Cop in America doing a bad job, again

choiboyx012 said:
This specific incident was a bizarre anomaly. It doesn’t mean that police procedure and law regarding DUI enforcement doesn’t work and needs to be revamped. Maybe it’s not perfect, but it is the way it is, probably to err on the side of safety even if it’s after the fact where no diving was observed.

for those saying it’s better to let him sleep it off or let him uber home etc. I personally wouldn’t mind that IF I was not liable for anything that happens to him afterwards. As it stands the department can get sued and officers can get in trouble if he hurts himself or others due to his intoxication.
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It doesn't really seem like it is an anomaly. You can kind of understand why all of them reacted the way they did.
He should have been arrested imo based on reports of what happened before the filming started but you shouldn't be liable if he was let off with a warning. Liability is probably another unhelpful societal quirk that should be looked at.
 
caid said:
Liability is probably another unhelpful societal quirk that should be looked at.
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Agree with this. Liability and by extension litigation, both in my opinion make the world an overall worse place, especially these days where litigation culture is such a huge thing.
 
Silva said:
was it though, was it really that different to the thousands of other drunks who fight the police every weekend almost everywhere
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Yes it was. It was unusual because he was, although obviously drunk, very cooperative and calm. It was only when he was ultimately being arrested that he escalated it into a full blown fight. And then disarming an officer’s taser, and while running away turning towards the officer and using the weapon on him, ending up with getting shot. I’ve never seen nor heard anything like it.
I’ve been to many drunk calls and if the person is aggressive, they’re usually aggressive from the very start of contact. So you know to prepare to get physical and put hands and cuffs on if need be, or call for backup units if you feel he’s bigger/stronger. Some drunks being arrested might resist or start kicking and screaming, but none in my experience have managed to disarm an officer and use it on him. That’s why i say it’s an anomaly.
 
choiboyx012 said:
I’ve never seen nor heard anything like it.
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it does, situations go from 0-100 all the time and people also steal their guns and their battons and so on, sometimes the police gets them back without killing anyone, sometimes they kill them in a stand off, sometimes they kill them needlessly like in this case, there are hundreds of videos of american police in fights in this thread, and on youtube, liveleak etc. idk what your experience is but i assume you've mostly been called after the drunk is belligerent, i suppose that's the difference but it's not a real one
 
Silva said:
it does, situations go from 0-100 all the time and people also steal their guns and their battons and so on, sometimes the police gets them back without killing anyone, sometimes they kill them in a stand off, sometimes they kill them needlessly like in this case, there are hundreds of videos of american police in fights in this thread, and on youtube, liveleak etc. idk what your experience is but i assume you've mostly been called after the drunk is belligerent, i suppose that's the difference but it's not a real one
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Yea i haven’t worked nights in several years but we get public intoxication calls and several DUIs nightly.
Usually when someone is aggressive (drunk or not) and you think he’s not going to go with the program, it’s better to be safe and call in a backup unit in case it turns into a fight. Brooks showed no indication of being aggressive/combative so maybe the officers didn’t need help. Or they’re bare-bones running short of officers on the shift. Maybe if he was showing verbal or physical cues of being resistive, they would’ve called for a backup unit. Then if Brooks still decided to fight, the 3to4 officers stood a better chance of subduing Brooks into custody without further incident.
 
Suedesi said:
"Block the parking lot". :lol::lol::lol:
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Blocked drive thru at wendys equals hungry customers. Hungry customers equals road rage, which leads to violence, which inevitably leads to bloodshed and/or more lives lost. Cop was looking at bigger picture and should be given an award.
 
Man of Leisure said:
You've repeated your nonsense a couple times now. Go read @Organic Potatoes post earlier in this thread about how DUIs in the US actually work. Regardless of race.
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You don't have pontificate to me about DUI's from across the pond. My point was about police brutality, which is a fact of life in the US. More so against people of color. They did not have to shoot him in the fecking back.
 
choiboyx012 said:
This specific incident was a bizarre anomaly. It doesn’t mean that police procedure and law regarding DUI enforcement doesn’t work and needs to be revamped. Maybe it’s not perfect, but it is the way it is, probably to err on the side of safety even if it’s after the fact where no diving was observed.

for those saying it’s better to let him sleep it off or let him uber home etc. I personally wouldn’t mind that IF I was not liable for anything that happens to him afterwards. As it stands the department can get sued and officers can get in trouble if he hurts himself or others due to his intoxication.
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Fair enough had not taken that into consideration.

I agree its a bizarre anomaly, however, don't think posing the question is harmful.
 
arnie_ni said:
Sorry, are you accusing me of saying he got what he deserved?

I was talking about the drink driving aspect that led to the initial arrest.
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Let's look at the facts:

You have a man who is sleeping in his car, and he is drunk. At this point, the man poses no threat to anybody - cars are driving around, he's not stopping anyone from getting their food. Then armed police go in and wake him up. They didn't find him driving drunk, they found him asleep in his car. Not a crime committed. They converse for 20-30 minutes, he's extremely courteous never swears at no point he raises his voice or pose a threat. He's cooperating, he's accommodating, he offers to walk home.

"Protect and Serve" that's the police motto. Not to write tickets, not to arrest people. Sir, why don't you get in the car, we'll drop you off at your sister, case closed. Everybody goes home.
 
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arnie_ni said:
Sorry, are you accusing me of saying he got what he deserved?

I was talking about the drink driving aspect that led to the initial arrest.
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You may or may not be a bit slow so I'll just state my response to you was to highlight the irony of you accusing me of making something up, just after you yourself, made something up.

At this point in time I believe it's more than clear where I stand, I don't think we need to set the thread back a few pages...

"he got what he deserved"
"what happened was warranted"
"what did he expect to happen?"
"the guys an idiot"
Etc...

You know what I meant you just came at me with the semantics arguement... I didn't (and still don't) think it warranted much of a response.

Suedesi said:
Let's look at the facts:

You have a man who is sleeping in his car, and he is drunk. At this point, the man poses no threat to anybody - cars are driving around, he's not stopping anyone from getting their food. Then armed police go in and wake him up. They didn't find him driving drunk, they found him asleep in his car. Not a crime committed. They converse for 20-30 minutes, he's extremely courteous never swears at no point he raises his voice or pose a threat. He's cooperating, he's accommodating, he offers to walk home.

"Protect and Serve" that's the police motto. Not to write tickets, not to arrest people. Sir, why don't you get in the car, we'll drop you off at your sister, case closed. Everybody goes home.
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In the video I saw you can hear the bystanders asking why he had to shoot, and saying how unnecessary it was...
 
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arnie_ni said:
Sorry, are you accusing me of saying he got what he deserved?

I was talking about the drink driving aspect that led to the initial arrest.
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Nah. It's what he does. He gives ambiguous answers in order to save face when he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
 
Wait, he was drunk sleeping and not drunk driving?

Good Lord from George Floyd to today we had an extra dozen cop brutality captured on video, amidst the biggest westernworldwide protest, it's as if the cops don't give a feck at all.
 
choiboyx012 said:
Yea i haven’t worked nights in several years but we get public intoxication calls and several DUIs nightly.
Usually when someone is aggressive (drunk or not) and you think he’s not going to go with the program, it’s better to be safe and call in a backup unit in case it turns into a fight. Brooks showed no indication of being aggressive/combative so maybe the officers didn’t need help. Or they’re bare-bones running short of officers on the shift. Maybe if he was showing verbal or physical cues of being resistive, they would’ve called for a backup unit. Then if Brooks still decided to fight, the 3to4 officers stood a better chance of subduing Brooks into custody without further incident.
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There were 2 cops versus a drunk guy. A drunk person by definition is not rational. The sober cops should have used restraint. The onus of rationality should lie with the sober cops x2 not the drunk guy. Being drunk should not equate being dead.

*And I don't even drink, so don't take this condoning drinking.
 
ivaldo said:
Nah. It's what he does. He gives ambiguous answers in order to save face when he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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You're a strange one, always trying to catch me out on something, like this an exercise in debating... Trying to make out I'm scheming. Don't seem to have a problem with that poster making something up though do you?
 
afrocentricity said:
You're a strange one, always trying to catch me out on something, like this an exercise in debating... Trying to make out I'm scheming. Don't seem to have a problem with that poster making something up though do you?
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Oh so now you want to discuss? When it was about the topic in this thread, you just wanted to make offhand comments about me...
 
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Suedesi said:
There were 2 cops versus a drunk guy. A drunk person by definition is not rational. The sober cops should have used restraint. The onus of rationality should lie with the sober cops x2 not the drunk guy. Being drunk should not equate being dead.

*And I don't even drink, so don't take this condoning drinking.
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Exactly.

That shooting was the picture perfect description of "Unjustified use of deadly force".

And some in here thinks the copper will sue for illegal termination. :wenger:
 
Suedesi said:
There were 2 cops versus a drunk guy. A drunk person by definition is not rational. The sober cops should have used restraint. The onus of rationality should lie with the sober cops x2 not the drunk guy. Being drunk should not equate being dead.

*And I don't even drink, so don't take this condoning drinking.
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Huh? It wasn’t the cops who didn’t show restraint (up until the shooting) or escalated anything. It’s Brooks who decided to resist a lawful arrest, fight, steal a weapon, runaway, and attempt to shoot the taser at the officer. It isn’t being drunk that he’s dead. It’s the rest of the above you conveniently left out, which led to the officer making an instinctive split-second decision to shoot/not shoot in a high-stress unpredictable situation. Cop made the wrong decision but he’s only reacting to Brooks’ multiple violent actions committed just seconds beforehand.
 
Suedesi said:
You don't have pontificate to me about DUI's from across the pond. My point was about police brutality, which is a fact of life in the US. More so against people of color. They did not have to shoot him in the fecking back.
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Well, I think we're on the same side of the pond if your location tag is right. And since your comments clearly indicate you don't understand what a DUI is or what the laws are, thought I'd be helpful. As for the cop shooting him in the back, I think everyone in this thread is in agreement that didn't need to happen nor did Brooks "deserve" to die.
 
Suedesi said:
"Protect and Serve" that's the police motto. Not to write tickets, not to arrest people. Sir, why don't you get in the car, we'll drop you off at your sister, case closed. Everybody goes home.
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This literally never, ever happens so I don't know why you keep bringing this up. The police aren't uber ffs.
 
Suedesi said:
There were 2 cops versus a drunk guy. A drunk person by definition is not rational. The sober cops should have used restraint. The onus of rationality should lie with the sober cops x2 not the drunk guy. Being drunk should not equate being dead.

*And I don't even drink, so don't take this condoning drinking.
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Also, the issue here, if reports are true, is homelessness. Locking up homeless people isn't the solution. Providing them with affordable housing is.
 
Man of Leisure said:
This literally never, ever happens so I don't know why you keep bringing this up. The police aren't uber ffs.
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The man was driving while under the influence, passed out at a drive tru and staff were unable to wake him. He then resisted arrest, stole an officers taser and fired it at the police. But yeah, the coppers should have just tucked him up in bed somewhere; he seems like he was in a great frame of mind! A man who is likely already wary of possible discrimination is just going to hop into the coppers car and ride away with them...


You'll have certain posters desperate to conflate the actions before and after they attempt the arrest in order to push further blame onto policing where it simply isn't needed of warranted. He wasn't shot because he was arrested, much in the same way he wasn't shot because he was drinking and driving. He was shot because he resisted arrest, assaulted an officer and then the officer made the hideous and inexcusable decision to draw his gun and shoot.
 
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choiboyx012 said:
Huh? It wasn’t the cops who didn’t show restraint (up until the shooting) or escalated anything. It’s Brooks who decided to resist a lawful arrest, fight, steal a weapon, runaway, and attempt to shoot the taser at the officer. It isn’t being drunk that he’s dead. It’s the rest of the above you conveniently left out, which led to the officer making an instinctive split-second decision to shoot/not shoot in a high-stress unpredictable situation. Cop made the wrong decision but he’s only reacting to Brooks’ multiple violent actions committed just seconds beforehand.
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It's crazy because when I think about the stuff that I've done when pissed up. It's kinda unreasonable to put blame on him reacting unpredictably as the cause of death. But that's my opinion... It's played a part sure but the police officer takes the majority of the blame for me.

Man of Leisure said:
This literally never, ever happens so I don't know why you keep bringing this up. The police aren't uber ffs.
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They aren't killers either are they? I know what option sounds best even if it does leave an officer feeling like an Uber. I'm not even saying the cops should drop him home, it's just not as ridiculous a suggestion as some of you make it sound. Bearing in mind we are now talking about a death, a charge, and all of the fallout that entails...
 
Grinner said:
What's the difference of posting this and posting that a victim of a police shooting has a long rap sheet to make them look bad?
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We expect that police forces have controls and oversight in place to keep problem officers away from public interaction?
 
Grinner said:
What's the difference of posting this and posting that a victim of a police shooting has a long rap sheet to make them look bad?
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One is a police officer? That probably should not have a gun on the street with that type of record...
 
afrocentricity said:
It's crazy because when I think about the stuff that I've done when pissed up. It's kinda unreasonable to put blame on him reacting unpredictably as the cause of death. But that's my opinion... It's played a part sure but the police officer takes the majority of the blame for me.
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“Reacting unpredictably” is really downplaying it. He wasn’t even passively resisting. His actions were downright aggressive and dangerous. He already showed by assaulting the officers and using a weapon against them that he would do anything to escape custody. I hate to think what he would’ve done if he took the officer’s gun. I don’t know how you are when you’re piss drunk, but do you honestly see yourself capable doing the things Brooks did? Unpredictable is one thing, but this is way more than that IMO. Ultimately he pulled that trigger so if you think he takes the majority of blame then fair enough, although i disagree.
 
Cassidy said:
One is a police officer? That probably should not have a gun on the street with that type of record...
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Not to mention that his question compared a cop killing someone to the victim of police brutality.

“What’s the difference between highlighting a shit cop who murdered someone has a history of brutality and pointing at irrelevant history of a murder victim?”

I mean for feck sake.
 
Grinner said:
What's the difference of posting this and posting that a victim of a police shooting has a long rap sheet to make them look bad?
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Call me crazy but I think police should be held to a certain standard.
 
choiboyx012 said:
“Reacting unpredictably” is really downplaying it. He wasn’t even passively resisting. His actions were downright aggressive and dangerous. He already showed by assaulting the officers and using a weapon against them that he would do anything to escape custody. I hate to think what he would’ve done if he took the officer’s gun. I don’t know how you are when you’re piss drunk, but do you honestly see yourself capable doing the things Brooks did? Unpredictable is one thing, but this is way more than that IMO. Ultimately he pulled that trigger so if you think he takes the majority of blame then fair enough, although i disagree.
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I hear you, but I recall starting a fight with a bouncer twice my size, and driving a moped of a cliff into the sea... You can do things you'd never normally do when you're drunk is all I'm saying. I'm not trying to downplay anything.... and as I said earlier, in the video I watched the bystanders seem to think that the cop overreacted. We are just here judging from video...
 
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