It’s the spread of misinformation or fake information that’s causing that and I would blame certain political figures for saying the news is fake for a lot of that, and also people not wanting to believe this shit is real.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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How about deaths reported as e.g.heart attack when covid fecked their health earlier but wasn't the primary cause?
Despite flu deaths being down almost everywhere excess deaths are up by far more than the 1.75 million reported covid deaths so actual covid deaths are likely well north of 2 million and maybe as many as 3 million already.
They've started vaccinating people in Italy today. Doctors, nurses and other health workers are the first to get it here, then it'll be folk in care homes and the over-80s. I think that's a sensible priority, because we need the people who are delivering health services to stay Covid-free. The oldies can stay home for a while longer.
It’s absolutely fecking insane. Obviously, most conspiracy theories appeal mainly to idiots but this one is particularly moronic because in order for it to work you need “the man” to have briefed thousands and thousands of doctors to deliberately lie and for them to unquestioningly follow that brief. Despite no personal or professional upside and considerable potential downside. All without even one of them, in any country anywhere in the world, whistle-blowing to the press.
As conspiracy theories go this one is a really badly thought through. Beggars belief that anyone with even half a brain could fail to see through such an obvious fiction.
Thanks for the advice.
I can spend months without positing as I did from October 2019 to August 2020, or in November 2020.
So, I can disappear on my own.
Alright Keyser Soze
If you’ve had the virus and likely have antibodies, can you still catch it again (let’s say a month or two later) and pass it on to others?
Not sure about the month or two time frame.. but yes.
It is what you post when you are here that needs to be justified.
If you’re going to prove just one of your stupid claims please make it this one.
No offense intended but I am no longer interested in posting in this thread.
Nobody denies the reality of Covid on this forum and there is nothing controversial in saying that - in some hospitals in some countries - Covid 19 deaths are either underestimated or overestimated.
I also find ridiculous the "they are liars" narrative because they have a different experience about a reality you don't know, or the whole "they are conspiracy theorists" because some simply think critically and differently.
Even if somebody is wrong, he deserves a minimum of respect
Will do that. Don't worry about it.
Nobody cares.
Covid deaths are hugely underestimated. The excess deaths data combined with reduced deaths from flu and other respiratory viruses is undeniable. To suggest otherwise, as you have, is disingenuous at best.
It has zero to do with experience or feelings. If you were a critical thinker you wouldn't be spouting such rubbish. And as for respect for such rubbish? Give me a break. If you want respect stop disrespecting the dead, ill and frontline workers with such idiocy.
I know but you keep asking me some proofs and I am not interested in debating with unhealthy people like you full of arrogance
I agree
Exactly. Another example, for Germany, looking at a monthly basis, the excess deaths stopped once the lockdown was in place and Covid 19 was under control. It only started picking up again in the last few months once the second wave came in. The facts speak for themselves.I've also heard nonsense about excess death figure being fiddled. Presumably by "the deep state" to "make us live in fear" or some such nonsense.
In which case why did excess deaths in Australia not occur? In fact in mid-winter anti-covid measures were saving 400 lives a month. Almost as if the actual figures were being reported?
Watching how Big Sam wears his mask (Liverpool vs WBA), I finally get the notion why some argue wearing a mask is more dangerous.
Well, a week after lock down started in Wales and my next door neighbours family have arrived from Preston. They come and go as they please, have done since March. It is no wonder we are in the state we are in in the UK.
Sometimes I wish doctors, nurses, epidemiologists, statisticians and others would use critical thinking like Ecstatic rather than wishy washy emotional thinking. We need more critical thinkers like him who can't provide factual evidence for their opinions and instead just have a strop. A critical thinking strop, though, not a wishy washy emotional strop.
A trumpish strop?
Meanwhile in the Swiss ski resort of Verbier, Brits have escaped during the night to avoid the retrospective quarantine the Swiss government has imposed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...noculation-lockdown-eu-uk-news-latest-updates
yeah he was a shocking example but it’s really not that uncommon in the UK. Idiotic is the only wordMaybe I’m being far too judgemental but stories about the “UK variant” popping up all over Europe - after British tourists infect locals - are seriously boiling my piss. People going on holiday. In the middle of a fecking pandemic. What the hell?!
Are any of you planning holidays in the next few weeks? Do you know anyone? Is this normal behaviour in the UK?
Honestly don’t know a single person who’s been on a holiday abroad over the few months. It seems the absolute height of entitled selfishness.
How about deaths reported as e.g.heart attack when covid fecked their health earlier but wasn't the primary cause?
Despite flu deaths being down almost everywhere excess deaths are up by far more than the 1.75 million reported covid deaths so actual covid deaths are likely well north of 2 million and maybe as many as 3 million already.
Definitely agree with you about the number of deaths.
I know of at least 2 people who have died recently from cancer that were adversely affected by the pandemic. In both cases their cancer was allowed to progress beyond that which was treatable. In both cases, that was what the hospital stated.
Well, the fact that these skiers went from the UK at a time when things were getting so bad and then skipped quarantine shows they're not bothered about anyone else. I hope they get fined by the Swiss, the authorities have all their details.
You need to be able to back up what you say. Particularly in the CE forum and even moreso when talking about such a serious topic.
One of the best things I’ve ever read on here
WA hasn't had a case of covid for about 8 months apart from returned travellers in quarantine.Yesterday a covid denier in quarantine did a runner and it took the police a few hours to track her down. She is now in police custody potentially facing a $50,000 fine and a 12 month jail term. Let's hope all is well as the NSW outbreak has been hard enough to manage.
Its disgusting, anyone doing this should face massive fines and potential prison time. Softly softly hasn't worked, people are too self absorbed.
Whilst I agree in principle and wouldn’t think about going away myself, why is this any worse than anyone else that has taken a flight in the last 9 months??
No, I would personally have put a stop to all non essential travel abroad and had harsh penalties for rule breakers all along. Whilst I'm generally against too much state intervention, vast sections of the British population have shown themselves to be either utterly selfish or totally thick, a few well publicised harsh punishments would help.
Its true that going on a holiday is a little selfish but you have to also realise that some people have things going on in other countries too. Genuine things they have to tend to that if these things are permanently closed down then those peoples lives will have a worse affect than covid.
On that same topic. For example, let's talk about pakistan or something.
They have blocked all UK flights and also Saudi has blocked all airtravel. The UK and Saudi are huge for pakistan economy.
How huge of an impact does this happen on their aviation industry and on their economy? How long can they afford to close their borders to such flights? They have a review of their flight restriction tomorrow, and I imagine it'll be a battle between the health industry and aviation industry.
Does anyone think the restrictions from these countries will be lifted soon?
They have blocked all UK flights and also Saudi has blocked all airtravel. The UK and Saudi are huge for pakistan economy.
How huge of an impact does this happen on their aviation industry and on their economy? How long can they afford to close their borders to such flights? They have a review of their flight restriction tomorrow, and I imagine it'll be a battle between the health industry and aviation industry.
Does anyone think the restrictions from these countries will be lifted soon?
Last time I opened this thread it was ~50 pages ago.
Shit has definitely become a lot worse in Wales. A month or so ago, only a quarter of our ward was stationed for Optiflow or CPAP. Now, our whole HDU Respiratory ward is Optiflow/CPAP.
A 45 year old, fit as feck with no past medical history, went to ITU yesterday. Today, we saw another 40 year old who is on the brink and will no doubt end up there by the time I return to work on Tuesday. I was speaking with my consultant today and we both randomly noticed that the average age of those who are incredibly sick right now has definitely shifted towards the younger generation. A few months back, I'd say the "sickest" would be around 70 years of age. Now, it's certainly in the 45-55 range. Easily - and it's frightening. It's just mental to me despite working in Respiratory for the last 5 months how rapid people can deteriorate with it.
I've been on call Christmas Day through till today, so I'm absolutely shattered now.
We are in for a God awful January.
Shit has definitely become a lot worse in Wales. A month or so ago, only a quarter of our ward was stationed for Optiflow or CPAP. Now, our whole HDU Respiratory ward is Optiflow/CPAP.
A 45 year old, fit as feck with no past medical history, went to ITU yesterday. Today, we saw another 40 year old who is on the brink and will no doubt end up there by the time I return to work on Tuesday. I was speaking with my consultant today and we both randomly noticed that the average age of those who are incredibly sick right now has definitely shifted towards the younger generation. A few months back, I'd say the "sickest" would be around 70 years of age. Now, it's certainly in the 45-55 range. Easily - and it's frightening. It's just mental to me despite working in Respiratory for the last 5 months how rapid people can deteriorate with it.
I've been on call Christmas Day through till today, so I'm absolutely shattered now.
We are in for a God awful January.
Fauci: The worst is yet to come.
You deserve the rest man. Thanks for you hard work to your community
Urgh ... seeing so many examples of human selfishness, arrogance, stupidity and greed really is aggravating. And many innocent people are going to suffer for that.