F1 2021 Season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Nice for Verstappen to win here. The hype has been crazy, can imagine that puts a bit of pressure on someone.
Boring race though.
Boring race though.
Very dominant performance by Max and Red Bull. Love to watch a race here with the old F1 cars.
Typical Crashstappen fan
That would be some marketing move!You won't be saying that next year watching the Max Verstappen Dutch GP 2022
there was literally zero over takes that weren’t aided by newer tyres.
the only thing that made this race half watchable was the high degradation.
if they keep coming here in the future they need to make sure they use the softest tyres possible to take away 1 stop strategy.
it wasn’t pitting again which was the issue, it was the fact they put him into traffic.
wait 1/2 laps longer and he’s passed the ricciardo train and flying in free air.
the minute they put him behind other cars completely destroyed the under cut advantage, that’s why he’s annoyed.
he said himself the tyres were fine to keep pushing, they had zero reasons to pit him that early other than they miscalculated it and fecked it up.
Lewis also said Max 'drove a fantastic race' and admitted he 'couldn't get anywhere near him', but I guess those quotes don't fit your agenda.
Only when he wins. "Great job guys, absolutely stunning. Bono, the pit crew, the boys back at the factory, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Couldn't have done it without the amazing team."
Or else its just "fecks sake I said these tires were worn out, I have no grip Bono" etc.
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Everyone has an agenda for some of the hammerheads
True, I’m just hoping with the new cars next year, Ferrari can finally get there act together and offer some real competition to RB and the mercs
I do agree.
I won't lie. I don't like Hamilton so I am an anyone but fan, but I really like Norris.
It's a shame talent like Norris and Leclerc have to rely on teams getting their acts together.
The fact that Merc and Red bull have talent pools, these guys will always find it tough to get a look in, so it needs more competition
To be honest, I root for Hamilton against Verstappen because he's English, but I'm not that huge of a fan of him. Leclerc is my favourite driver.
Massive respect to Lewis this whole weekend.
Two of the most undeserving and untalented drivers I’ve seen in a long while.
He was just bitching and moaning the whole race but in reality his car wasn’t as fast as the Red Bull’s. Just suck it and move on and complain less next time.
This is literally how every driver talks.
When the car is good they're happy, when it's not working well they moan and want more grip or power.
I've heard Max say it constantly, especially last year when he couldn't get close to the Mercs.
Dutch GP Result
| Rank | Driver | Number | Team | Grid | Pits | Fastest Lap | Race Time | PointsPts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Max Verstappen | 33 | Red Bull | 1 | 2 | 1:13.275 | 1:30:05.395 | 25 |
| 2 | Lewis Hamilton | 44 | Mercedes | 2 | 3 | fastest overall lap 1:11.097 | 20.932 behind | 19 |
| 3 | Valtteri Bottas | 77 | Mercedes | 3 | 2 | 1:12.549 | 56.460 behind | 15 |
| 4 | Pierre Gasly | 10 | AlphaTauri | 4 | 1 | 1:14.818 | 1 lap behind | 12 |
| 5 | Charles Leclerc | 16 | Ferrari | 5 | 1 | 1:14.780 | 1 lap behind | 10 |
| 6 | Fernando Alonso | 14 | Alpine | 9 | 1 | 1:14.323 | 1 lap behind | 8 |
| 7 | Carlos Sainz Jnr | 55 | Ferrari | 6 | 1 | 1:15.260 | 1 lap behind | 6 |
| 8 | Sergio Perez | 11 | Red Bull | not available | 2 | 1:13.461 | 1 lap behind | 4 |
| 9 | Esteban Ocon | 31 | Alpine | 8 | 1 | 1:14.675 | 1 lap behind | 2 |
| 10 | Lando Norris | 4 | McLaren | 13 | 1 | 1:14.236 | 1 lap behind | 1 |
| 11 | Daniel Ricciardo | 3 | McLaren | 10 | 1 | 1:14.920 | 1 lap behind | 00 |
| 12 | Lance Stroll | 18 | Aston Martin | 12 | 1 | 1:15.611 | 2 laps behind | 00 |
| 13 | Sebastian Vettel | 5 | Aston Martin | 15 | 2 | 1:13.958 | 2 laps behind | 00 |
| 14 | Antonio Giovinazzi | 99 | Alfa Romeo | 7 | 2 | 1:15.125 | 2 laps behind | 00 |
| 15 | Robert Kubica | 88 | Alfa Romeo | 16 | 1 | 1:15.442 | 2 laps behind | 00 |
| 16 | Nicholas Latifi | 6 | Williams | not available | 1 | 1:15.790 | 2 laps behind | 00 |
| 17 | George Russell | 63 | Williams | 11 | 2 | 1:15.628 | 3 laps behind | 00 |
| 18 | Mick Schumacher | 47 | Haas | 17 | 2 | 1:15.927 | 3 laps behind | 00 |
| not classified | Yuki Tsunoda | 22 | AlphaTauri | 14 | 1 | 1:15.783 | did not finish completed 48 laps | 00 |
| not classified | NikitMazepin | 9 | Haas | 18 | 1 | 1:16.066 | did not finish completed 41 laps | 00 |
Drivers and Constructors after Race 13
| 1 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull | 77 | 224.5 |
| 2 | Lewis HamiltonL | Mercedes | 44 | 221.5 |
| 3 | Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | 00 | 123 |
| 4 | Lando Norris | McLaren | 00 | 114 |
| 5 | Sergio Perez | Red Bull | 11 | 108 |
| 6 | Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 00 | 92 |
| 7 | Carlos Sainz Jr | Ferrari | 00 | 89.5 |
| 8 | Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | 00 | 66 |
| 9 | Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren | 00 | 56 |
| 10 | Fernando Alonso | Alpine | 00 | 46 |
| 11 | Esteban Ocon | Alpine | 11 | 44 |
| 12 | Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin | 00 | 35 |
| 13 | Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri | 00 | 18 |
| 14 | Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | 00 | 18 |
| 15 | George Russell | Williams | 00 | 13 |
| 16 | Nicholas Latifi | Williams | 00 | 7 |
| 17 | Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | 00 | 2 |
| 18 | Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | 00 | 1 |
| 19 | Mick Schumacher | Haas | 00 | 0 |
| 20 | Nikita Mazepin | Haas | 00 | 0 |
| 21 | Robert Kubica | Alfa Romeo | 00 | 0 |
| 1 | Mercedes | 4 | 344.5 |
| 2 | Red Bull | 8 | 332.5 |
| 3 | Ferrari | 0 | 181.5 |
| 4 | McLaren | 0 | 170 |
| 5 | Alpine | 1 | 90 |
| 6 | AlphaTauri | 0 | 84 |
| 7 | Aston Martin | 0 | 53 |
| 8 | Williams | 0 | 20 |
| 9 | Alfa Romeo | 0 | 3 |
| 10 | Haas | 0 | 0 |
Brilliantly done by Gasly once again. I'm surprised actually that he's only 8th in the standings. Must be selective memory on my part (only remembering when he ends this high in a race).
Not the best GP to watch. The RBs were ridiculously fast today.
Mercedes should just put Russell in the Mercedes now, bottas is utterly useless. So far off the pace its ridiculous. If Perez hadn't screwed up qually it could have been a RB 1-2 today, they were that good today.
Mercedes should just put Russell in the Mercedes now, bottas is utterly useless. So far off the pace its ridiculous. If Perez hadn't screwed up qually it could have been a RB 1-2 today, they were that good today.
Max/RB very impressive today, extremely strong weekend.
I enjoyed the race in the same way you might enjoy a good 0-0 draw. Potential strategies kept it interesting & the track/crowd was cool.
Hope they can tweak the DRS zones next year to allow closer following. This track seems more aero sensitive than most, as soon as anyone got within 3 secs they suffered badly. New regs should help with that.
Merc are usually very strong at Monza. Should be another close battle next weekend.
I enjoyed the race in the same way you might enjoy a good 0-0 draw. Potential strategies kept it interesting & the track/crowd was cool.
Hope they can tweak the DRS zones next year to allow closer following. This track seems more aero sensitive than most, as soon as anyone got within 3 secs they suffered badly. New regs should help with that.
Merc are usually very strong at Monza. Should be another close battle next weekend.
Wtf?!? Bottas took away fastest lap from lewis. Jesus. Fire the twat already.
Edit: lewis got it on last lap. Bloody hell thay was close. Excellent drive from max. That RB is a brilliant car this year.
Edit: lewis got it on last lap. Bloody hell thay was close. Excellent drive from max. That RB is a brilliant car this year.
he’s had a few early DNFs, some bad strategy calls too. when it all aligns for him though he’s clearly very quick and suited to that car.
You suspect he will be Alpines next target to replace Alonso in 2 years if he keeps it up.
Well put , never thought of it in those terms.
Merc crying over the radio to Bottas to not take fastest lap was the highlight of the race. My god the cringe.
What happened to mazeshit to dnf?
His move on Schumacher at the start of the race was a joke. Mick needs to get the feck out of there ASAP.
If the car is remotely good next season and Mick performs, can see Carlos getting yeeted out.
No idea why smooth operator took that role. He was never going to be anything more than a back up driver to leclerc.
His move on Schumacher at the start of the race was a joke. Mick needs to get the feck out of there ASAP.
If the car is remotely good next season and Mick performs, can see Carlos getting yeeted out.
No idea why smooth operator took that role. He was never going to be anything more than a back up driver to leclerc.
not their finest moment, Bottas told not to go for fastest lap, he asked why, he was pissed and went for the fastest lap, for once actually showed some balls.
I thought they strategy was OK , they tried to do something, it never worked, pit one was slow, lost nearly a second, pit 2 was badly timed, needed to be a lap or 2 later, who knows if they had got them right.
For the first time this season, I can see that RB really have Mercedes rattled.
Yes we know the high and low rake each team are using gives the advantage to RB, along with other changes, but Mercedes are definitely on the back foot.
If not for Baku, Silverstone and Hungary, I’d be well and truly calling this season for Max. He’d arguably be 75 points ahead by now.
I have a feeling that at some point this year, karma will bite merc in the arse.
Either Lewis will get taken out like max did at Hungary or they’ll have an engine blow up like Schumacher at Suzuka in 2006. Too much has gone in their favour.
Agree with you, Max could be well ahead.
I have said it before, but I think Mercedes have given up on the season, maybe it the rule changes, the high rake thing, I am not sure.
Maybe they have something big planned for next season, something to blow the others out of the water, only time will tell.
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They couldn't wait for the perfect moment as they like everyone else had heard RB's radio message to Max that he should wring out the last of his tires, so they knew he was pitting very soon. If they waited longer then Max could've pitted before/at the same time as Lewis so there was no miscalculation, they simply had to choose between either bringing him in right away or wait for a better window but potentially miss the chance for an undercut altogether.
I think they did the right thing as I'd rather take a bad shot at an undercut than risking not getting the chance at all.
In the time I’ve watched f1, the only time I’ve ever seen that pay off big time was Brawn GP. You always hear about it (McLaren 2004) Toyota (every season) etc but it generally doesn’t work.
I think with McLaren in 2003 they didn’t even releases the updated MP, they just did a B variant while they waited for 2004 which ultimately proved to be extremely unreliable until late 2004 and didn’t really offer much at all up until Germany/Spa where Kimi’s rear wing decided to yeet itself from the car.
2014 was simply just having the Merc engine in the best chassis carrying a Merc engine.
I wouldn’t be surprised if next years Merc is a dud. Just has that feeling that F1 about to get re-ordered. Red bill IMO will still be the team to beat next year as I think Adrian still does the best chassis development in the game.
I do agree that Adrian at Red Bull is such a huge thing I'm surprised its not talked about more, this guy has bags of experience of ground effect cars and he's probably been sitting at his drawing board for 2 years working on something whilst the rest of the equally capable team worked on the 2020/21 cars. Let's be honest the regulation changes this year swung massively toward Red Bull and were aimed at taking away Mercedes advantage, with Merc seemingly not that bothered about winning at all costs it's lead to a big chance for Red Bull/Max.
It feels like Max's year and it won't be his last title either. Max will win the WDC and Mercedes will probably win the WCC just because Perez blows hot and cold and lately mostly cold.
Next year is big for the sport, if we get to the mid way point with one team dominating then it's going to piss off fans again.
It feels like Max's year and it won't be his last title either. Max will win the WDC and Mercedes will probably win the WCC just because Perez blows hot and cold and lately mostly cold.
Next year is big for the sport, if we get to the mid way point with one team dominating then it's going to piss off fans again.
I don’t think they’ve given up, but clearly the technical rules this year have limited their car. they’ve been handed a handicap that they literally cannot change or improve, so the RB design will always be better for certain tracks.
Monza will be a lot closer + actually allow some overtaking attempts. at points hamilton was catching max but whenever you get within a few seconds the dirty air made it almost impossible.
Agree with this. I didn’t watch as much through the Vettel/Red bull years as I did before or since. It’s easier to justify watching when, even if the race isn’t great, there’s a good chance your guy will win.
I can absolutely see myself switching to watching race replays/highlights mostly if it’s not just uncompetitive, but lacking excitement.
Will Perez stay in RB? They seem to have trouble finding the right 2nd .
Russell to Mercedes it is then, let’s go.