To be fair, with a strategy as radially different as Swedens, you have no choice but to wait til its all done and dusted before comparing. If they do reach a point where herd immunity is a factor, say, 12 months before a vaccine arrives, then they could be looking at a lower total number of total deaths as a result. They might also face less disruption to both lifestyle and the economy between now and then. I'm not advocating it btw, just making the point.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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To be fair, with a strategy as radially different as Swedens, you have no choice but to wait til its all done and dusted before comparing. If they do reach a point where herd immunity is a factor, say, 12 months before a vaccine arrives, then they could be looking at a lower total number of total deaths as a result. They might also face less disruption to both lifestyle and the economy between now and then. I'm not advocating it btw, just making the point.
Not Pangolins, it has actually been reported that they don't sell live pangolins there and that nowadays they are a rarity anyway. What you saw is something else which isn't actually better, in the mammals area they allegedly found that 90% of mammals were infected. Keep in mind that almost all of these were farm animals not wildlife.
My guess is that the source of the virus is a farm because we have recent cases of pigs and swines being infected by coronaviruses in China and that farm may have sold its products in the market.
I think science is moving towards proof that Pangolin's were at least involved genetically now, but as you say where the virus was spread from is a mystery and will probably remain so. There could be multiple hosts and it only went through Pangolin's at some stage.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200529161221.htm
"In our study, we demonstrated that indeed SARS-CoV-2 has a rich evolutionary history that included a reshuffling of genetic material between bat and pangolin coronavirus before it acquired its ability to jump to humans,"
I already mentioned that, it's not new and that's why they were mentioned in the first place. Not because of the wet markets.
That doesn't mean pangolins were the intermediate host. It just means they could be.
Indeed, that's why I mentioned there could be multiple hosts within the evolution of the virus.
There is a continuous decline in Sweden. Look at ICU numbers from here: https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/corona-i-intensivvarden/Sweden's rise in cases might be increased testing but they recently posted 100 deaths at this stage. We'll see in the coming days and weeks if there's a rise or sideways continuation. 100 deaths would be like 670 for UK per capita.
Still, we don't know if this will be with us for years to come, how good medicines and vaccines will be. The by product of herd immunity could be helpful and looks to be already in New York.
It is a bit boring you keep going on about this, when there are much better sources than worldometers, and those have been pointed out to you. And looking at daily deaths from Sweden is pointess the way they report it.
God, I sound like RAB. At least I didn't think 26% of Stockholm had it on 1.5. The antibody test from 11.5.-17.5. had Stockholm at 10%. Tegnell can't count.
Pangolins were definitely on the list of items documented at the market.
Anyway, where Covid originally came from is not really the point i was making. I was commenting that the markets have again contributed to the spread of a virus, and this time in Beijing there is no wildlife at all there. It's the filthy, cramped conditions inside.
Keep going on about it?
I've only asked the question regarding an uptick of cases posted 5 days ago and mentioned 100 deaths today and said we'll have to see. No need to be so touchy.
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This is a really important point. People seem to be making judgements now but only have the evidence up to this point from which to base their opinions. If we were to have judged all nations based on data up to the end of January, it would be China = bad, everyone else = good. Mid June, the assessment seems to be Aus/NZ = good, UK, USA and Sweden = bad.
We really need to reserve the final reckoning and judgement to way after the pandemic is over as you alluded to.
And people are comparing countries with totally different contexts. The US and the UK are global hubs, the amount of initial contacts with the virus isn't comparable to Aus/NZ who are by nature relatively insulated. I mentioned it several times but people just have to look at how the virus moved within borders, it doesn't magically appears and easily spread in remote areas. At some point people and the experts that are on social medias need to think in a more intelligent way, there is no point comparing the incomparable.
Unless we never get a vaccine the June view is about right.
Interesting to see this report coming out on the risks and impacts around allowing children to get back out and playing. It certainly feels like this should have been a higher priority than reopening Primark.
http://www.playscotland.org/resources/covid19-and-play-report/
http://www.playscotland.org/resources/covid19-and-play-report/
Children don't vote
We've never had restrictions on exercise, which by assumption include playing?
What if we have to wait 3 years for a vaccine? Or 5? Or 10?
I agree with his general point. It’s far too early to decide which country will have weathered the pandemic the best when we look back on this in a few years time. And it’s definitely possible that countries who seem to have done brilliantly until now are creating a long term nightmare, while other countries might have (albeit, for some of them, accidentally) an approach that will be more successful in the long term.
GOP sheriff who refused to enforce lockdown says he got COVID-19 at campaign event
Sturgeon really is a tit. Sick of her fear mongering negativity. Zero leadership. We'll be staying indoors in full isolation in Scotland until a full review into paper cuts and cat allergies has been completed in 2035.
5 or 10 years is almost the same as never really. I'd now be really suprised if we don't have a vaccine by late this year although how fast it can be manufactured and distributed is a complicating factor.
Playgrounds are padlocked shut, kids are still largely being kept away from school, and aren't allowed to get together to play in a group of more than 6 (which is 3 really when you account for their parents needing to be there).
I’d say that’s more than just a complicating factor. It’s the single biggest challenge in using a vaccine to end this pandemic.
Which is quite something, considering the huge challenge we face in finding a vaccine that is safe and effective in the first place!
This seems to suggest they're planning to deliver a couple of billion units by the end of the year (assuming the trials are a success). I have no idea if that's really feasible, but I would have thought if anyone can, someone like AZ can. Those numbers are mind blowing.
https://www.cityam.com/astrazeneca-to-supply-europe-with-400m-doses-of-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine/
You've been calling it fear mongering from the start to be fair. Over in a month..just a flu.
It's not the ideal, but it's not as the disaster level that the report portrays. You don't need a playground to entertain children though.
I’d argue that continuing with restrictions is understandably an unpopular move and showing strong leadership if anything.
I’d kill for Sturgeon as the PM.
Thanks for the parenting advice. The point of the report is that we're restricting the things children can do, impacting their health and emotional development, and the justifications for doing that are weak at best.
I totally agree.
The point i'm getting at is it's not telling us anything that isn't known already? Restricting everything has some form of impact on everyone. In other news, water is wet.
I'm not sure if you're willfully missing the point that this is specific to children, and can't be waved away as "water is wet"?
We restrict the activity of the elderly, because there's a good chance that they will die if they catch the virus. We restrict the activity of adults generally because they clearly catch and spread the virus at quite a rate. We restrict the activity of children, arguably even more so than adults, despite the evidence they they're much less likely to catch, pass on, or suffer particularly from the virus.
Essentially, the restrictions we put in place should have a justification. And for children, specifically, they don't seem to have that justification.
Mon Thur 590 so far, this time last week 737
I've got the point - i don't agree with it. My point, is restrictions have affected everyone, children included, more so because the adults caring for them have been restricted.
The logic would suggest that children will be affected as their main source of care is affected. So a report coming to the conclusion that children have been affected, feels to me like pointing out the obvious? Unless PlayScotland thinks that children can mind themselves whilst they're playing?
Their view on releasing restrictions, means that releasing restrictions on adults would of had to have happened. There's no logic in it that approach. Or should we just assume a children's play charity will come out with an impartial view on a report?
Has he still got an Amstrad with a bubble screensaver?
Honestly had no idea that screensavers we’re still a thing.
Ironically, Sugar looks older & more unwell than I've ever seen him before.
We are winning. Slowly but surely. Most people are sticking to the rules and doing what they need to do in order to protect the ones they love.
Would be funny if we weren't so tragic.
I think @Regulus Arcturus Black predicted exactly this. At least that’s entirely the opposite of what I took from his posts. Alas “it’s too early to judge” or something.