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Manchester United 1:0 West Ham United

Post-match discussion


Sun, 14 March 2021

Done and dusted. Was a struggle against a team that came for a 0-0 but got the 3 points in the end. WH didn’t deserve anything from that game. Obviously the game opened up a bit after United scored and we looked better as space developed. Take the points and move on. Some players could do with a rest.
 
Not sure why some are moaning about the performance, I thought we played quite well considering the cockneys just came to stink up the place and at this point in the season it’s all about results, however they come.
 
Great team performance! Maybe a few small negatives to take from the game, however decided to be 100% positive. WHU are no pushover so let's get that straight. Declan Rice best DM around at present. Wish we had him!
Maguire was outstanding.
Fred's best game in a utd shirt imo.
Shaw was brilliant yet again.
Bruno was class throughout. Gives us that cutting edge and showed great attitude for whole 93 mins.
Greenwood looking sharp and deserves to start games as he can only improve. Needs a goal!
Lindelöf looked solid and along with Shaw our most improved player. He's gone from being a donkey to being a top defender.
 
Meh performance, great result. Feel for Greenwood, he deserved a goal or two.
Maguire immense. Shaw cementing his place as the best LB in the league.
 
Watched the highlights back this morning and that confirmed my initial impression - we were excellent last night.

West Ham have been good this year, as evidenced by them being sat in 5th place and in with a genuine shout of Champions League football next year.

Despite that, they didn't have one meaningful shot on target and generally struggled to sustain any sort of possession or pressure.

We hit the post twice, Rashford missed a sitter and we were wasteful on the break. Yes, the goal we did score was slightly fortunate but we created more than enough in the game to deserve that luck.

Lindelöf, Maguire and Shaw were excellent, although I would like to see more from AWB in games were we have plenty of possession. Too often he takes an extra touch or is reluctant to make a forward pass and it kills our momentum down that right hand side.

McTominay and Fred were steady, if unspectacular. I thought Bruno did well, despite not getting his goal contribution and I thought Greenwood was outstanding. Rashford was OK but missed his big chance. James worked hard and make a few nice runs but we know he is a limited player.
 
Not sure why some are moaning about the performance, I thought we played quite well considering the cockneys just came to stink up the place and at this point in the season it’s all about results, however they come.
Agreed. They literally shut up shop. We were the only ones trying to entertain.
 
Ok performance, very good win.

We have the base of a very good team. Just a couple of pieces missing.

Maguire and Shaw were excellent.
 
I think when you boil it to down to the bare bones that performance last night is a good indicator of whether we have really 'progressed' as a team since the days of LVG/Mourinho. I think it shows that we have.

Remember back in those days teams wouldn't even think about parking the bus at Old Trafford. Visiting teams became fearless, attacked us, and made it hard for us. Back then, we couldn't counter, had little pace we could work with, and were toothless in attack. Teams (and good teams at that) now want to shut up shop against us. We just need need to evolve a little bit more and understand how to play these types of games. We'll never win the title again if we don't do that. It's coming though. For all the moaning we do on here I really think the current manager is getting it right over the longer term.
 
Great win, extending the gap with 5th place. I am good as long as we finish top 3. How we did not score more than 1 goal? Greenwood was good except scoring, Rushford is so average. Let's finish high and challenge for the league next year.
I love Rashford but wish he would spend half his time on the training pitch improving shooting with his left foot and the other half improving his heading into the goal.
 
Job done really, was pretty clear West Ham were going to try make it difficult. Not the prettiest of games but who cares at this point. Not conceding a stupid goal felt massive considering results around us this weekend.
 
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Who was Maguire telling to "do it fecking quick!" while defending our box? I want to see more of that leadership from him in particular.
 
Still no one can answer why Ole keeps on persisting with this defensive/negative double-pivot system?
 
Job done really, was pretty clear West Ham were going to try make it difficult. Not the prettiest of games but who cares at this point. Hanging on and not conceding a stupid goal felt massive considering results around us this weekend.
I think we did better than hanging on tbf! Didn’t resort to dropping too deep as we have in previous games. We actually attempted to control the game with possession. Much better way of doing it when we are the stronger side. Obviously against the citys of the world we will need to drop and hang on but we already proved we can last Sunday.
 
Seriously ? You want to claim that winning the Charity Shield against a team from the Championship is a trophy ?

But to say that a guy who has the record for most points won from losing positions has poor game management, doesn't sound too logical. Especially when you compare him to Moyes probably tried a lot to turn things around, but never succeeded.

who’s talking about the charity shield??

LVG won the FA Cup.
Mourinho won the League Cup and Europa League.

Solskjaer has bottled every single attempt at a trophy so far.

Moyes is a far better manager than he showed at United.

Do you honestly think that Solskjaer would have West Ham performing as well as they are under Moyes?
 
Good to see this turn out for at win. We may be lacking consistency still, but it has been years since we've felt some sort of cohesion of what goes on outside the pitch. The rebuild is still on, and this is definitely a much more positive season than the "race to second" under Mourinho. Improvement is clear. Fergie left a team in shambles which was deteoriatating through the years up until Ole. A lot to turn around, but Liverpool had so many of these tight 1-0 games last season, so its a positive for us considering West Ham's form and season overall.
 
With so many injuries and Rashford not even close to fit but had to play anyway, and WH having alot more rest than us I think it was a pretty good result , at least considering the big chances we got and how little WH created.

Was expecting a 0-0, so a bonus win for me, but a very necessary on.

If we get players back and keep it up Im hoping for 2nd, but 3rd with alot more points and less distance to top will also do it for me.
 
Moyes came with a game plan to frustrate and counter. It was always going to be difficult, but we were good value for the win. We looked far better than City did when West Ham visited them a couple of weeks ago and set up in a similar way.
 
I think we did better than hanging on tbf! Didn’t resort to dropping too deep as we have in previous games. We actually attempted to control the game with possession. Much better way of doing it when we are the stronger side. Obviously against the citys of the world we will need to drop and hang on but we already proved we can last Sunday.

Yeah hanging on was probably the wrong phrase to use. Wasnt quite that.

Changed it now cheers.
 
Was just happy to get over the line in this game for that cushion. I fully expect us to hold onto the top 4 at a minimum after that result as I don't fancy West Ham or Everton to do enough (getting 7-9 points more than us in during the run in).

On another day we probably win 2-0 and it's
even more comfortable, we weren't bad and our squad is a bit thin in terms of attacking & creative players right now. West Ham were awful offensively and we shut them down well.

I was convinced we'd slip up and draw this game, so hopefully the win gives us some confidence for the next two games. I actually fancy us to score more than 1 against Milan and Leicester if we can get some creative players back fit.
 
Last night was the ultimate in 'finding a way to win' performance, well done to all the lads.

I was particularly impressed with Maguire's performance; throughout, he was 'here there and everywhere' all night, snuffing out attacks, last line of defence (not needed much in first half admittedly!), pressing forward at times but covering for colleagues as well, and late on getting in some mighty blocks.

Moyes tactics most deplorable in terms of contributing to an entertaining game, but they almost worked. The 'stop United for 75-80 minutes then go hunting for winner in last ten minutes' seemed to be his view, but guess what we spoiled it by scoring (albeit an OG) straight from a corner.... statisticians out there, when did that last happen?
 
By blaming Moysie, people are starting to sound like Arsene Wenger when teams visit Arsenal and refuse to let Arsenal play the way they want to play.
He came to stop United and try to hit us a sucker punch. He was never going to open up so that we can hit him on the counter. He nearly got a draw and as others said it was an OG. He would have been extremely happy with a point.
We need to learn how to open up teams like this. Otherwise they is no point.
Ole seems to talk the talk but why he can't get us to play the way he talks is something I don't understand after almost two years in charge.
 
By blaming Moysie, people are starting to sound like Arsene Wenger when teams visit Arsenal and refuse to let Arsenal play the way they want to play.
He came to stop United and try to hit us a sucker punch. He was never going to open up so that we can hit him on the counter. He nearly got a draw and as others said it was an OG. He would have been extremely happy with a point.
We need to learn how to open up teams like this. Otherwise they is no point.
Ole seems to talk the talk but why he can't get us to play the way he talks is something I don't understand after almost two years in charge.

We did open them up a number of times and should have scored at least 1 or 2 more. We don't have an in-form goal scorer right now and it's making things tough. I think this will change soon.
 
I thought we played great especially that first half. It should have been a 2-0 or 3-0 scoreline and someday we will start scoring again.

- Shaw just awesome. Love that nifty move to get out of trouble around two opponents.
- That was the best Rashford looked in at least a month.
- Greenwood was very good and unlucky not to have scored.
- Defense, once again, was just immense and the best was Maguire.
- Henderson is no 1 for me because the defense looks much more comfortable knowing he will come out.
- Everyone looked pretty sharp and knew how important this match was. Thank you players and Ole.
- Very surprised Diallo didn't come in.
- Milan will watch this and be worried because when we want to play well we can.

Sorry you Ole haters, we have pretty much wrapped up top 4 and likely will finish 2nd. This means Ole will get a contract extension and be assured of another year. It's time to join the bandwagon.
Since when was finishing 2nd acceptable at United? We're 14 points off the top spot, in case you'd missed it. Is that enough of a reason to jump on the bandwagon? Definitely give him another year assuming we progress in the cups and maintain 2nd place, but the jury is absolutely still out on Ole.
 
Still no one can answer why Ole keeps on persisting with this defensive/negative double-pivot system?
Pogba would have started had he been fit. Matic played on Thursday. So who exactly do we have ?
 
I doubt anyone enjoyed the performance, but, to be fair, it is difficult to entertain when up against a side as relentlessly negative as that Hammers side. A massive three points, which is all that really matters at this stage of the season.
 
Shaw is one of the best players in the league at the moment. I feel daft for getting so mad about missing out on Reguilon.
 
This was a game we were supposed to lose. A team that decided to sit deep and deny us the chance to counter. A team that has an excellent record at scoring from set-pieces (which we tend to be crap at defending) A team that was fresher than us, having had more time to recover from their last match. And a team that’s been in good form and recently pushed City all the way.

The writing was on the wall. To win as comfortably as we did - with our keeper not needing to make a save - is actually very impressive. So, yet again, I’m finding the redcafe negativity very hard to understand. If you can’t even enjoy winning games what’s the fecking point?!
 
who’s talking about the charity shield??

LVG won the FA Cup.
Mourinho won the League Cup and Europa League.

Solskjaer has bottled every single attempt at a trophy so far.

Moyes is a far better manager than he showed at United.

Do you honestly think that Solskjaer would have West Ham performing as well as they are under Moyes?

I never mentioned Mourinho - I mentioned Moyes and LvG.

Of course Moyes isn't a bad manager - in the right kind of club. He was perfect for Everton, but you seem to forget he was a disaster at United, a disaster at Sociedad, a disaster at Sunderland and a disaster at West Ham in his first spell there. Before he took charge at West Ham for the 2nd time - he had won 56 games in 5.5 seasons, a win percentage of under 30 - and that includes one year at United. So maybe you are right - maybe OGS would not have taken West Ham to where they are today, but I can guarantee that Moyes would never take United to where they are today, so that goes both ways.

But just to clarify - you think we should have hired a more experienced manager who has won trophies, rather than Solskjaer ?
 
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It was a decent performance and an excellent result. Even by the normal bus parking parameters, West Ham did a job last night. A genuine 5 man defence with 3, THREE defensive midfielders in front is a set up any team would have difficulty breaking down. They barely ventured outside their half till after the goal. We moved it too slowly at times but created maybe 5 good chances, conceding not a single genuine opportunity to a rival for the top 4. We're watching Chelsea struggle to break teams down, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal. Everybody is tired, matches every 3 or 4 days, no crowds to boost the adrenaline. By any normal metrics, we're tipping along ok.
 
I thought it was a game of pretty poor quality in the main, but one that we absolutely deserved to win. Greenwood hitting the post and having another shot very well saved by the keeper, along with Rashford missing a sitter, made it more tense than it needed to be. Although saying that I don't think West Ham had a shot on target.

All in all, very decent considering how they set up initially. We normally feck these games up, so more than happy with that.
 
Since when was finishing 2nd acceptable at United? We're 14 points off the top spot, in case you'd missed it. Is that enough of a reason to jump on the bandwagon? Definitely give him another year assuming we progress in the cups and maintain 2nd place, but the jury is absolutely still out on Ole.

Please tell me you didn't really think we could win the league this year? We are 14 points off a great Man City team that could make history this year with a quadruple. That is acceptable to me this year and next year, with a couple of key additions, we should be able to compete with City and a full strength Liverpool.

Manchester United does not have a divine right to win titles and always compete for titles, period.
 
Please tell me you didn't really think we could win the league this year? We are 14 points off a great Man City team that could make history this year with a quadruple. That is acceptable to me this year and next year, with a couple of key additions, we should be able to compete with City and a full strength Liverpool.

Manchester United does not have a divine right to win titles and always compete for titles, period.

We unfortunately have some fans who think we should fire our manager every time we don't win the league.
 

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  • 22% Man Utd 2:1 West Ham
  • 19% Man Utd 1:1 West Ham
  • 16% Man Utd 1:0 West Ham
  • 11% Man Utd 2:0 West Ham
  • 7% Man Utd 0:0 West Ham
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  • 1% Man Utd 5:0 West Ham
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Possession
62% 38%
Shots
15 7
Shots on Target
4 0
Corners
6 3
Fouls
12 2

Referee

Martin Atkinson