes, not airborne. BUT.. it is kind of borne on air. Studys have earlier showed that air in closed small compartments like toilets etc, where an infected has been can be contagious, also that other cases can appear where covid-19 aerosols can be blown up and into the air, from for example a toilet being flushed or other different scenarios. Of course hospitals have the worst of these scenarios with all the respirator equipment and infected patients, but I do think one should be really careful in small shops with air circulation keeping the air moving, or small compartments like small toilet rooms at gas stations and shops.
When it comes to shopping, we all know Covid-19 can survive for a long time on plastic, and most foodproducts are packed in plastic so disinfecting those, especially when living in a really conatimated area, should be done imo. Also fruit. Some people do touch the fruits to turn them over and see if they are rotten or have marks. So I avoid fruits, if they are not packed in bags. In my local shop they now pack oranges in plastic bags to avoid this. Apples though, not, so I have stopped buying them.
I also found out that I am allergic to soap perfumeHad to buy new soap, since all the washing made my hands look like a crater
I am so lucky to live in the outskirts of my town below the forrest and mountain here, so during the summer I am going to spend a lot of time in the wilderness, picking berries and mushrooms and spending a lot of time out in the wild with my son, camping in tent, fishing etc. No people to meet far out in the wilds. Just have to wait for the snow to begone and the temperatures to rise a bit
Nearly all Poles I know who work in UK have now returned home to get free medical help here if needed. They'll stay here until late May at least It kind of annoys me because they are the same people who look down at those living here permanently bragging about their amazing British salaries (usually inflating them by 50% minimum when speaking about it). Now all of a sudden they all feel like they belong here again because their amazing salaries is not enough to afford a basic medical package in England.
Yea totally.
We walked up to the Downs in Bristol yesterday (and do first thing every morning for our exercise) and the vast majority of people were respecting the regulations but there was plenty of police circling around enforcing it. There was numerous people who had driven up and parked up and I saw them catching the owners of the car as they arrived back and it was quite funny listening to them explain that there is literally no excuse that they could come up with to justify it. If you live too far away to walk to the Downs then just walk out your door and do a few laps of the block. It's exercise not a pleasure trip.
There was also a lot of old people who had driven up just so they could sit in their car and read the news paper for a couple of hours. I walked past one as a policeman was asking them to explain where he got his daily newspaper, Costa Coffee and snacks from which made me chuckle.
This is what i was thinking. You would have to take the gloves off and bin them every time you touch something or somethings. Stuff will just build up on the gloves like they would on your skin unless you are changing them repeatedly.
Older doctors should be protecting themselves, I'm seeing a lot of bravado around here, it is endearing, but I question the logic.
In some cases their technical (surgical, invasive maneuvers, etc) expertise is irreplaceable, and there may be no alternative. But in many other cases their brains are far more important than their bodies.
Younger doctors (we're calling first-year residents) would benefit a lot from a direct line to these guys (phone, skype) to ask some pretty basic stuff which elude us. They can be extremely valuable in tele-working.
Plus, there will be a lot of work for them to do when this is over/controlled. Waiting lines for every other kind of health issue will be immense after this and we'll nees everyone we can get.
In some cases their technical (surgical, invasive maneuvers, etc) expertise is irreplaceable, and there may be no alternative. But in many other cases their brains are far more important than their bodies.
Younger doctors (we're calling first-year residents) would benefit a lot from a direct line to these guys (phone, skype) to ask some pretty basic stuff which elude us. They can be extremely valuable in tele-working.
Plus, there will be a lot of work for them to do when this is over/controlled. Waiting lines for every other kind of health issue will be immense after this and we'll nees everyone we can get.
Enjoying the comments here.
Boris Johnson's chief advisor Dominic Cummings self-isolating with Covid-19 symptoms https://jrnl.ie/5061592
Boris Johnson's chief advisor Dominic Cummings self-isolating with Covid-19 symptoms https://jrnl.ie/5061592
I'm confused, EU citizens are entitled to NHS healthcare. Why do they need to fly back home for that?
Don't you have to have any sort of insurance to be entitled to healthcare? I don't really have any idea how it works as I've never work abroad but I've heard this repeated multiple times.
Have we got any food microbiologists here?
This thread is confusing to read through.
This thread is confusing to read through.
Are you sure they live in the UK and not the US?
Why are some people in the UK still not getting this lockdown? The vast majority are but there's some allegedly educated people who seem to think wandering around is acceptable.
I'd suggest getting your ID sorted. The early hours extend to the all emergency services now and think they will start getting more firm with checking as many are still trying to sneak in sadly.
Some stores have tried this here, but health officials have strongly recommended not putting out those gloves. First of all they're not really the kinds of gloves that stop viruses, and secondly if you make everyone touch the same general area to put on plastic gloves (like the box the plastic gloves are in, or something like that), you've just created a hotspot of infection.
It's similar to the reason why they don't recommend regular, healthy people using masks. The thinking is that you probably won't get the actually effective masks, and a significant amount of people will put them on (or take them off) the wrong way, increasing the risk of infection. People will also basically just touch their face more. So the general idea is that even if some use them perfectly, the total infection level in the country will go up.
What every store has at its entrance is some antibac, though, and many strict posters telling people not to touch stuff they're not buying.
Not in the UK, no.
in their 30s?
Ok heres a question for you guys . I,m in a bit of a dilema . Self employed and i work almost exclusively in peoples homes . I,m in a limited company so i qualify for very little help from the government , which is fine , i do understand . Currently the direction from the gov is to carry on work if you cannot work from home . This weeks job has cancelled as a close neighbour to where i was due to be working has cancer and i would have to walk through communal areas ( the apartment i was due to be working in is unnocupied )
Next week my customers are very keen to have me work for them and the two rooms i am working in are also unnocupied , also they have a spare bathroom i could use . The following week i.m due to be working on an outside of a house . Its in a terraced street and the customer is living in scotland for the duration of the pandemic so this house is also empty . Ive spoken to lots of other trades lads that more often than not lone work and they on the whole think we should follow the guidelines and work where possible .
What do you lot think ?
ps for clarity i,m in the UK
Next week my customers are very keen to have me work for them and the two rooms i am working in are also unnocupied , also they have a spare bathroom i could use . The following week i.m due to be working on an outside of a house . Its in a terraced street and the customer is living in scotland for the duration of the pandemic so this house is also empty . Ive spoken to lots of other trades lads that more often than not lone work and they on the whole think we should follow the guidelines and work where possible .
What do you lot think ?
ps for clarity i,m in the UK
See I have a problem, I've decided to live with my mum through this because she was already showing signs of going crazy before the lockdown happened. Where she lives is remote in the countryside but next to a busy road.
If she wants exercise it means having to walk onto the busy road (no pavement) and walk along it for 5/6mins before finally getting to a lane. If she drove for 2minutes she'd be able to walk safely. It's far more dangerous that she walks along said busy road, but the Government and Police demands she does that. The other issue being (i'm a runner) and have noticed far more drivers right now not obeying the laws of the road, they drift all over the road over here going in the middle of the road because they know its not busy anymore.
My mums in tears every morning because of this. I honestly have no idea what to do, at this point for her (and my) sanity i'm thinking i'll have to drive us 2/3mins up the road and if we get a fine, we get a fine. I'm not risking her safety anymore going along the road she is scared of. What do you advise in a situation like that? My neighbour FYI is driving 20minutes to walk his dog in a local park every morning. I'm never going to dob him in because he's a lovely guy, but it seems absurd that our mental health is suffering because of this where others aren't taking the rules seriously.
The discrepancy with Israel is likely due to a much more extensive testing program.
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