SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Someone once said that when people stop believing in god, they don't believe in nothing, they believe in anything. This wasn't true for god, but I do think it's increasingly true for science. I think the world is so complex, information is such a tidal wave, and evidence is so hard for people to interpret accurately for themselves (and in truth most people are really bad at that anyway), that it's easier for people to believe what they are told by friends, and distrust what they are told by enemies.

This is a very dangerous state of affairs.

Which is why people need to be careful and make sure to not have friends.
 
The best one size fits all explanation I’ve heard for conspiracy goons is that, deep down, they’re horrified by the idea that the world is a chaotic and random place, where terrible things happen out of the blue and governments are basically making it up as they go along.

It gives them great comfort to think that everything that happens is actually carefully planned. Plus they relish the sense of superiority they feel over the “sheeple”.
That's not a bad hypothesis.
 
The best one size fits all explanation I’ve heard for conspiracy goons is that, deep down, they’re horrified by the idea that the world is a chaotic and random place, where terrible things happen out of the blue and governments are basically making it up as they go along.

It gives them great comfort to think that everything that happens is actually carefully planned. Plus they relish the sense of superiority they feel over the “sheeple”.

Thats genuinely brilliant.
 
The virus has disproportionately affected black people, minority people and the poor, it has also further weakened the NHS. In many ways this virus mirrors Tory ideology. Perhaps your averge Tory voter sees the pandemic as a net positive, despite the age risk. That 80 seat majority wasn't an appeal to compassion and decency.

Very good points.
 
Australia's Liberal government returning to form and acting like a bunch of heartless cnuts. State governments are holding strong against their worst instincts so we will hopefully be ok. Given the surge in infections in Victoria the federal governments bullying attempts to make them open up by taking them to the high court will hopefully now fail.
 
India has has seen cases go up from 13k+ to 14k+ to now nearly 16k in 3 days..

2 days of 33k+ cases in the US ..
First time it has crossed 30k since 1st May ..

Guessing its partly down to the massive protests.. but its going up again..
 
The virus has disproportionately affected black people, minority people and the poor, it has also further weakened the NHS. In many ways this virus mirrors Tory ideology. Perhaps your averge Tory voter sees the pandemic as a net positive, despite the age risk. That 80 seat majority wasn't an appeal to compassion and decency.
Yep. This sort of thing pops up all the time in polling during elections. The politician who is seen to care the most about the poor and is the most relatable is also seen as the least prime ministerial, which suggests a large portion of Britain sees cruelty implemented from the upper classes as a essential part of governance.

The covid crisis has shown us the collective brown noise response of the Tory majority coalition(retiree peasantry, small business owning middle class and a coked up media class.)united by foundational common sense nostalgia of a war that the vast majority never took part in and a "collective suffering" that is almost exclusively felt materially by minorities and the poor but symbolically felt by everyone(Get those pans out!). All paid for by a reluctant weekend at bernie's economic policy.

The covid crisis will be like all the other recent awful events, it will have devastating after effects on the poor in Britain(Not to mention the damage it's already done to the families who have lost loved ones) while 40% of the nation will continue to happily suck on the exhaust pipe of Boris's jag.
 
When general cases are low it doesn't take much for R to rocket up, especially when there's a local outbreak.
Headline is somewhat misleading given Germany’s relatively low cases. R number is being skewed by an outbreak at an abattoir with 1000+ infections.

National upturn not expected.

Their daily cases have increased from 200/day to 600/day over the last week. Combined with this sudden increase in R they could have quite a problem on their hands.
 


Localised outbreaks.

Aka second spike.

This is what the 'second spike' will look like, localised outbreaks with localised lockdowns.
Which is essentially what the first spike looked like, but with higher numbers.
 
Their daily cases have increased from 200/day to 600/day over the last week. Combined with this sudden increase in R they could have quite a problem on their hands.

Quote from the Institute for infectious diseases:
"Further developments need to be monitored closely during the upcoming days, especially in regard to whether case numbers are increasing outside of outbreak contexts,"
 


Localised outbreaks.


Sky not even bothering to report on UK anymore. Couple of articles about hand dryers and ordering pints with an App.

fecking yellow ticker tape when some one else has a problem.

Trumpista news outlet
 


Localised outbreaks.

Its stories like this which worries me about this in Ireland. We have it under control but the flights and holidays will get rolling again.
Leo has said we cant shut ourselves off from the world but, surely to God, the people would rather get back to normality and sacrifice travel for a year or so?
We'd rather risk going back to restrictions so the hen and stag parties can get out and about Europe
 
No more 'heroes'...

Student nurses ‘not deemed to be providing a service’, says DHSC Care Minister

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Around 25,000 student nurses opted in to assist the NHS during the COVID-19 pandemic. "No plans” to backdate a new £5,000 grant for student nurses

'A Conservative MP has claimed that the government has “no plans” to backdate a new £5,000 grant for student nurses as they “are not deemed to be providing a service”.

Helen Whately, the Conservative MP for Faversham and Care Minister at the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) makes the bold claim while responding to a letter from Tom Pursglove MP calling for additional financial support for student nurses.

The government scrapped the NHS Bursary system for student nurses and midwives in 2015 which subsequently led to a significant drop in the number of applicants.

Later this year the government will introduce the NHS Learning Support Fund which will provide non-repayable grants of up to £8,000 per year for both new and current student healthcare professionals.

Those who completed their course between this period feel understandably short-changed by a lack of financial aid – relying solely on student loans.'


More:
https://nursingnotes.co.uk/news/student-nurses-not-deemed-providing-servicemp/
 
No more 'heroes'...

Student nurses ‘not deemed to be providing a service’, says DHSC Care Minister


Around 25,000 student nurses opted in to assist the NHS during the COVID-19 pandemic. "No plans” to backdate a new £5,000 grant for student nurses

'A Conservative MP has claimed that the government has “no plans” to backdate a new £5,000 grant for student nurses as they “are not deemed to be providing a service”.

Helen Whately, the Conservative MP for Faversham and Care Minister at the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) makes the bold claim while responding to a letter from Tom Pursglove MP calling for additional financial support for student nurses.

The government scrapped the NHS Bursary system for student nurses and midwives in 2015 which subsequently led to a significant drop in the number of applicants.

Later this year the government will introduce the NHS Learning Support Fund which will provide non-repayable grants of up to £8,000 per year for both new and current student healthcare professionals.

Those who completed their course between this period feel understandably short-changed by a lack of financial aid – relying solely on student loans.'


More:
https://nursingnotes.co.uk/news/student-nurses-not-deemed-providing-servicemp/

As I keep saying, they have limitless supplies of cynicism and contempt, bordering on hatred, for the general population. Who the feck votes for these cnuts?
 
Some good news from Sweden.
A small sample size, but they will do a larger study with a reference group starting now.

Blood plasma transfers from people with antibodies to people sick with Covid-19. Early findings shows that in most of the cases the people with ongoing infections got rid of the virus from the blood already the day after the transfer. They also mention that other countries/places shows the same results, but dont say who.

sorry for link only in swedish.
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=7498535
 
Its stories like this which worries me about this in Ireland. We have it under control but the flights and holidays will get rolling again.
Leo has said we cant shut ourselves off from the world but, surely to God, the people would rather get back to normality and sacrifice travel for a year or so?
We'd rather risk going back to restrictions so the hen and stag parties can get out and about Europe

It’s just not an option for any EU country to put any kind of serious restriction on travel between other member states. Especially for Ireland, where so much of our economy is reliant on international corporations situated here as a gateway to the EU. It’s not ideal in a pandemic but it is what it is. That’s why the experts saying we could/should eradicate the virus completely are living in dream land.
 
It’s just not an option for any EU country to put any kind of serious restriction on travel between other member states. Especially for Ireland, where so much of our economy is reliant on international corporations situated here as a gateway to the EU. It’s not ideal in a pandemic but it is what it is. That’s why the experts saying we could/should eradicate the virus completely are living in dream land.
Yeah, a blockade on travel between Ireland and the mainland UK would be an unmitigated disaster for us. it's a shame they've handled the pandemic so terribly because it'll affect us big time too.
 
Aka second spike.

This is what the 'second spike' will look like, localised outbreaks with localised lockdowns.
Which is essentially what the first spike looked like, but with higher numbers.

That may be true - the problem we will have is if it happens during winter because the NHS is already close to breaking point every winter due to flu and other winter ailments - if you add in a COVID second wave spike the entire system will collapse.
 
As I keep saying, they have limitless supplies of cynicism and contempt, bordering on hatred, for the general population. Who the feck votes for these cnuts?
When I did my nursing training it was hospital-based and not linked to a higher ed programme as it is nowadays. We were working full-time and were paid about £2,300 a year (poor even by standards of the day). When they changed nurse education and brought in bursaries, it gave a lot of people who were a bit older an opportunity to change career or start a career after having children.

It's a backwards step to remove something that was actually attacting people into the profession.
 
Yeah, a blockade on travel between Ireland and the mainland UK would be an unmitigated disaster for us. it's a shame they've handled the pandemic so terribly because it'll affect us big time too.

Yup. We know how Sweden’s neighbours must feel. Pointless trying to get rid of the virus when it’s running amok next door.
 
Some good news from Sweden.
A small sample size, but they will do a larger study with a reference group starting now.

Blood plasma transfers from people with antibodies to people sick with Covid-19. Early findings shows that in most of the cases the people with ongoing infections got rid of the virus from the blood already the day after the transfer. They also mention that other countries/places shows the same results, but dont say who.

sorry for link only in swedish.
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=7498535

Potentially fantastic news.
 
My mum works in a doctor's surgery and her antibody test came back positive today. She had a dry cough, fatigue and a fever about 2 months ago for about a week.
 
In Lithuania quarantine has been officially over for over a week now (May onwards we started easing the lockdown gradually). It's has been over a month and a half now since pubs and restaurants have opened (which have been rammed ever since). The only restrictions that remain intact are on mass concerts. No huge spikes yet, mostly localised mini outbreaks which are being dealt with accordingly through increased testing, tracing, and isolation of those involved.
 
Some good news from Sweden.
A small sample size, but they will do a larger study with a reference group starting now.

Blood plasma transfers from people with antibodies to people sick with Covid-19. Early findings shows that in most of the cases the people with ongoing infections got rid of the virus from the blood already the day after the transfer. They also mention that other countries/places shows the same results, but dont say who.

sorry for link only in swedish.
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=7498535
Please be true. That would be a game changer.
 
My mum works in a doctor's surgery and her antibody test came back positive today. She had a dry cough, fatigue and a fever about 2 months ago for about a week.

Is this only available for medical professionals atm?
 
Is this only available for medical professionals atm?

I'm shielding and had to have routine bloods done. Since they were doing them anyway, they used a sample for an antibody test too.

Came back negative.

But don't know how common it is for routine bloods to also be used for an antibody test.
 
Is this only available for medical professionals atm?

You can get the same tests from Bupa for £69, but it's obviously a lot of money for something that should become more routine in the next couple of months.