Vettel and AM were very clever there. May get away with it.
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Sorry guys. Seems like I set off a false alarm and the positions are all safe. Last paragraph here: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/w...it-hamilton-before-standing-restart-/6640674/
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Good.
A few are blatant. So it's down to the rules. Have they been changed? I wonder if Hamilton would have given up P1 if radio was allowed? Probably still a tough call.
If that’s the case then Mercedes strategists super messed up in the pit lane.
Good. I can't imagine what it would be like if Hamilton was handed the win
Question though - if Hamilton had come into the pits, with being first on the grid and their pits first in the garage, presumably he wouldn’t have been able to release given the trail of cars and would have lost some places anyway? For sure probably less than what they did do, but I guess an aspect?
Already dubbed the luckiest most overrated driver … so …
It would have been such a stupid rule though if it were the case.
Drivers Standing after 11 races
| Driver | Team | Wins | Points | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 4 | 192 |
| 2 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull | 5 | 186 |
| 3 | Lando Norris | McLaren | 0 | 113 |
| 4 | Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | 0 | 108 |
| 5 | Sergio Perez | Red Bull | 1 | 104 |
| 6 | Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 0 | 80 |
| 7 | Carlos Sainz Jr | Ferrari | 0 | 80 |
| 8 | Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren | 0 | 50 |
| 9 | Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin | 0 | 48 |
| 10 | Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | 0 | 47 |
| 11 | Esteban Ocon | Alpine | 1 | 39 |
| 12 | Fernando Alonso | Alpine | 0 | 36 |
| 13 | Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | 0 | 18 |
| 14 | Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri | 0 | 16 |
| 15 | Nicholas Latifi | Williams | 0 | 4 |
| 16 | George Russell | Williams | 0 | 2 |
| 17 | Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | 0 | 1 |
| 18 | Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | 0 | 1 |
| 19 | Mick Schumacher | Haas | 0 | 0 |
| 20 | Nikita Mazepin | Haas | 0 | 0 |
Toto says they had calculated Hamilton would have been 6th if he had pitted due to not being able to release into the train of cars. I guess they were hoping the inters would build up a bit of a gap for 3 laps before it dried completely.
His pathetic detractors would just use it as another stick to beat him with. But thankfully it looks like Ocon and Alpine were within the rules.
Yeah. I think someone posted above he'd have come out in about p8?
Constructors Standings after Race 11
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| Position | Team | Wins | Points |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mercedes | 4 | 300 |
| 2 | Red Bull | 6 | 290 |
| 3 | McLaren | 0 | 163 |
| 4 | Ferrari | 0 | 160 |
| 5 | Alpine | 1 | 75 |
| 6 | Aston Martin | 0 | 66 |
| 7 | AlphaTauri | 0 | 63 |
| 8 | Williams | 0 | 6 |
| 9 | Alfa Romeo | 0 | 2 |
| 10 | Haas | 0 | 0 |
Champion usually picks garage position next year right? I wonder why they pick the nearest to put entry? Nice straight entry I suppose? But last looks attractive now? Though last gets jammed during quali?
I was going to say, it wasn't a formation lap in the intent and purposes of the start of the race. It's a red flag restart.
The winning constructor gets the first pit boxes for the following season.
That the entire field has to change tires on a formation/safety car lap is so rare that I don't think it's a factor when it comes to choosing your pit garage.
Ah, of course.
Still looks like Red Bull have the better car, even with the Mercedes upgrades. Admittedly it's really difficult to tell, given that Max hasn't managed a full lap outside of the sprint race, but in that he was able to pull away.
Still, those upgrades (along with a couple of accidents taking out Max) have given us a real title fight, much more exciting than it looked before Silverstone when RB were miles ahead.
Still, those upgrades (along with a couple of accidents taking out Max) have given us a real title fight, much more exciting than it looked before Silverstone when RB were miles ahead.
Hamilton suffering from long COVID too.
Ouch, that will be gutting for Aston Martin.
Really? That's just shitty.
Is this a straight DQ?
Ugh. If it's taken away I'm pleased be didn't "win" after all. That would have been gut wrenching.
Russell at risk of dsq as well. Further proof Seb and him are the two most cursed drivers on the grid.
'f bombs' is a very anglophone perspective on language though. For a Dutch person, there is nothing controversial about this: 'feck' isn't a very strong word and 'fecking' isn't either; people use it relatively liberally in their English. To me, Verstappen looked calme and just made wanted to make sure his comment was really clear, and that's also what he confirmed afterwards.Did he do it in a normal calm way or did he drop multiple f bombs?
Either way, if anything, him wording things strongly to make clear that he wants to move on from the subject makes clear that he's focusing on the race.
Pretty much from what I know yes.
Hate who?
Everyone is guessing Russell because he stopped on track…but so did Ocon after doing a few laps celebrating…
Sebastian Vettel could lose his hard-earned runner up spot in the Hungarian Grand Prix, following a shortfall of fuel onboard the German driver's Aston Martin at the end of the race.
The FIA requires that all cars must complete the distance of a Grand Prix with at least one litre of fuel remaining in the tank to allow for a sampling and control.
However, FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer has informed the stewards that only 300ml of fuel were extracted from the Aston Martin's fuel tank, therefore putting Vettel at risk of a disqualification.
"After the race it was checked on car number 5 whether a 1.0 litre sample of fuel could be taken from the car," read Bauer's notice.
"It was possible to take only a 0.3 litre sample following the procedures layed out [Sic] in Article 6.6.4 of the 2021 Formula One Technical Regulations.
"Therefore I am referring this matter to the stewards for their consideration, as this is not in compliance with Article 6.6.2 of the 2021 Formula One Technical Regulations."
The FIA requires that all cars must complete the distance of a Grand Prix with at least one litre of fuel remaining in the tank to allow for a sampling and control.
However, FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer has informed the stewards that only 300ml of fuel were extracted from the Aston Martin's fuel tank, therefore putting Vettel at risk of a disqualification.
"After the race it was checked on car number 5 whether a 1.0 litre sample of fuel could be taken from the car," read Bauer's notice.
"It was possible to take only a 0.3 litre sample following the procedures layed out [Sic] in Article 6.6.4 of the 2021 Formula One Technical Regulations.
"Therefore I am referring this matter to the stewards for their consideration, as this is not in compliance with Article 6.6.2 of the 2021 Formula One Technical Regulations."
Hamilton
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Lewis Hamilton had to be attended to by a Mercedes team doctor following the Hungarian GP as he suffered with fatigue and mild dizziness.
Hamilton endured a chaotic afternoon in Budapest on Sunday, storming through from the back to third place - involved in intense wheel-to-wheel battles with other drivers throughout the race.
Afterwards, he was visibly exhausted on the podium, unable to join in the celebrations for Esteban Ocon's first win.
Mercedes confirmed Hamilton's symptoms after he missed much of his post-race media and the start of the press conference:
The seven-time world champion then revealed his struggles.
"I'm OK, yeah," he said after joining the press conference. "I had real dizziness and then got a bit blurry on the podium."
Hamilton endured a chaotic afternoon in Budapest on Sunday, storming through from the back to third place - involved in intense wheel-to-wheel battles with other drivers throughout the race.
Afterwards, he was visibly exhausted on the podium, unable to join in the celebrations for Esteban Ocon's first win.
Mercedes confirmed Hamilton's symptoms after he missed much of his post-race media and the start of the press conference:
The seven-time world champion then revealed his struggles.
"I'm OK, yeah," he said after joining the press conference. "I had real dizziness and then got a bit blurry on the podium."
What makes you think I hate Hamilton? I'm a Verstappen fan obviously, but I don't hate Hamilton at all. I think he's a fantastic driver, one of the best ever. I don't however think he's some kind of saint who can do no wrong like many on here seem to do. And I don't see why me thinking Hamilton wasn't DOTD (which is in line with the results of the poll btw) makes you think I hate him? Bit weird that
Max could have been out of sight.
To call Max fortunate in any regard when he's had at least 42 points robbed from him in just Baku and Hungary, not even counting Silverstone, is absurd.
What makes you think I hate Hamilton? I'm a Verstappen fan obviously, but I don't hate Hamilton at all. I think he's a fantastic driver, one of the best ever. I don't however think he's some kind of saint who can do no wrong like many on here seem to do. And I don't see why me thinking Hamilton wasn't DOTD (which is in line with the results of the poll btw) makes you think I hate him? Bit weird that
Fair play. I’ve just seen a lot of negative posts from you about him since silverstone. I’ve obviously read your support of Max as dislike of Lewis. Apologies
Every time I watch a race there is a red flag
I’ve watched about 3 races in the last 2-3 years and weirdly they’ve all ended up getting stopped.
I’ve watched about 3 races in the last 2-3 years and weirdly they’ve all ended up getting stopped.