SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Wolverine]

Tested negative! Just goes to show that migraines and kids getting temperatures from either teething or ear infections can also be a pain but just as common.
Was impressed with the home testing kit though, a bit fiddly to register. Not fun trying to swab a cranky one year old but way better than if it was in a car seat after a long drive. But kit got here within a day, courier picked up next day then results within 24 hours or so.

 

[massi83]

That would make sense if we weren’t the only country in the world not to be held hostage by our government

I think he’s liked here because he’s delivered on his promise that we could flatten the curve without lockdown. His other claim, that lockdown countries are “just kicking the can down the road” can’t be proven wrong or right until probably early 2021, I’m sure he’ll get a lot of shit then if proven wrong.
For anyone not living in Stockholm it has been proven without any doubt that a full lockdown for every other county in the country would’ve been absolutely ridiculous and meaningless when you look at the stats.

It's better to make a new post rather than edit 40mins later, if you want me to see it.

None of the nordic countries have had a full lockdown. Testing and contact tracing was a travesty in Sweden for a long time.

 

[Kopral Jono]

I don't get why wearing masks is being politicised in the Anglosphere, especially in the United States. I know they value individual freedom, liberty and other libertarian nonsense highly but this takes the cake. Really? During a pandemic that has cost the lives of more than a hundred thousand of their fellow countrymen in just a bit over three months? I just don't get it.

 

[Kag]

That letter is really disconcerting, I wonder what they were seeing then that bothered them.

I remember watching the anti-flu public health ads earlier this year before the whole covid thing kicked off (complete with handwashing advice etc), but I'm not really sure exactly when they started airing - nor do I remember them in previous years but maybe that's just my selective memory kicking in. It would be interesting to put a timeline on those, if anyone knows.

Anecdotal evidence: I’d never seen illness in a school setting as widespread as it was in December of last year. Neither had my colleagues, many of whom have been teaching significantly longer than I have. At one point in the month, a third of my class were absent and we were cancelling staff meetings and assemblies to limit transmission. Schools were like this all over the UK.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

I don't get why wearing masks is being politicised in the Anglosphere, especially in the United States. I know they value individual freedom, liberty and other libertarian nonsense highly but this takes the cake. Really? During a pandemic that has cost the lives of more than a hundred thousand of their fellow countrymen in just a bit over three months? I just don't get it.

You have to keep in mind you’re talking about a segment of the population that still thinks the pandemic is just cover for a power grab by the liberals and the death totals are being boosted by shady accounting (when they’re actually far too low).

 

[buchansleftleg]

Anecdotal evidence: I’d never seen illness in a school setting as widespread as it was in December of last year. Neither had my colleagues, many of whom have been teaching significantly longer than I have. At one point in the month, a third of my class were absent and we were cancelling staff meetings and assemblies to limit transmission. Schools were like this all over the UK.

Yes I'd second that. My daughter's class was at about 50% full in mid December.

At the time we thought it was the flu. It was expected to be a bad flu season though because Australia had a bad season and that usually is an indicator of how bad the flu season will be in UK.

Will be interested to see if this was Covid or not.

 

[F-Red]

My other half had an antibody test done through her work on Wednesday and the results came back as negative yesterday, good to know that we've not had it.

 

[massi83]

Yes I'd second that. My daughter's class was at about 50% full in mid December.

At the time we thought it was the flu. It was expected to be a bad flu season though because Australia had a bad season and that usually is an indicator of how bad the flu season will be in UK.

Will be interested to see if this was Covid or not.

It obviously wasn't covid.

 

[africanspur]

I don't get why wearing masks is being politicised in the Anglosphere, especially in the United States. I know they value individual freedom, liberty and other libertarian nonsense highly but this takes the cake. Really? During a pandemic that has cost the lives of more than a hundred thousand of their fellow countrymen in just a bit over three months? I just don't get it.

I don't think its really being politicised in the Anglosphere at all tbh. I haven't seen much politicisation of the issue in the UK, Canada, NZ or Australia (in the sense of one party/ political wing taking umbrage at being asked to wear one). If I'm driving/ cycling around London at the moment, I look in to buses and pretty much everyone is wearing a mask. Supermarkets, the streets in general, a very reasonable number of people are wearing masks.

The USA is of course a wholly different matter.

 

[africanspur]

I think it’s possible to be immune despite not having any IgG actually circulating in your bloodstream. Long term immunity is about being able to rapidly produce the necessary Ig’s, rather than having them constantly in your blood. I’m not sure though. I feel a bit embarrassed that I don’t know for certain. I probably should

@africanspur
@Arruda

Help a brother out!

There are little bits of immunology flashing around in my brain right now from years and years and years ago but not enough to confidently answer the question sorry . Any answer I could give would be very out of date too I'd imagine!

 

[Stanley Road]

NL averaged 4.5 deaths over the last 7 days but new cases hover around 90 per day. It just wont go away, not had a single day of 0 deaths

 

[redshaw]

891 This week Mon-Sat

1120 Last week Mon-Sat

 

[SteveJ]

I remember the times when a politician couldn't even have an affair without being hounded into resignation; now they can lie for months about thousands of deaths they had a direct hand in causing, our performing clown of a Prime Minister jauntily talks of 'flattening the sombrero', yet there's not a bloody peep of 'Resign!' in our newspapers...


Nearly 1,500 deaths in one day: UK ministers accused of downplaying Covid-19 peak
Official toll passed a thousand on 22 consecutive days – far more than daily briefings said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...k-ministers-accused-downplaying-covid-19-peak

 

[FireballXL5]

I remember the times when a politician couldn't even have an affair without being hounded into resignation; now they can lie for months about thousands of deaths they had a direct hand in causing, our performing clown of a Prime Minister jauntily talks of 'flattening the sombrero', yet there's not a bloody peep of 'Resign!' in our newspapers...


Nearly 1,500 deaths in one day: UK ministers accused of downplaying Covid-19 peak
Official toll passed a thousand on 22 consecutive days – far more than daily briefings said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...k-ministers-accused-downplaying-covid-19-peak

Rest assured everyone in the government now will be rewarded with knighthoods and peerages.

 

[VP89]

I remember the times when a politician couldn't even have an affair without being hounded into resignation; now they can lie for months about thousands of deaths they had a direct hand in causing, our performing clown of a Prime Minister jauntily talks of 'flattening the sombrero', yet there's not a bloody peep of 'Resign!' in our newspapers...


Nearly 1,500 deaths in one day: UK ministers accused of downplaying Covid-19 peak
Official toll passed a thousand on 22 consecutive days – far more than daily briefings said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...k-ministers-accused-downplaying-covid-19-peak

The whole legal system is a joke in this country to be honest. There is absolutely no consequence for breaking the law, as seen with Borris and Cummings. Or with blatant lies, and misleading the public.

 

[sammsky1]

My stance hasn’t changed at all, lots of people will die from this around the World until a vaccine is found. Sweden was never going to get overwhelmed and never came close, we now are close to under 200 people in ICU; that was always my biggest argument and that it wouldn’t spread like wildfire around such a massive country with a small population (it’s still Stockholm that has the vast majority of deaths and cases).
Cities that has tonnes of virus circulating early March were fecked regardless (Stockholm, London, Belgium, New York etc etc). Cities that didn’t (like the case of Malmö still) will probably get a big dose in the autumn instead.
I have never claimed that people wouldn’t die, quite the opposite

why?

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Anecdotal evidence: I’d never seen illness in a school setting as widespread as it was in December of last year. Neither had my colleagues, many of whom have been teaching significantly longer than I have. At one point in the month, a third of my class were absent and we were cancelling staff meetings and assemblies to limit transmission. Schools were like this all over the UK.

This past season particularly affected children. It was the worst flu season for kids in a decade, but not overall when including adults.

2019-2020 Flu season

 

[sammsky1]

If it was concluded that covid19 spreads easily between people less than 2m apart, can someone please explain why that can suddenly become 1m?

Has covid19 became weaker? I really don't get it, from a science point of view.

 

[SteveJ]

I realise it's likely a crass comparison, but realising it doesn't make this (literally) inappropriate, I feel:

The government's insistence that all is well, and their grim determination to get us back to the shops and to work, potentially bears similarity with people being pushed into gas chambers disguised as shower rooms.

 

[lynchie]

I realise it's likely a crass comparison, but realising it doesn't make this (literally) inappropriate, I feel:

The government's insistence that all is well, and their grim determination to get us back to the shops and to work, potentially bears similarity with people being pushed into gas chambers disguised as shower rooms.

This would be about right if only 1 in 2000 of the showers was actually gas, and the gas was only deadly to 1 in 100 people. And the gas chambers were actually supporting the economy to ensure we could continue to get essential services.

 

[0le]

If it was concluded that covid19 spreads easily between people less than 2m apart, can someone please explain why that can suddenly become 1m?

Has covid19 became weaker? I really don't get it, from a science point of view.

See my post here:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/sar...illiness-or-memes-please.452816/post-25610791

1m will have a higher risk. However the the increase in the risk may not be so large as to be significant. It is largely guess work. Really you just want to avoid the situation where you go too close to an infected individual such that the increase in risk becomes significant.

EDIT: I made a quick qualitative graph to explain it:. In essence we don't know the relationship between the risk of infection and the distance, other than to say that there is a negative correlation between the two. Most governments seem to believe that the risk of infection is low up to about 1m.

EDIT 2: I have made a mistake in that yes, it is possible that the relationships could change depending on whether the virus evolves. One scenario might be that if the virus got "weaker", then it could be that one would need to inhale more droplets to become infected. But I believe the current thinking is based largely on just avoiding inhaling as many droplets as possible, rather than trying to take into account how many droplets you need to inhale to become infected.

 

[SteveJ]

As usual, my post is incoherent regarding what I'm actually getting at: which is, the cavalier attitude with other people's lives and the grim pursuit of money no matter the human cost.

 

[sammsky1]

See my post here:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/sar...illiness-or-memes-please.452816/post-25610791

1m will have a higher risk. However the the increase in the risk may not be so large as to be significant. It is largely guess work. Really you just want to avoid the situation where you go too close to an infected individual such that the increase in risk becomes significant.

EDIT: I made a quick qualitative graph to explain it:. In essence we don't know the relationship between the risk of infection and the distance, other than to say that there is a negative correlation between the two. Most governments seem to believe that the risk of infection is low up to about 1m.

Got it. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

why?

I just can’t see people long term following social distancing, there are signs everywhere that people are ”bored” of it for want of a better word.

 

[utdalltheway]

In my area we never went into full lockdown. And now if you looked around you could think there was nothing amiss.

People eating in restaurants. People out and about with no masks. About 60-70 kids the other day at the beach doing jr lifeguard classes, all right next to each other.
People out walking with friends. It was always the same but before they tried to stay 6’ apart, now they’re not even bothering.

That Tulsa rally made me hope it’s well attended but the real problem is they won’t just all stay together afterwards, they’ll travel all over the US and infect others.

The US numbers will keep rising cos people are too selfish to pitch in to protect their own neigbbours.

 

[Carolina Red]

New conspiracy someone hit me with today...

Covid cases are spiking because health departments are testing Covid positive patients multiple times each week to push numbers up and spread fear.

The person who told me that is a nurse at a doctor’s office.

 

[madzo2007]

No new cases in Northern Ireland today for the first time since March

 

[decorativeed]

New conspiracy someone hit me with today...

Covid cases are spiking because health departments are testing Covid positive patients multiple times each week to push numbers up and spread fear.

The person who told me that is a nurse at a doctor’s office.

This is like the flat earthers - "Nasa and the entire world governments want all the sheeple to believe that the world is round". Okay. But why?

 

[JPRouve]

This is like the flat earthers - "Nasa and the entire world governments want all the sheeple to believe that the world is round". Okay. But why?

They are all sociopaths and love striking fear into random people.

 

[Carolina Red]

This is like the flat earthers - "Nasa and the entire world governments want all the sheeple to believe that the world is round". Okay. But why?

“To control us” is the usual answer... as the person watches OAN and signs up to attend Trump’s next mass spread event.. sorry... campaign rally.

 

[Dancfc]

As usual, my post is incoherent regarding what I'm actually getting at: which is, the cavalier attitude with other people's lives and the grim pursuit of money no matter the human cost.

How exactly do you propose we arm the NHS with the resources to save these lives without a working economy? And that's before we get into the mass unemployed people that will need state funding to even be fed, funding that won't be there, so in other words, mass poverty.

If we don't get the world spinning again (with appropriate precautions ofcourse) the virus won't even be on the radar in the list of worries.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

This is like the flat earthers - "Nasa and the entire world governments want all the sheeple to believe that the world is round". Okay. But why?

The best one size fits all explanation I’ve heard for conspiracy goons is that, deep down, they’re horrified by the idea that the world is a chaotic and random place, where terrible things happen out of the blue and governments are basically making it up as they go along.

It gives them great comfort to think that everything that happens is actually carefully planned. Plus they relish the sense of superiority they feel over the “sheeple”.

 

[Buster15]

The whole legal system is a joke in this country to be honest. There is absolutely no consequence for breaking the law, as seen with Borris and Cummings. Or with blatant lies, and misleading the public.

Not only the legal system. But what I fail to understand is why there are not protests on the streets by the public. Protests at the shambolic way the Corona pandemic has been mishandled.

Lies - absolutely.
Misleading the public - totally.
Complete and utter incompetence - without doubt.

The government number one job is to protect its people.
Have they done that?

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

Not only the legal system. But what I fail to understand is why there are not protests on the streets by the public. Protests at the shambolic way the Corona pandemic has been mishandled.

Lies - absolutely.
Misleading the public - totally.
Complete and utter incompetence - without doubt.

The government number one job is to protect its people.
Have they done that?

Its not the smartest move during a pandemic and strikes me as counter productive. We are all angry about how many people have died so lets go out and pass it around thousands of other people?

 

[Buster15]

Its not the smartest move during a pandemic and strikes me as counter productive. We are all angry about how many people have died so lets go out and pass it around thousands of other people?

So why has it been so laudable for the BLM protests then.
And it is perfectly possible to protest while respecting social distancing and in the open air where the risk is much lower.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

So why has it been so laudable for the BLM protests then.
And it is perfectly possible to protest while respecting social distancing.

Come on Buster, a protest directly to show anger at the way Covid has been dealt with which makes it harder to deal with. You can't see how barmy that is?

While it may be possible to social distance at a protest that's not what I see when I turn on the news. I think Its a bad idea.

 

[Buster15]

Come on Buster, a protest directly to show anger at the way Covid has been dealt with which makes it harder to deal with. You can't see how barmy that is?

While it may be possible to social distance at a protest that's not what I see when I turn on the news. I think Its a bad idea.

That is fine.
So what would you suggest.

 

[Carolina Red]

 

[dumbo]

Not only the legal system. But what I fail to understand is why there are not protests on the streets by the public. Protests at the shambolic way the Corona pandemic has been mishandled.

Lies - absolutely.
Misleading the public - totally.
Complete and utter incompetence - without doubt.

The government number one job is to protect its people.
Have they done that?

The virus has disproportionately affected black people, minority people and the poor, it has also further weakened the NHS. In many ways this virus mirrors Tory ideology. Perhaps your averge Tory voter sees the pandemic as a net positive, despite the age risk. That 80 seat majority wasn't an appeal to compassion and decency.

 

[nickm]

I don't get why wearing masks is being politicised in the Anglosphere, especially in the United States. I know they value individual freedom, liberty and other libertarian nonsense highly but this takes the cake. Really? During a pandemic that has cost the lives of more than a hundred thousand of their fellow countrymen in just a bit over three months? I just don't get it.

Someone once said that when people stop believing in god, they don't believe in nothing, they believe in anything. This wasn't true for god, but I do think it's increasingly true for science. I think the world is so complex, information is such a tidal wave, and evidence is so hard for people to interpret accurately for themselves (and in truth most people are really bad at that anyway), that it's easier for people to believe what they are told by friends, and distrust what they are told by enemies.

This is a very dangerous state of affairs.