I took a pair of clippers to mine last week, couldn't wait any longer!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I took a pair of clippers to mine last week, couldn't wait any longer!
Looks like with the plan Ireland won't fully reopen til October. No surprises there but still fecking depressing to hear.
I"m not saying i disagree with every word of course lockdown can't go on for years but you've covered all the standard fox news tropes in there and many aren't true or helpful:
- Loads already have it anyway - Not true
- Death rate no worse than flu - again not true
- We don't lockdown for car deaths - i suppose that's true at least
- Attack on media for project fear
- Only the elderly- Missing a very big demographic of vulnerable, i have a few friends in this
- Youngsters have irrational fear they'll die - not true for 99% they just identify a collective good.
Number 5 verges on the psychopathic. And goes well into complete cnut territory.
Heard some statistician on the radio say that for most people your chance of dying from Covid 19 is about the same as dying full stop in any given year.
For sure that has to play a role, as will the co-morbidities present in local populations and access to healthcare. Eyeballing this I think the median age in New York is pushing 37/38, which would be younger than the UK and about average for the US in general.
Last week Cuomo came out and said that around 14% of the state's population likely have or had the disease by 24th April. At that point I think the death rate was about 0.11% of the whole population. Assuming the test is accurate this would put the current IFR at just under 0.8% with 2/3 of New York's visible caseload still outstanding. I'm not sure how accurate the test is though. For one thing there's some talk about many people, especially the young, beating the disease without requiring a large number of antibodies. If that's true then the number of New Yorkers silently contracting it would be substantially higher.
Thanks, seems dishonest. Tests should surely only be counted once you have a result.
I don't understand why a government, any government does this kind of thing in regards to anything at all really.
More often than not its found out and the fallout is worse than just being open, honest and truthful in the first place
Yeah makes sense. One to keep an eye on.
Of the countries that have mostly seen off the virus, I've not read strong evidence yet that the fatality rate is significantly below 1%. And as you say NY's rates are high before even accounting for confirmed cases.
I’m so disillusioned with our government right now. I was being lambasted as a Tory for giving them the benefit of the doubt early on, in putting our senior scientists and medical chiefs at the forefront.
Because they have journalists who'll spout their lies for all the world to see and then only clarify the lie weeks later when the fanfare has died down.
I wouldn't be surprised if it took that long but best case scenario with 5 stages * 3 weeks from May 18th is Sep 1st isn't it?
Summary of Ireland's roadmap.
And the full thing below:
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The fallout tends to be amongst those already unlikely to vote for them anyway with those already onside willing to take the lie. Most only see the headline so it does its job amongst everyone else.
I don't really have an issue with the tactic as much as i do that they're bothering to do it during a pandemic. It just feels a bit pathetic and dirty in the same way as Boris trying to claim success the other day. All about context.
I'm going to have a serious fecking head of hair on me by July
What exactly is opening up in Ireland on May 18th? Are restaurants back open? Will the car dealerships be open as i want to buy a new car?
Pretty self explanatory if you look above.
Assuming it all goes to plan. If it doesn't then you'll be rocking the Geldof look by August.
Michael Osterholm was asked by a reporter in America about what we can do to stop a second wave in August. He nearly burst out laughing. He said there is nothing you can do other than shut down the economy which would probably be worst.
Unless we find some treatment we are talking another two waves at least.
He even went so far as to say that even with a treatment you will still have transmission. A vaccine is the only way out of this or else 60 percent of the population get infected.
Unless we find some treatment we are talking another two waves at least.
He even went so far as to say that even with a treatment you will still have transmission. A vaccine is the only way out of this or else 60 percent of the population get infected.
Restaurants/bars/cinemas/gyms will be a while longer
Cheers thanks.
Car dealerships for sales looks like phase 2 (depending on size) or Phase 3
10 of the 14 deaths in Azores all from the same nursing home, the only one so far that has been compromised. That's about 20% of its patients, and a number likely to grow since more than half are infected and all old and frail.
20 quid a pop for 3 uses ? I'll pull my shirt over my face and take my chances thanks.
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While on the one hand that Ireland roap map looks logical, on the other hand, the fact they are hoping to open up work and business fully by October basically means that by next summer Ireland is going to be hitting the third-world-European ranks alongside the likes of Moldova and such.
If this is actually the plans being set out by developed European countries (it isn't, of course - see every other country exiting lockdown as an example) who have an in-context tiny amount of covid-19 deaths, goodbye Europe.
Luckily, this is worst-case-scenario nonsense that will be fast-tracked by a month or two at each stage as it becomes clear that there's no other way but to do so.
If this is actually the plans being set out by developed European countries (it isn't, of course - see every other country exiting lockdown as an example) who have an in-context tiny amount of covid-19 deaths, goodbye Europe.
Luckily, this is worst-case-scenario nonsense that will be fast-tracked by a month or two at each stage as it becomes clear that there's no other way but to do so.
Yep, I'm sticking to my bandanas for the foreseeable and washing them each time I come home. 10 for a fiver. Much better option unless you're splashing on proper top-grade stuff.
That's two people now who have referenced Oct in relation to Ireland.
Am I missing something? From what I've seen the date for the final stage is 10th Aug.
They will keep to the plan unless cases spike and if so they'll revert back to the previous stage.
Based on what the government have said there won't be any considerations beyond saving lives and nothing will be fast-tracked.
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My work came out and said we can work from home if we want until October. Even when/if the government tells us it's ok to go outside again.
Cheers thanks.
That sounds good. They are thinking about their staff.
Mine said working from home will just be an option now where practical, regardless of what happens with the restrictions.
Doesn't matter. Cummings's minions are spamming the Beeb comments so the narrative will be "shut up, they've done it because the numbers say so" now we'll move on and any reference to this failing in the future will be brushed off with some bullshit soundbite. Politicians aren't held to account for feck all nowadays, and they rarely were in the past
To respond:
- We don't know how many people have it, or have had it, especially in the UK since its only in the last couple of weeks people who aren't admitted to hospital could get a test. Deaths are dropping but infections are increasing and I suspect a lot of that is down to increased testing identifying more people. I know one or two people who believe they have had it but didn't even go to their GP. That will not be uncommon. And I didn't say that "loads had had it", I made the point that testing for antibodies in numerous parts of the world, whilst not foolproof in their methodology, or necessarily 100% accurate point to far more people having had it than those diagnosed. That is true, you can look it up online. Its also the case that scientists consider may people are asymptomatic. They may, ultimately prove to be incorrect but you cannot say that it is objectively "not true".
- I didn't say that.
- My point being that we take fairly small risk every day without thinking about it.
- My opinion. Very little coverage of positive developments and over reporting of negative stories, often without proper context.
- My wife is diabetic and falls into that category. She has been told that whilst her risk is increased it is not so to any significant extent and we consider ourselves lucky. She cannot afford to shield herself because of her job but we are as careful as we can be. Some will have to unless and until a vaccine is available but that simply isn't realistic for us all. It would help however, if my wife had to shield further, if I could earn a living to support us.
- You may well be correct but a lot of what i read on social media suggests otherwise to me. Again, a matter of opinion.
For the record, I'm not advocating lock down being lifted next week, or in its entirety anytime soon. I want to see a plan which gives us a road map back to normality so that the right measures are in place, whilst balancing all the other obvious issues that need to be addressed.
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Really? That's interesting.
I must say that I've become quite interested in some of the stats, trying to understand what it means. I look at a Reddit sub (r/COVID19) which is for the scientific discussion and I am very, very out of my depth. It is a more positive place to go however as a lot of people on it are very knowledgeable and it's not just media stories. Some really interesting stuff.
Really? That's interesting.
I must say that I've become quite interested in some of the stats, trying to understand what it means. I look at a Reddit sub (r/COVID19) which is for the scientific discussion and I am very, very out of my depth. It is a more positive place to go however as a lot of people on it are very knowledgeable and it's not just media stories. Some really interesting stuff.
The numbers, when you look at deaths are staggering.
The antibody stuff is fascinating. As I said in a post above I've tried to understand some of the science but it's not my bag!
Isnt that common sense? This wont kill most people, its the vunerable we are protecting.
In general it is. I found it interesting that its the same as dying form anything over the course of a year.