2021 American Civil War
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I meant more as a general principle of how the police should react and treat their fellow citizens. We shouldn't be shocked by seeing them behave like humans, but it is shocking because of how they often behave in other cirucmstances.
Yesterday I'm absolutely flabbergasted that those same police didn't kill dozens. And they would have been justified, 100% if they had.
I'm not saying this to excuse the woman who was killed: as another poster pointed out she's the early leader in the Darwin awards.
The name of officer? Albert Einstein.
Ah so now we've used our brain enough to realise that arresting was not an option. Excellent.
So now the police should holster their weapons and go beat up the protestor, and then as others come through, how many cops can beat up 50 people?
Exactly this.
The previous threats of "we'll shoot" had been ignored. At what point do people expect the massively outnumbered police to act on these words?
If anything this shooting lead to the crowd realising they weren't simply going to march into the senate and hold politicians hostage and stopped them pushing further into the building. The outcome, while sad, was inevitable, and if anything it probably saved dozens of others lives.
Maybe it's naive on my part but I would have assumed a 14 year veteran who served four tours of duty might be able to assess that trying to break through a guarded door while the people inside have their guns pointed at you is a relatively dangerous situation.
Law enforcement are taught only to shoot to kill. We've had a whole spiel on this in another thread so I won't repeat it, but they're not trained to wound/deter. If a law enforcement officer discharges their firearm it is as a last resort and it is designed to be fatal. It sucks, but there are reasons, and it's how they're trained.
Anyone who thinks that half a dozen police could have controlled that situation peacefully has never been in a charged situation.
Imo the only way to have controlled that mob without violence would have been if the inciter himself - in person - stood up and told them to stop.
All good, we're in agreement. If this was a hell of a lot smaller and without the bombs they absolutely should have been arrested instead of using deadly force.
They weren’t playing tag.
His next post will be how one cop should have gone alone to that bottleneck and starting twatting people, one vs. a mob. That one officer would then be right in the line of sight for the others charged with protecting that "no pass line", blocking their view to anything going on, the fighting officer and the others would have no clue if someone in the mob pulled out a firearm like, but let's ignore that too.
They all sound like wonderful ideas if the mob nicely play to the rules, don't fight back, none of them are armed and they all politely take turns to get beaten up.
Her social media is still visible. Here’s a tame, yet representative, post...
She definitely wasn’t inhabiting the same reality the majority of us are.
Her radicalization was clearly evident.
Joe drops the F bomb. He's pretty angry.
I can't disagree too much. As I said, I'm amazed that many, many more people weren't shot (and if they had been, they really couldn't not have complained). Given the circumstances, I certainly wouldn't expect the officer who fired the bullet to face any kind of disciplinary action, but watching the video (admittedly in the cold light of day in the comfort of my home), it did look like it might have been been possible to avoid it in that moment. It is, after all, a human life, as imbecilic as that individual may be.
"she was a great person who loved her country"Her social media is still visible. Here’s a tame, yet representative, post...
She definitely wasn’t inhabiting the same reality the majority of us are.
Her radicalization was clearly evident.
Good people on both sides.
Is CommonAshSense meant to be some kind of pun?
That’s exactly how ‘Tommy Robinson’ describes her.
Awkward.
I thought this was going to be Joe Biden
It’s unintentionally more of one today.
Not the population as the whole, but more and more are falling victim to the whole right wing type of Christianity.
This snapped me out of my ‘hitting snooze’ morning.
Numbers of religious are dropping in the US, but the virulent strain of mental delusion that is evangelical / dominion christianity is still prosperous & affected a take over of the government in the 90s through the likes of Ralph Reed, etc. in broad daylight. And its grip has only gotten tighter since.
I feel sorry for these people. Reckon about half have them have mental issues. Believing Democrats are child rapists and Trump is the second coming of Christ doesn't scream normal to me.
https://youtu.be/E1L9Rb0LADg
Reminds me of this fascinating interview with a schizophrenic. This is exactly what Q folks sound like.
https://youtu.be/E1L9Rb0LADg
Reminds me of this fascinating interview with a schizophrenic. This is exactly what Q folks sound like.
Do you honestly not understand that you can not control a situation if you're vastly outnumbered? Especially without lethal force? They concede that open window and it probably takes less than a minute until they are evenly matched in numbers. Then what? Start shooting then? Stand down and hope the angry mob won't turn violent against you or the politicians they hate?
The failure of law enforcement occured when it didn't allocate enough ressources to contain the mob outside the building.
Only a matter of minutes until Trump is back up on Twitter.
We could be seeing the end of a presidency in real time here shortly.
We could be seeing the end of a presidency in real time here shortly.
She expected her white privilege to shield her
Have you used your brain enough to gather that I'm not against the use of force, but it should be the least amount of force necessary to effectuate the lawful task? I could swear I already made that clear
@Drainy wondering if others are using their brain. 
What would they do in Europe? Or in a more Liberal Asian country?
@Drainy wondering if others are using their brain.
Be good if people tried to understand that even idiots deserve to live if it can be helped
In France they most likely would have been beaten down in front of parliament for hours and then be prosecuted immediately. If some of them managed to get that far, they would have been shot in similar circumstances.
Her social media is still visible. Here’s a tame, yet representative, post...
She definitely wasn’t inhabiting the same reality the majority of us are.
Her radicalization was clearly evident.
In a more abstract sense, I think Trumpism is all about cognitive dissonances. There are things you want to believe, maybe because they are more comfortable to you, (e. g. "covid isn't that bad, I can still go out", "climate change isn't real, I don't need to change my lifestyle", "the immigrants are to blame for my unemployment, not me, I don't need to change and am fine the way I am") and there are facts which might contradict those views (science primarily). Then you can either adapt your opinion and accept the uncomfortable or build constructs in your head (conspiracy theories) that delegitimize the unpleasant truths. However, Trump tells people what they want to hear and it makes it easier for them to blend out facts and logic. He gives them easy ways out to live how they want to live against better knowledge and they give in to their basic instincts (blaming others, etc.) instead of using their brains.
I think we're beginning to witness the pinnacle of this mindset. They were "protesting" in their echo chamber, probably told themselves on and on again that they're the people, the silent majority, that cops and military are on their side and that nothing would harm them. In the same way, they convince themselves that semiautomatic rifles and some improvised gun range shooting prepares them for a battle with trained forces.
Thing is, in the end the fate of this woman might be symbolic for what's coming. Trump will not leave it at that, he'll escalate things further. The institutions have been really inconsequential with Trump supporters' wrong doings in the past and that has probably only confirmed their illusion of invincinbility. But if things continue like this, at some point the military has to intervene. Just like this woman probably didn't even entertain the thought that she might die if she ignores the warnings of the police, they won't know what they got themselves into until it's too late.
Presumably these thick cnuts are all still in DC and watched their reps 'betray' them last night by certifying the vote. I wonder what they will all do after they've had their waffles.
Sob uncontrollably.
Would be good if people tried to understand that the idiot in question was 100% to blame and that the shooter had no choice.
But we can't have everything.
Can being shot be categorised as Natural Selection. . .
Feck him and feck his dolled up wife. They had no problem letting Trump call in every day back in 15/16, and now they don’t get to spout those sanctimonious bs.