SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Pexbo said:
Language indicative of this government and the British exceptionalism.


That graph was an absolute nonsense. The idea it’s going to be a smooth ride down to step 3 is ridiculous. Steps 1 and 2 will ensure we will see spikes and reverting back to previous phases.
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Jingoism in the absence of substance. If we're still getting 4k infections a day and that's just the ones we know about, that ride downhill may be with no brakes and blindfolded.
 
marktan said:
No, which is what I think people were hoping to hear. Still lockdown outside of household family I believe.
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It’s what I was hoping for yes, strange we could possibly go to the pub before going to family.
 
berbatrick said:
Yes. And not just is it more valuable than life, it is beyond human agency. If it wasn't, you could decide that the population needs x amount of food and other essentials and y amount of consumer goods and tailor production and distribution to match that for the duration of this pandemic, while slowing down o stopping other work.



I've seen that paper before but I'm a little skpetical about this since the great depression death rate (due to things like starvation) did climb up but apparently wasn't recorded properly. of course, that was a prolonged collapse over years.



And from your article:


There is clearly some number of months beyond which a shutdown does more harm than good, but I think we're not close to it yet, and better planning could help extend it.
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The NYT article describes the question as "unsettled" and the Nature article outlines a number of different papers that present different perspectives from different fields so I share the scepticism about any one finding. I think the only reasonable position to take from the information available is that we can't say for certain that economic recessions = more deaths.
 
The best thing to do when you have a simple 5 level alert system in place is to have the very first marker you ever show hovering at 3.5. So it's a 10 level system then?
 
I cannot believe Beth Rigby just said you can “go swimming in an outdoor pond” from Wednesday:lol:
 
Deery said:
Didn’t say anything about visiting family did he?
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I guess if you can both bump into each other at park and sit two meters apart ?
United Hobbit said:
Feels very rushed employers will force staff back
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I have had couple of emails through over the weekend advising to continue working from home for the time being but yeah I can imagine some employers are itching to get going. Just hoping they have made it safe for everyone.
 
He now has to bring this to parliament and fill in all the blanks before we get to see the full plan.

At least when Ireland announced their plan they had a document online within minutes of his speech for everyone to read.
 
Jippy said:
Jingoism in the absence of substance. If we're still getting 4k infections a day and that's just the ones we know about, that ride downhill may be with no brakes and blindfolded.
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It got them elected. If it aint broke....
 
hp88 said:
I guess if you can both bump into each other at park and sit two meters apart ?

I have had couple of emails through over the weekend advising to continue working from home for the time being but yeah I can imagine some employers are itching to get going. Just hoping they have made it safe for everyone.
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Yep mine is itching to get people back he keeps sending video messages and is chomping at the bit to have people back, I'm currently wfh but can see people being forced back into the office
 
PepsiCola said:
The above comes from professors at my medical school and doctors in my family.

It's still a very novel disease. We dont even have a full grasping of its pathology.

Ofcourse the above may not be true but serves to highlight we still dont understand enough about the disease to just "get on with it"
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Oh i absolutely agree that we should not just "get on with it", so like i said i agree with the rest of you post.
And your professors probably knows alot more than me, but there is no evidence anywhere, that i can find atleast, to prove that it can reactivate inside the host. So we should not state that like its a fact.

Skills said:
For now. But life's a lot longer than the last 3 months, and we don't know what the long term implications are of ever having this disease even if you get through the initial infection without any/many symptoms.

If I had children, I definitely would prefer they were in the percentage of people that never caught this at any point irrespective of their current risk profile. Same for my family and friends.
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Thats true, and i would like my children not to catch it also, but for now there is nothing that supports that children get anything else than a mild disease and so far nothing to point to that they get much complications in the future. That might change when we learn more of course, but so far the signs are "good" for children with Covid-19.
 
United Hobbit said:
Yep mine is itching to get people back he keeps sending video messages and is chomping at the bit to have people back, I'm currently wfh but can see people being forced back into the office
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Thing is, you can work from home so keep doing that, if you have been WFH for this long, it's obviously working. Employers who now force WFH workers back are going to be liable if anyone in the office becomes sick.
 
In 12 hours time millions of people may or may not need to go into work...

Considering today’s update has been talked about for weeks, how fecking vague can this man be?
 
United Hobbit said:
Yep mine is itching to get people back he keeps sending video messages and is chomping at the bit to have people back, I'm currently wfh but can see people being forced back into the office
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Unless productivity has dropped for you guys I don't why you would want people back in the office, WFH will be the way forward for so many of us so he / she needs to adapt with the times.
 
One Night Only said:
Thing is, you can work from home so keep doing that, if you have been WFH for this long, it's obviously working. Employers who now force WFH workers back are going to be liable if anyone in the office becomes sick.
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Indeed they should be. If I get forced in I'll try my best to argue it and say I've got the set up now and the advice is to wfh if you can

It feels like they are rushing to satisfy the media. They need to specify businesses that are ok they seem to be allowing people to go back before they issue the guidance document
 
There wasn't any clarity about going back to work where social distancing is an issue. Hairdressing being the obvious one. It just has to be assumed that this is still not permitted - it should have been made clear though but instead he just encouraged everyone to go back to work if they cannot work from home.
 
hp88 said:
Unless productivity has dropped for you guys I don't why you would want people back in the office, WFH will be the way forward for so many of us so he / she needs to adapt with the times.
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Apparently people miss the "office banter" I dont. Not a reason to get people back yet imo or at least give them the option and get back just those furloughed
 
hp88 said:
Unless productivity has dropped for you guys I don't why you would want people back in the office, WFH will be the way forward for so many of us so he / she needs to adapt with the times.
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Always seems like a control thing to me. Our managers have been fair they told us to WFH the week before the govt did and said they will review this at the end of May as the latest stance. Still you know deep down they want us back in as soon as it is realistic.
 
Pretty much seems they want manufacturing and construction to restart.
 
TheGame said:
Yes and that will be the problem. Reciepe for disaster. Not very clear at all. I assume it’s stay as you are and only your own immediate family you live with and not anyone else.
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So people could go to work with questionable hygiene colleagues but not see family...
 
Shakesey said:
My 5 and 4-year-old kids have been stuck indoors for more than a month. On the rare occasions that they do go out they wear masks. They constantly wash hands. For a long time I've believed that young kids developed their immune systems by being exposed to germs. Is this true? And if so, won't that mean mankind is raising a generation of immune-compromised kids?

I'm of course exaggerating here. But if this super hygienic life goes on for a few years then this could become a thing, no?
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George Owen said:
Yes it's true. Kids needs to play with dirt, dirty dogs, etc, to develope a strong immune system.

Those germphobic parents that keep everything ultra super clean, are doing a disservice to their kids immunological system.
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dirt is good!

 
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