There is nothing wrong with diving down the inside. Lots of overtakes are made in this way. As long as you make the corner and are ahead on exit, you are fine.
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So Silverstone was a racing incident.
As long as you leave space to a car alongside, which Max doesn't generally do as I clearly showed above. Seems like what you really mean is: "There is nothing wrong with Max diving down the inside".
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People have been crying for some feisty and competitive things to come back to the F1 and now it's back and people are complaining. It was a great and bold move from Lewis and he got away with it. This I like, rest of the season will be tight as feck and that's great.
Rest of the season will be very interesting. I think the Red Bull car is too fast for the Mercedes (the rule change worked) but I look forward to some more action.
However, I think the Red Bulls management teams reaction to the crash was excessive and will only make the racing more aggressive and possibly dangerous in the future.
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This is what every F1 fan in the world has been crying out for this and I loved seeing Lewis being reckless and aggressive and giving shit. Max and Red Bull have gotten under the Mercs skin and are really pissing them off. It's a game and Horner and Red Bull are rattling the cage here. Finally I am watching this with great interest again. If Red Bull play this right they will be crowned champions they seem to have a better kit and a fantastic talent in Max.
The next race will be interesting, Lewis and Max I expect to be front row and I would not be shocked for the same thing to happen again.
Well as a very casual F1 follower who started losing interest a couple of years ago, this has definitely peaked my interest again.
Rivalry and tight races is what this sport has been crying out for.. now we have it back, what's not to like.
Some on here did not see F1 in the 80s and 90's
https://drivetribe.com/p/ranking-f1...1_IPSay1wNQhh_jLPA?iid=dwzbblb0Riqxgl2nauIquA
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This is pathetic on RB part.
Red Bull motorsport boss Helmut Marko is reportedly determined to bring in a legal eagle to probe the FIA stewards' handling of the crash between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton in the British Grand Prix.
Hamilton was handed a 10-second penalty by the stewards for causing a collision when the two drivers clashed at Copse corner on the opening lap of last Sunday's race.
But the sanction didn't prevent the Mercedes driver from winning the race.
However, the Red Bull camp was unhappy with the stewards' decision, with Marko calling for an outright race ban on Hamilton in light of the Briton's "dangerous" move that sent Verstappen into the barriers.
"He [the lawyer] should check what you could do in such a situation within the framework of the sporting rules," Marko is quoted by Austria's Kronen Zeitung
"It was very lucky that nothing serious happened to Max, the car, and probably the engine too, is broken. You can't let that sit on you."
Regardless of the outcome of Red Bull's potential legal procedure, Marko believes a revision of the sporting rules and the stewards' system regarding in-race sanctions is in order, with harsher penalties to be considered.
"A suspension would be justified," Marko added. "But maybe the regulations are also to blame for being relatively restricted.
"The rules should be revised, including the stewards system. Perez got five seconds twice in Austria because there was marginal contact without anyone flying off.
"You could have given a drive-thru penalty plus ten seconds to Hamilton. But they didn't do that either.
"Max was on his line. Where Hamilton was he had to lift off the throttle. You cannot hit your opponent on the rear wheel in one of the fastest corners, the lightest touch has fatal consequences.
"So, an irresponsible action. Hamilton needs to know what the consequences are."
Red Bull motorsport boss Helmut Marko is reportedly determined to bring in a legal eagle to probe the FIA stewards' handling of the crash between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton in the British Grand Prix.
Hamilton was handed a 10-second penalty by the stewards for causing a collision when the two drivers clashed at Copse corner on the opening lap of last Sunday's race.
But the sanction didn't prevent the Mercedes driver from winning the race.
However, the Red Bull camp was unhappy with the stewards' decision, with Marko calling for an outright race ban on Hamilton in light of the Briton's "dangerous" move that sent Verstappen into the barriers.
"He [the lawyer] should check what you could do in such a situation within the framework of the sporting rules," Marko is quoted by Austria's Kronen Zeitung
"It was very lucky that nothing serious happened to Max, the car, and probably the engine too, is broken. You can't let that sit on you."
Regardless of the outcome of Red Bull's potential legal procedure, Marko believes a revision of the sporting rules and the stewards' system regarding in-race sanctions is in order, with harsher penalties to be considered.
"A suspension would be justified," Marko added. "But maybe the regulations are also to blame for being relatively restricted.
"The rules should be revised, including the stewards system. Perez got five seconds twice in Austria because there was marginal contact without anyone flying off.
"You could have given a drive-thru penalty plus ten seconds to Hamilton. But they didn't do that either.
"Max was on his line. Where Hamilton was he had to lift off the throttle. You cannot hit your opponent on the rear wheel in one of the fastest corners, the lightest touch has fatal consequences.
"So, an irresponsible action. Hamilton needs to know what the consequences are."
That seems ridiculous. There will be occasions where Verstappen does similar and where Hamilton does it again, that's literally what has always happened when people are driving on he limits in F1.
Also, the fact that Verstappen went off is down to luck (or lack of), so you can't use that to determine a penalty. If Verstappen had hit in a slightly different position it would be Hamilton's wheel which came off or both. Hamilton is a way better driver than I thought if he has managed to position the car in a way which means he knew that his car would be undamaged and Verstappen would go off. It's the same as Perez in Austria, slightly different contact and the result is totally different.
This is along read, but I like Brundle and this is very good read.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/2...JiAYofR-or-1LmwjnXKaEd94hiilH3or0-tEdrGl0S6bs
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/2...JiAYofR-or-1LmwjnXKaEd94hiilH3or0-tEdrGl0S6bs
So much for them calming down in the cold light of the morning. It's really pathetic and such hyperbole with 'fatal consequences' - and a great way to lose support from neutrals.
When you have Vettel, LeClerc and Hill all saying it was a racing incident it underlines that it was a marginal decision.
Max is a great driver, but this is making me hate RB so much I hope they don't win anything this year.
Are Red Bull worried Mercedes are going to find form now? They’re really going a bit OTT with this, I get stuff like this probably happens behind the scenes but it’s so public it’s a bit bizarre
on their own I agree, but with some Jager, they are good.Agreed.
I never liked their drinks either. Poison in a can.
Regardless I do find it a bit weird that if someone crashes (in this case Max) and the FIA deem someone else was (predominantly) at fault (in this case Hamilton) and the entire car including engine is ruined as a result that you don't get an extra engine penalty free.
Its Helmut Marko. what did you expect from that smug?
I agree with that. I was wondering how old the engine was, if it was in the first or second race that's not great for Red Bull.
I dont think so, Red Bull is still the fastest car on the grid, the Merc upgrades have got them a bit closer, but not enough to worry RB.
Carring this on is not good, every single move Lewis and Max make will be watched and over analyzed.
Max takes out Lewis, some will see it has payback, Lewis takes out Max again and they will be screaming for blood.
Max and Horner out burst after the race has not helped. F1 needs this rivalry and needs some aggression , without it F1 is nothing.
you make a very good point.
Judging on this season I thought the RB will be faster too which is why I was surprised quite how OTT they’ve been given I’d still have a lot of confidence they can see this season through
No doubt it will happen again. No necessarily at Hungary as its a RB specialist track. Max is in a hurry to win his first WDC. Then as he gets older the maturity will kick in and he will become more about "its a marathon rather than race" mentality" that lewis has and become more measured and surgical in his track battles (and a better driver for it).
Anyway i think Lewis will have a huge fight just to finish 2nd or 3rd at Hungary. As engine power is moot at that track, the speed the car can negotiate the corners will be paramount. RB i.e. Max will win easily. Perez is an unknown. Norris and Leclerc/Sainz could easily be on the podium as could someone like Gasly.
2nd and fastest lap is probably the very best lewis can get from that track. One of the few over the years that have never suited the Mercedes with its low speed corners.
He's the worst. Just retire ffs, you're 78 years old.
Red Bull really need to just draw a line under it, bit embarrassing to keep going on about it.
Then again they are just a drinks company.
Then again they are just a drinks company.
Well i stand corrected. I always though the hot conditions and low speed of hungary suited the RBs more.
I'm the opposite. I think he should get a grid penalty if he has to change his gearbox. Light the blue touch paper and stand well back.
As more ex and current drivers that say it’s a racing incident the sillier red bull look
RB are lawyering up?So that's Alonso, Leclerc, Hakkinen, Damon Hill, Chandok, Brundle all saying racing incident. Have I missed any?Another well respected ex driver, who says racing incident.
A lot of Hamilton fans on here really need to learn the rules of racing.
https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/
If the driver on the inside is ahead at corner exit, it is the duty of the driver on the outside to back out or take evasive action to avoid a collision.
Therefore, what Verstappen did to Hamilton at Imola and Spain was perfectly legitimate.
Now:
In this case, the attacker has only their front wing alongside the defender’s rear wheel. The defender has the right to the racing line. A collision at the apex is entirely the fault of the attacker.
This implies that the Silverstone collision would be Hamilton's fault even if Verstappen fully closed the door.
However, Verstappen did not close the door and left Hamilton room:
Slam dunk case, Hamilton's fault.
Appeal to authority is always a mediocre argument in almost any debate. However, it fails miserably when the ultimate authority (the FIA) ruled Hamilton predominantly at fault.
“The stewards reviewed video and telemetry evidence,” the stewards said.
“Cars 33 [Verstappen] and 44 [Hamilton] entered Turn 9 with Car 33 in the lead and Car 44 slightly behind and on the inside.
“Car 44 was on a line that did not reach the apex of the corner, with room available to the inside.
“When Car 33 turned into the corner, Car 44 did not avoid contact and the left front of Car 44 contacted the right rear of Car 33.
Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.”
FIA have a lot more camera angles, data, and telemetry than we do. Your appeal to authority has failed.