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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Still seems higher than I anticipated it would be at this stage (in terms of deaths at least ) but glad to see the death toll is going down slowly.
It aint over yet.......
16 friends test positive for coronavirus after an outing at a Florida bar
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/group-tests-positive-florida-bar/index.html
16 friends test positive for coronavirus after an outing at a Florida bar
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/group-tests-positive-florida-bar/index.html
Weren't the numbers still going up when they reopened in parts of the US?
Yes, that’s why they’re spiking now. Several places are hitting their highest number of cases even when accounting for increased testing. It is happening all across the southern half of the US.
We’re trying to make sure Brazil doesn’t pass us in numbers or incompetence; we have to be the best at everything.
That's good. Nice one
This surge in southern/hot regions is the final nail in the coffin of the idea that warm weather would be the undoing of the virus.
I am from Chennai, India which is an extremely hot place. It's usually in the high 90s here in the summer which extends into June. The virus has been spreading quite rapidly. We have a population of 7 million and have 35,000 confirmed cases, and adding 1300 a day. It's one of the worst hit cities in India - I don't think the weather thing is true.
I believe it is, and in addition the places in question range from sub-tropical forest/coastal humidity to semi-arid. Thus, there is little to no evidence of a correlation to humidity either like some think might influence common viruses.
At this rate we won’t see a ‘second wave’ here, it will be a plateau that rises again when they re-open bars, schools, and football stadiums towards the end of summer. I try not to fear monger, but this aspect of the virus scares me a bit for my country where wearing a mask can make you a target for abuse.
Fecking hell, just read this. Cant believe people are actually this braindead and willing to risk lives like that
Joe Rogan has a lot to answer for!
Dumb fecks volunteering for the herd immunity option. When a few of their elderly/sick relatives snuff it due to their selfishness they will probably be all tears.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...tion-for-about-a-year-says-drugmaker-12007789
So first I've seen of this. Chief exec of AstraZeneca (who are producing the Oxford vaccine) are saying it will only provide protection for a year. So it may not be the magic bullet that people hoped. Furthermore, they are now saying potentially October rather than September
So first I've seen of this. Chief exec of AstraZeneca (who are producing the Oxford vaccine) are saying it will only provide protection for a year. So it may not be the magic bullet that people hoped. Furthermore, they are now saying potentially October rather than September
That sounds good to me. Also, given the noises about old cold viruses giving partial protection, could there be some ongoing protection that's less than full immunity after a year? That way annual boosters could be prioritized for the elderly and vulnerable, with 2 or 3 yearly cycles for the rest.
You’d imagine so. “About a year” is a movable feast. It’s not like you‘ll get to 364 days, then lose immunity overnight.
As with all vaccines, it’s getting it into people that will be the challenge. If you could create a vaccine that gives 100% immunity and give it to everyone then you could eradicate the virus from your country completely even if it only made you immune for a few months.
Apart from countries where it’s got a foothold in bats etc. anyway. The fact this virus can live in animals makes complete eradication pretty much impossible.
I hope they all got run over by buses. Utter fecking cnuts.
It won't need to get to everyone immediately.
The right number of doses in the right places will in itself make a hell of a difference.
Governments could make it a mandatory shot to take when leaving or entering a country, the onus could be placed on the travel companies to ensure passengers have had there shots by the passenger having a stamp or an electronic stamp on there passports.
Australia is unlikely to allow international travel barring maybe with NZ until 2021. Looks like I won't be seeing the offspring any time soon 
Thats a bummer Wibble, hope some sort of solution appears to change thatAustralia is unlikely to allow international travel barring maybe with NZ until 2021. Looks like I won't be seeing the offspring any time soon
We are currently banned from international travel so I doubt we can go out to California and even if we could we would have to do 2 weeks quarantine when we came back. He could come home but would then have to do 2 weeks quarantine and probably wouldn't be allowed out again. Not seeing him in person for over a year will be a bit shit but what can you do?
Surely the best thing to do would be to get it out in care homes first.
Then roll it out to everyone else on the flu jab register.
I was kind of talking about after that in the eradication process and prevention process, that will force anti vaxers to get the jab if they want to enter or exit the country, make it mandatory especially on island nations like ours where where it should be possible to regulate that
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Anti vaxers make up a small proportion of society. Plus I wonder how many will change their views of a Vivid vaccine means they keep their job etc. |
Speaking of vaccines...
His stupidity has no limits. It’s behind embarrassing. To think he is the face of America and apparent leader of the free world.
Pretty interesting article and stats on excess deaths during the Coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53073046
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53073046
I remember the assertion on here that it was the wildlife and not the general unsanitary conditions in wet markets that caused the virus outbreak. The latest cluster in Beijing has occurred in a market with no wildlife section:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...oronavirus-cases-rise-137-restrictions-return
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...oronavirus-cases-rise-137-restrictions-return
They have found pretty clear evidence that people with severe Covid-19 have a change of getting brain damage from it.
Sorry for link only in swedish.
https://sahlgrenska.gu.se/forskning...en-pa-hjarnskada-vid-svar-covid-19.cid1689236
Sorry for link only in swedish.
https://sahlgrenska.gu.se/forskning...en-pa-hjarnskada-vid-svar-covid-19.cid1689236
It's a depressing story. I think some people initially had the vague hope that, "they were going to die this month anyway, it just changed the wording of the death certificate."
The other idea in the UK was that perhaps we weren't one of the worst hit, perhaps it was just that our government was being "too honest." Turns out we seem to be one of the worst at counting as well.
Ultimately though it's a reminder of the sheer death toll around the world. Italy have some excuse, it came to them early and fast, and Spain were only a few days behind.
The UK though? We had at least two weeks warning (actually more, but the earliest warnings from China may have been played down in memory of SARS1, MERS etc that didn't really impact Europe) and most of our early infection chains came in from Italy/Spain. Not much time to act, but when the PL reacts faster than the government, you've got to see incompetence or something worse.
It's most likely neither. These markets are hubs because there is a large concentration of people, the virus doesn't have to come from the market for the market to be the center of the outbreak, it just needs one person, probably a seller/producer, to be infected. These markets are everywhere and pretty much the norm in most poor countries and you don't actually see that many virus outbreaks linked with them.
SARS 1 was traced back to Civet cats being sold in a wet market and SARS 2 was definitely present in the Pangolins being sold in Wuhan, with a high probability it first made the jump to humans from there.
Yep. You’re right. I’d got my version from family in Auckland. They’ve walked it back since and more details have made it look a whole lot slacker.
It’s a good wake up call for them. They e reacted instantly to it which is good.
Was it? I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere? Do you have a source?
No it wasn't, we have no knowledge of that. The link to Pangolins had nothing to do with the market, it's simply that we know that Pangolins and Civets in the wild are often carriers of viruses that originate from bats because they sometimes eat fruits that are partially eaten by bats. Some people read that and made up their own version of the events, some first misunderstood and claimed that it was due to people eating bats and then they went to Pangolins.
Sweden's rise in cases might be increased testing but they recently posted 100 deaths at this stage. We'll see in the coming days and weeks if there's a rise or sideways continuation. 100 deaths would be like 670 for UK per capita.
Still, we don't know if this will be with us for years to come, how good medicines and vaccines will be. The by product of herd immunity could be helpful and looks to be already in New York.
Still, we don't know if this will be with us for years to come, how good medicines and vaccines will be. The by product of herd immunity could be helpful and looks to be already in New York.
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We don't know, if anything the market is most likely not the source since people that had no link to it, got the virus in different regions. As for Pangolins they are simply a suspect because they are known to be one of the intermediary species when it comes to infections from bat originating viruses to humans.
Editl: I seem to remember that pigs and swines are an other option.
Initially China said they had tested various points and species within the market and found the virus present in animals including pangolins. They later retracted that and said only that they found it in points within the wildlife area of the market. If you know China at all, once they start retracting and changing stories is the point you can't trust anything further. At this point nobody really knows but pangolins are a prime suspect.