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Serious question for a second. Why do you hate the EU as an organisation so much?
I think @Maticmaker made a good point that where 'Remain' lost in the referendum was not the hardcore ideological Brexiteers but probably the people who were left behind who felt little to lose from the vote. Which I think it probably right.
But for JRM, Baker and seemingly you, it wasn't just about leaving the EU and making 'our own way'. It was about a seemingly visceral hatred of it as an organisation and a desire to see it crash and burn, even with us out of it. Some people would be willing to shoulder a large economic cost or the breakup of the union, at all costs, because of the hatred vs the EU.
Why?
They’ve been told to climb the feck down immediately, that’s accountability.
Who does Bozzer account to?
He's expecting a call from James Dyson in Singapore and Jim Ratcliffe in Monaco at any moment.
And? How does that affect your day to day life?
Good question that.
I’ve lived in 5 EU countries and moving has been seamless, the lack of borders is the closest we’ve managed to real freedom in 10,000 years of civilisation from these silly lines drawn on maps 100’s of years ago. That why I love it, despite the imperfections.
So why the vicious hate? I’m interested to know.
The UK is a political union of four countries, do you hate the UK?
Um, does anyone actually acknowledge a historic EU climbdown here?
it’s probably more of a reaction to this environment.
this forum is very pro EU - and nothing wrong with that, but it therefore prompts a greater reaction from the other side. You can of course be ‘leave’ and still respect the EU, but believe the current action is not the right path to take...
Um....yes? Are you reading this and the other thread?
I've mentioned quite a few times on this board (including today) about how differently people would react to the same thing done by the EU/UK sides but for this particular occasion, the reaction has been almost universally critical of the EU, even by those who are amongst its biggest defenders on here.
They made a fecking stupid decision and somehow made the Tories look like the grown ups in the room, which is quite an achievement. They have thankfully noted their mistake (likely under severe pressure from the national capitals, especially Dublin) before it could escalate any further.
Tell us?
You said the reason you hated the EU was because it was a political union ,as is the UK, so...
Nar, it’s because huge swathes of media, many in the current government and Nige have made it an “Us v Them” fight, and people like vidic here see a fight as hating the other and wanting it destroyed.
It has nothing to do with redcafe.
I don't think so. I've seen this particular line of thinking in real life, on the Spurs forum I used to post on before (which, populated mostly by middle aged, white Southerners had a rather different political slant than this one) and in politics. It isn't just a reaction to what's on here, though the debate has hardened opinion on here to the extent that most posters seem unable or unwilling to acknowledge much fault on 'their side'.
You can of course re the bolded but that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the likes of vidic, some of the other people I know, Farage (how could I forget him!?), who genuinely seem to want not just the UK to leave but want to see the EU totally and utterly fail. Not to see European countries fail but to see the organisation of the EU fail. It seems to be a genuine hatred.
I can't imagine wanting something like that to fail unless they'd done something really horrific to my country or to me. So.....what is it?
The UK did not sign up to a political union, and didn't vote for it in 1975. It was imposed on us.
Does anyone actually acknowledge a historic EU climbdown here?
Kinda like India.
Oh dear you just killed every democratic argument on Redcafe.
You're just trolling at this point: you're not responding to actual criticism, just saying controversial stuff where you think you can score your points.
Hate to say this three times, but, the EU climbed down. Anyone care to comment?
You haven't read the Treaty of Rome dated 1957 ,which was posted earlier , I voted for it in 1975 , brilliant.
If the UK wanted to leave, fine, but don't say I didn't warn you of the consequences.
The other difference is the UK could leave the EU when they wanted after triggering A50, if Scotland want to leave they can't unless Westminster say so. Prisoners.
Dude, everyone is acknowledging the EU did something really dumb and had to quickly backtrack. They seem to be saying that themselves.
I'll ask again by the way how it affected your day to day life in your opinion. You say you want debate and mock people for this being a remain echo chamber yet you seem more interested in asking rhetorical questions and engaging in silly insults rather than actually engaging in any discussion.
Beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetle.....
Amazing. Do you actually understand the significance of the climbdown?
Instead of accusing me of trolling, what does the climbdown mean?
Yep, commented above (as have most posters) which you just ignored and you simply repeated the question again.
Have you read through the thread?
You’ll be threadbanned shortly for spamming.
Climbing down is a good thing, admitting mistakes I find admirable, something the feckwits at No. 10 wouldn’t even do when they voted AGAINST free school meals for the poor.
You asked the question thrice now, and @africanspur already indicated that this is being discussed in the AZ/EU thread - where people are calling on Von der Leyen to resign over this. (In case you care, I agreed over there.) You'd have noticed that if you actually cared. Hence why I say you're trolling.
The EU didn't do something dumb, it acted in desperation. Why?
Fair post. I have a great deal of respect for the EIU, and what’s been achieved since it’s inception. I voted to leave - but quite frankly I don’t want to be associated with other people who voted to leave - that’s not a characteristic that defines me. I can, and do appreciate the value of the EU.
in the same way, I don’t believe in a greater power/ gods or similar - but I really do resent if anyone puts me in an atheist box.I don’t want to be associated with a group of people based off of a (often vaguely) similar belief.
If this is true, I didn't know. Hadn't visited that thread. Doesn't it show how significant the error is, and how I understood it?
This would be proof I'm not trolling, and how serious I understand the error to be. Yes?
Not really, since you posted the same question three times, and a fourth time in response to me, while @africanspur had already told you to check the other thread after your first post on this.
Somehow, I'm getting the impression here that maybe you should call it quits for the day. Which you're now confirming in your response to @Regulus Arcturus Black.
oh he’s drunk
If you want to thread ban me, I'm fine with this. This thread is a remainers hangout.
I'm going to say it a fifth time, The EU climbed down.
I'm still waiting for a significant response to this?
We're talking about a major embarrassing world political u-turn. What caused such a stupid decision to act, and reverse that action?
Desperation?
I'm going to say it a fifth time, The EU climbed down.
I'm still waiting for a significant response to this?
We're talking about a major embarrassing world political u-turn. What caused such a stupid decision to act, and reverse that action?
Desperation?
Not yet.
So glad for your well reasoned approach to this thread.
This is the Brexit thread. Feel free to discuss this further in the AZ/EU thread, where this discussion is taking place, and you'll find the responses you're looking for - as you've also been told five times by now.
Ok last chance, and if I'm still regarded as a troll, I'll leave this thread for good.
The EU made a major embarrassing political decision which was reversed within a few hours. What is the significance of this?
Desperation?
The EU made a major embarrassing political decision which was reversed within a few hours. What is the significance of this?
Desperation?
Honestly mate, I've no idea what you're trying to achieve here. Everyone has acknowledged the EU fecked up today, for reasons we don't yet understand. Not sure what you're trying to achieve with this line of posting but it does derail discussions. Maybe chill till more info comes out?