Has political correctness actually gone mad?

Top quality banter! :lol:

A US university investigation into one of its professors has ignited a debate over the use of a seemingly innocuous Chinese word.

Professor Greg Patton at the University of Southern California (USC) was telling students in a communications lecture last month about filler, or pause words, such as 'err', 'umm' or 'you know' in English.

Footage of his lecture, which has now gone viral, shows Prof Patton saying: "In China, the common pause word is 'that, that, that'. So in China, it might be na-ge, na-ge, na-ge."

Enunciated, na-ge sounds like the N-word, which led several of the professor's students to complain to the university. Responding to the complaint, the dean of the university, Geoffrey Garrett, told students that Prof Patton would no longer be teaching the course.

"It is simply unacceptable for the faculty to use words in class that can marginalize, hurt and harm the psychological safety of our students," he said.

The university says that Prof Patton "volunteered to step away" from his role amid the investigation into complaints made against him.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-54107329

Original video below... go to 0:22
 
All the other professors should threaten to resign imo.

It terrifies me that this implies numerous parents raised their kids to feel like that they should take a stand on this.
 
Hard to say what's worse... The gormless ignorant brats who complained. The university and the dean's predictable grovelling response. Or the fact the guy actually volunteered to step down despite doing nothing wrong. Scary stuff.

"Caused great pain and upset among students ... unacceptable for faculty to use words in class that marginalise, hurt and harm the pscyhological safety of our students". Truly we live in the age of spinelessness. Also it's actually peak racism to ascribe your own interpretations on to another culture's language and act like they take precedent.
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hobbers said:
Hard to say what's worse... The gormless ignorant brats who complained. The university and the dean's predictable grovelling response. Or the fact the guy actually volunteered to step down despite doing nothing wrong. Scary stuff.

"Caused great pain and upset among students ... unacceptable for faculty to use words in class that marginalise, hurt and harm the pscyhological safety of our students". Truly we live in the age of spinelessness. Also it's actually peak racism to ascribe your own interpretations on to another culture's language and act like they take precedent.
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/protests-following-the-killing-of-george-floyd.454902/post-25974355

I think spinelessness is being more racist than literally Hitler.
 
NotThatSoph said:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/protests-following-the-killing-of-george-floyd.454902/post-25974355

I think spinelessness is being more racist than literally Hitler.
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Wow, how did I manage to miss such a pathetic attempt at misrepresentation scything analysis of my posts?

First two are the same event and we can replace 'black people/youths' with 'clearly multicultural mob of masked rioters'. Also would have helped to see the video of that particular incident because 'sub-human scum' is very much the default immediate response, albeit hyperbole, to it from anyone with eyes and a conscience. Then what have we got? A few posts of innocuous observations with seemingly random bits bolded. And the last one is referring to the fact that thug is only a racially loaded term in America and nowhere else, which is true.

Hope poor old dumbo has at least blocked me after that, wouldn't want the lamb having a panic attack whenever he sees another post from literally Hitler. :lol: Still, nice to have a fan.
 
I wouldn't blame anyone for blocking you, but I think witnessing what kind of people you'd automatically excuse vs who you'd call subhuman scum is a lesson most centrists should learn.

Dumbo didn't call you literally Hitler, but I get how you want to deflect. It's natural for people like you.

Edit: We should be clear on the deflection hobbers is going for. No one disputes that the machete guy is initially rushing at the protesters with a machete in hand. A fight ensued, and the machete guy got beaten bad. Verdict by hobbers? We don't know why the machete guy attacked the protesters, he probably lost his mind to fear, and the guy beating his attacker with a skateboard is a vile little runt. The guy charging with a machete is not a vile little runt, just lost his mind to fear.

This is as insane as it gets.
 
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NotThatSoph said:
I think witnessing what kind of people you'd automatically excuse vs who you'd call subhuman scum is a lesson most centrists should learn.

Edit: We should be clear on the deflection hobbers is going for. No one disputes that the machete guy is initially rushing at the protesters with a machete in hand. A fight ensued, and the machete guy got beaten bad. Verdict by hobbers? We don't know why the machete guy attacked the protesters, he probably lost his mind to fear, and the guy beating his attacker with a skateboard is a vile little runt. The guy charging with a machete is not a vile little runt, just lost his mind to fear.
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Nobody was excused though. Which would be apparent if posts were represented objectively and not cherry picked with descriptors that were deliberately factually wrong. But obviously no one who reads the CE forum would ever expect that sort of approach. And since you seem to want to dive into that particular event.... We're talking about an unhinged idiot who was running around with a sword, and a mob of 20 odd masked rioters (some of whom were white!) that tried to stomp him to a pulp. In the video he isn't initially rushing at anyone, he's being hounded into a corner by several guys who are throwing things at him, if memory serves. And eventually he unleashes a war cry that's more of a petrified squeal, and runs with his sword (katana?) brandished. Was that because he felt he confident to unleash his fury upon the legions of enemies around him? Or was it because he was terrified and wanted to scare someone out of the way so he could flee? Who knows.

But the kid who smashes the unconscious guy on the floor over the head with his skateboard had categorically not lost his mind to fear, but rather a collective bloodlust. tldr; both are wrong but one is worse than the other.


NotThatSoph said:
Dumbo didn't call you literally Hitler, but I get how you want to deflect. It's natural for people like you.
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I know, that was aimed at you. And I understand why a lot of politically fervent people always seek to demonise those who disagree with them, it's natural for them to want to find some level of justification for their seething resentfulness in life.
 
hobbers said:
Wow, how did I manage to miss such a pathetic attempt at misrepresentation scything analysis of my posts?

First two are the same event and we can replace 'black people/youths' with 'clearly multicultural mob of masked rioters'. Also would have helped to see the video of that particular incident because 'sub-human scum' is very much the default immediate response, albeit hyperbole, to it from anyone with eyes and a conscience. Then what have we got? A few posts of innocuous observations with seemingly random bits bolded. And the last one is referring to the fact that thug is only a racially loaded term in America and nowhere else, which is true.

Hope poor old dumbo has at least blocked me after that, wouldn't want the lamb having a panic attack whenever he sees another post from literally Hitler. :lol: Still, nice to have a fan.
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Hi, I wondered why my ears were burning. I had noticed you slowly crawling back out into the sun.

No I won't block you, you are to useful to block. I find you a perfect illustration of how underlying bigotry, (if I'm being generous) ingrained prejudice, or a general unpleasantness can inform bad arguments.

I highlight you as the most glaring warning to others of why we should all (me included) analyse the opinions we hold and inspect the reasons for any underlying prejudice, lest we come across looking like hobbers.

Here is another good example of hobbers getting a ducking for his knee jerk lack of comprehension and poor reasoning in defense of Harris, Peterson... Y'know for any archivists out there:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/peterson-harris-etc.433791/post-23870175
 
Oh yeah and @hobbers I'm talking about you not to you. Don't confuse this with me wanting a conversation because as willing as I often am to journey into futility, I do have some limits.

But feel free to insult me if you so choose (genuinely).
 
dumbo said:
Here is another good example of hobbers getting a ducking for his knee jerk lack of comprehension and poor reasoning in defense of Harris, Peterson... Y'know for any archivists out there:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/peterson-harris-etc.433791/post-23870175
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Surprised someone who is so attuned to flippant sarcasm can't see it when others use it.

Oh and don't worry about engaging me. I'm just looking forward to your next sweltering expose. Hopefully the next one doesn't get buried in 5 pages worth of posts of some poor CE rube getting set upon.
 
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hobbers said:
Nobody was excused though. Which would be apparent if posts were represented objectively and not cherry picked with descriptors that were deliberately factually wrong. But obviously no one who reads the CE forum would ever expect that sort of approach. And since you seem to want to dive into that particular event.... We're talking about an unhinged idiot who was running around with a sword, and a mob of 20 odd masked rioters (some of whom were white!) that tried to stomp him to a pulp. In the video he isn't initially rushing at anyone, he's being hounded into a corner by several guys who are throwing things at him, if memory serves. And eventually he unleashes a war cry that's more of a petrified squeal, and runs with his sword (katana?) brandished. Was that because he felt he confident to unleash his fury upon the legions of enemies around him? Or was it because he was terrified and wanted to scare someone out of the way so he could flee? Who knows.

But the kid who smashes the unconscious guy on the floor over the head with his skateboard had categorically not lost his mind to fear, but rather a collective bloodlust. tldr; both are wrong but one is worse than the other.




I know, that was aimed at you. And I understand why a lot of politically fervent people always seek to demonise those who disagree with them, it's natural for them to want to find some level of justification for their seething resentfulness in life.
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Your memory vs witness statements.

Police statement: A Dallas police spokesman said Tuesday that the man went to that area wielding a “machete type knife” at protesters because he allegedly wanted to “protect his neighborhood, not his or any other property/business.”

Yeah, what a vile little runt.
 
hobbers said:
Hard to say what's worse... The gormless ignorant brats who complained. The university and the dean's predictable grovelling response. Or the fact the guy actually volunteered to step down despite doing nothing wrong. Scary stuff.

"Caused great pain and upset among students ... unacceptable for faculty to use words in class that marginalise, hurt and harm the pscyhological safety of our students". Truly we live in the age of spinelessness. Also it's actually peak racism to ascribe your own interpretations on to another culture's language and act like they take precedent.
:lol:
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we live in a world where it took 100 years for America to pass a bill making lynching a federal crime you could ease off on the hyperbole a bit here
 
Not sure where to put this, definitely not thread material, but Dutch side FC Emmen are not allowed by the Dutch FA to use a sex toy producer as their main shirt sponsor for not being in good taste. The same FA that had our league sponsered by a fecking Casino.

The 19th century called, they want their values back.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Not sure where to put this, definitely not thread material, but Dutch side FC Emmen are not allowed by the Dutch FA to use a sex toy producer as their main shirt sponsor for not being in good taste. The same FA that had our league sponsered by a fecking Casino.

The 19th century called, they want their values back.
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Probably harder to explain to children what a dildo is than where Ocean's Eleven is set.
 
Saying that if theyre anything like a lot of vegan sweets I’ve had before I won’t eat them because they’ve been gross
 
I’ll be honest, I never bought fruit pastilles for the meat content.
 
MoskvaRed said:
That’s basically what Wetherspoons are for, isn’t it? Other than cheap beer near its sell by date.
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The 3 or 4 spoons near me are always more full of kids than old people, though there is a mix of both.
 
MadMike said:
I don't mean to blow me own trumpet, but I think this wins the thread. It'll be very hard to top this :lol:
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It’s certainly a contender. I might actually start reading this thread from the start when I’m bored as I’ve not followed it all that much.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I was cracking a funny. Of course it’s not the skin and bones that give fruit pastilles their flavour!

Maybe you thought I was a fan of Skin & Bones Pastilles?
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Ah I know. It was just I saw a program recently where they made jellies from scratch and the presenter tasted it before they flavoured it. Judging by the look on his face it was revolting :lol:
 
Withnail said:
Ah I know. It was just I saw a program recently where they made jellies from scratch and the presenter tasted it before they flavoured it. Judging by the look on his face it was revolting :lol:
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It's not revolting, it's just kind of muddy/bland with a really weird texture before it sets. If you're expecting jelly, you'll be really disappointed.

My food scientist mate says the gelatin alternatives are getting better all the time. Seaweed, fungus, gum combinations basically. It's mimicking the whole bunch of behaviours that gelatin has that's the challenge - mould ability, softness/hardness, chewiness etc. I'm certainly willing to test them out.
 
Jippy said:
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I mean, it's true. It's also true for basically all pubs in the world, but that's neither here nor there. It's probably less true for un-woke pubs, if that's a word or a concept. Pretty sure close to 100 % of the fights I've been involved with were because of un-woke heads.
 
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