Almost all recent cases from abroad have been returnees from the UK. Just shows that UK is no some sort of safe heaven and cases are still widespread within the communities.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I don't think anyone here has said anything to the contrary. Air travel is a massive issue for this virus and still baffles me why we're not being firmer with airlines/airports on the process (the reasons are obvious as to why it's still going on). Self quarantines just aren't working.
It's ridiculous. A town near me had people on the Cardiff flight that was in the news and hey presto 10 new cases there today has been reported. Just because some people cannot go without a holiday and cannot follow instructions when they do.
I also called into my local for an hour after work tonight. I've been a couple of times and felt pretty safe in there as it has been very quiet. I lasted 20 minutes one of the locals walked in complaining of coughing all day and having a temperature. Everyone just looked at him in disbelief. I got nowhere near him and left the rest of my pint and my newspaper on the table. Some people are just too stupid unfortunately.
Feels like a mini version of what happened in Feb/Mar/Apr with people coming back on holiday from areas with high rates.
2019 had around 19 million visits to just Spain from the UK.
Even at reduced traveling, during Nov-Mar many will travel and come back from Ski resorts and the med, will not quarantine and be spreading it in perfect conditions for a virus, cold damp air in a heavily populated small bit of land that is England with smallest homes in Europe and cramped packed pubs.
2019 had around 19 million visits to just Spain from the UK.
Even at reduced traveling, during Nov-Mar many will travel and come back from Ski resorts and the med, will not quarantine and be spreading it in perfect conditions for a virus, cold damp air in a heavily populated small bit of land that is England with smallest homes in Europe and cramped packed pubs.
Whatever we feel about people taking holidays over the summer, the idea that someone might go on a ski holiday - with so much of the first wave directly linked to ski resorts - kind of blows my mind. Genuinely astonished anyone could be so reckless/selfish.
I fecking love snowboarding and went twice a year for nearly 20 years. I had a 10 year break while the kids were young and made my big comeback the season before last. Injured myself on day one and spent the rest of the week in a sling. Had this year’s holiday cancelled the week before we were due to leave. Both my kids were absolutely gutted. So it’s safe to say my next ski holiday can’t come quick enough. But absolutely no chance will I risk it this winter. Such a dumb move.
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There are many things wrong with England, but having the smallest homes in Europe is simply not true. In fact far from it.
I can only go off the many studies and articles on it over the last two decades describing it as so. Getting worse with new builds and flats popping up on small parcels of land the councils are now selling.
Been going on for about two decades with very small new builds. So many large homes have been divided into flats now over the last 20 years and even typical semi-detached house are being split into flats such is the squeeze for living space.
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English understatement and I was agreeing that we won't all be vaccinated by Christmas. At least one of the vaccines in stage 3 trials is already being manufactured on the hope/assumption of success but licensing, the scale of manufacture and the logistics of distribution and application are far from trivial.
Even breaking all records 2021 will disappear quickly.
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I wish more people would accept missing a holiday or two like me and you.
My cousin just got back and is going again next month. I am too angry with him to even speak to him the selfish bastard. His parents are in their 80s and he doesn't isolate from them either.
It’s fecking infuriating tbh. It’s a very small sacrifice to ask.
Interesting article about covid symptoms and a potential cause
https://elemental.medium.com/a-supe...teresting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63
https://elemental.medium.com/a-supe...teresting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63
Yes but what about all the people who don't actually have hypochondria but worry that they do?
i agree with you guys. ooi how do you feel about people with comfirmed antibodies traveling?
Ha ha, the mods are really backing Stan this week.
I got a warning for saying ”what a dogshit post” (which is exactly what the caf says I should do, insult the post), and now you’re warned for calling him a cnut when he actually posted that he hopes young people pass Covid-19 onto their grandparents.
Personally right now until it can be confirmed they can't spread it (which is right up in the air) I would think the same thing.
No non-essential travel would be the way I would have gone.
I think they should still take a year off. The serology tests measure circulating antibodies in the blood (IgG/IgM). What they don’t measure are IgA antibodies that fight infections in mucus membranes in the nose/throat. So it’s possible that people who are “immune” due to previous infection can kill the virus in their bloodstream (which stops them getting seriously ill) but still catch it and pass it on from their nose and throat.
Yup, i agree.
I got a colleague in my coaching staff going to the Alps in march. Long time untill then, but im still not sure how i feel about it.
He was there last march also and did not do diddely to stay away from others when he came back, even when he got sick.
What a cnut... of a post.
The thing is @Pogue Mahone, if everyone takes a year off then all travel companies go bust. Absolutely all of them! And that means no flights, which in turn means broken families.
Oh and on a side-note there, these uber cuntbags in the UK have decided Portgual with 23 cases per 100,000 are ok to stay on their none quarantine list, but if I wanna take my daughter home for the first time in almost a year to see her family, I fecking can't, despite us having like 8 cases per 100,000.
So if anyone wonders in here why I'm so often a broken record on Sweden, it's because politicians in the UK, US, among other places and the largest part of the media have been desperate since March to paint Sweden as the World's biggest Covid-19 failure story. That alone means these Tory wankers can't give Sweden a travel corridor, "because what message would that give if we give that to a country that has lower stats than us in deaths per capita, absolutely miles lower in excess deaths, lower current cases and the feckers never closed a thing" and it means my daughter is missing out despite us being more at risk in the UK than going shopping in Stockholm.
So yeah, I'm slighty riled by the entire fecking thing, not least the inconsistent response of this dogshit government that the thick twats in the UK keep voting in despite fecking up Brexit, Covid, the NHS and basically anything else they can feck up.
The cnuts are clearly giving zero transparency on their quarantine system because they know it's a load of shite and because they know it's politically motivated. About as scientific as Neil Ferguson's Imperial model. 0.3 IFR rate on that Iceland study right? Hopefully someone's shown this to plebhead Neil who estimated "2-3 deaths per 1000 infections in lower income countries, contrasted to the 6-10 deaths per 1000 infections in high-income countries with older populations." Bout as scientific as chemtrails there Neil.
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Careful @Feed Me, I called one of his posts "what a dogshit post" yesterday and got a warning for "inappropriate behaviour".
This is interesting/controversial. Someone modelled the outcomes of “age-targeted mitigations” (basically allowing anyone <50 yo get back to normality) and concludes that it will reduce mortality overall (a sort of ‘herd immunity lite’ approach)
First coronavirus reinfection documented in Hong Kong, researchers say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/08/24/coronavirus-reinfection-hong-kong/
There’s been another one confirmed in Nevada. No doubt many many more that we will never know about if second infection is very mild/asymptomatic.
I can only go off the many studies and articles on it over the last two decades describing it as so. Getting worse with new builds and flats popping up on small parcels of land the councils are now selling.
Been going on for about two decades with very small new builds. So many large homes have been divided into flats now over the last 20 years and even typical semi-detached house are being split into flats such is the squeeze for living space.
Those stats are completely misleading. In the Netherlands relatively view have gigantic houses, but in NL space is at a premium so the vast majority don’t. Also, there is far more house sharing in the UK than in NL.
I can only go off the many studies and articles on it over the last two decades describing it as so. Getting worse with new builds and flats popping up on small parcels of land the councils are now selling.
Been going on for about two decades with very small new builds. So many large homes have been divided into flats now over the last 20 years and even typical semi-detached house are being split into flats such is the squeeze for living space.
These are new builds. House prices in the UK are primarily driven by by number of bedrooms once location has been discounted. Developers generally cram in as many bedrooms as possible to maximise value.
Ironically, among the northern Asian communities where the hotspots have been since lockdown was lifted, they tend to live in Victorian terraces which have larger room sizes, certainly by volume with the 10ft ceilings. One of the advantages about Victorian and Edwardian housing stock are the room sizes. It was in the 60s and 70s when housing construction really started heading south, both architecturally and in terms of room size.
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Plus the original infection probably so mild that it didn't produce a significant immune response and T-cell response.
That Icelandic study shows that where there was an immune response it lasts a decent time, so these handful of possible reinfections aren't anything to worry about.
That is interesting, and promising too if their theory about treatment is tested.
A flat with 76 sq meters is already considered a big flat in HK. A really big one.I can only go off the many studies and articles on it over the last two decades describing it as so. Getting worse with new builds and flats popping up on small parcels of land the councils are now selling.
Been going on for about two decades with very small new builds. So many large homes have been divided into flats now over the last 20 years and even typical semi-detached house are being split into flats such is the squeeze for living space.
We can’t assume there’s only been a handful of reinfections. They’re actually going to be very hard to pick up. Especially if the experience of the Hong Kong bloke is typical. In 99% of the cases like his, he would never have had that second test as he was asymptomatic.
Seeing as we’re picking up reinfections already, less than a year since the virus was first discovered, I would say there’s a decent chance that reinfections will become routine.
We know that reinfection after 6 to 12 months is common for the four seasonal coronaviruses already in circulation so it was always going to be a likely outcome for this one.
But I won't be too worried if most of the reinfections are asymptomatic, meaning there is still sufficient immune response to prevent the person from getting sick.
To be fair, Hong Kong probably has the worst housing crisis in the developed world.
For sure. But it rules out eradication as a strategy. They might not get sick but they can infect other people. And the big concern here is what it means for elderly/vulnerable people if the virus circulates in the same numbers as other seasonal coronaviruses each year.
Tbh I've been very skeptical towards eradication since the beginning of the pandemic. There have only been 2 successful examples of eradication in human history and I highly doubt if it's the right strategy to deal with this novel, easily transmitted virus.
Yeah, agreed. And the more we learn about our immune response the less likely it seems we’ll get a sterilising vaccine. Which means some interesting decisions for New Zealand/Aus in the years ahead.
I have just received an email telling me that I have been identified as someone who needs a flu vaccine. I am still under 30 and have only used the GP rarely for issues not related to flu or immune systems etc. I am a person of colour though. I was wondering whether there is now an initiative to get more people from BAME communities vaccinated because I otherwise cannot explain why I have received this email?
@0le, I'd give them a call and ask why you've received a letter, as you're healthy and young.
I would call to ask why, I think those letters and emails are not all that reliable. Neither of my parents received anything despite both being over 65, having had cancer, and major surgery in the last couple of years. My 40+ year diabetic uncle also got nothing, yet I know people like you who did receive letters.