Oops I think Lewis thought he would be taking the penalty tomorrow, not on Sunday 
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Brazil GP Qualifying result
| Rank | Driver | Number | Team | Qualifying 1Q1 | Qualifying 2Q2 | Qualifying 3Q3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Lewis Hamilton | 44 | Mercedes | fastest lap 1:08.733 | fastest lap 1:08.068 | fastest lap 1:07.934 |
| 2 | Max Verstappen | 33 | Red Bull | 1:09.329 | 1:08.499 | 1:08.372 |
| 3 | Valtteri Bottas | 77 | Mercedes | 1:09.040 | 1:08.426 | 1:08.469 |
| 4 | Sergio Perez | 11 | Red Bull | 1:09.172 | 1:08.973 | 1:08.483 |
| 5 | Pierre Gasly | 10 | AlphaTauri | 1:09.347 | 1:08.903 | 1:08.777 |
| 6 | Carlos Sainz Jnr | 55 | Ferrari | 1:09.046 | 1:09.083 | 1:08.826 |
| 7 | Charles Leclerc | 16 | Ferrari | 1:09.155 | 1:08.859 | 1:08.960 |
| 8 | Lando Norris | 4 | McLaren | 1:09.365 | 1:09.030 | 1:08.980 |
| 9 | Daniel Ricciardo | 3 | McLaren | 1:09.374 | 1:09.093 | 1:09.039 |
| 10 | Fernando Alonso | 14 | Alpine | 1:09.391 | 1:09.137 | 1:09.113 |
| 11 | Esteban Ocon | 31 | Alpine | 1:09.430 | 1:09.189 | not available- |
| 12 | Sebastian Vettel | 5 | Aston Martin | 1:09.451 | 1:09.399 | not available- |
| 13 | Yuki Tsunoda | 22 | AlphaTauri | 1:09.350 | 1:09.483 | not available- |
| 14 | Kimi Raikkonen | 7 | Alfa Romeo | 1:09.598 | 1:09.503 | not available- |
| 15 | Antonio Giovinazzi | 99 | Alfa Romeo | 1:09.342 | 1:10.227 | not available- |
| 16 | Lance Stroll | 18 | Aston Martin | 1:09.663 | not available- | not available- |
| 17 | Nicholas Latifi | 6 | Williams | 1:09.897 | not available- | not available- |
| 18 | George Russell | 63 | Williams | 1:09.953 | not available- | not available- |
| 19 | Mick Schumacher | 47 | Haas | 1:10.329 | not available- | not available- |
| 20 | Nikita Mazepin | 9 | Haas | 1:10.589 | not available- | not available- |
Hamilton forgot there’s a sprint race tomorrow hope he turns up
Hamilton forgot there’s a sprint race tomorrow hope he turns up
Hamilton reported to the stewards for a DRS infringement. This season is crazy
Crofty is tweeting this, And when I say “back of the grid or pit lane start” my understanding is that it would be for The Sprint (Saturday) as qualifying today forms the grid for The Sprint not for the Grand Prix (Sunday)
"The uppermost rear wing element adjustable positions were checked on car number 44 for compliance with article 3.6.3 of the 2021 Formula One technical regulations," read a statement on Friday evening.
"The requirement for the minimum distance was fulfilled. But the requirement for the maximum of 85mm, when the DRS system is deployed and tested in accordance with TD/011-19, were not fulfilled.
"I am referring this matter to the stewards for their consideration."
Horner will be all over this!
Would this make Lewi's car that much faster ?It must be mm's but less drag is less drag, if found guilty DQ from qualifying is the only punishment.
"The requirement for the minimum distance was fulfilled. But the requirement for the maximum of 85mm, when the DRS system is deployed and tested in accordance with TD/011-19, were not fulfilled.
"I am referring this matter to the stewards for their consideration."
Horner will be all over this!
Would this make Lewi's car that much faster ?It must be mm's but less drag is less drag, if found guilty DQ from qualifying is the only punishment.
Depends.. don't know how much more it opened. Any margin for error? Would be harsh to make him start from pit lane if it opened like .5mm too far or something
yeh i think he would start at the back of the sprint grid , then get 5 grid penalty after that
I agree, but rules are rules and if broken there must be punishment.
Start at the back in the sprint , he is not getting in the top 3 and then the 5 place grid drop, could down to 8th or lower for the race.
what if he finishes 15 th in the sprint?
I say he’ll get away with it, Ferrari got away with endplates or intake ducts years ago, they won’t want the championship won like that
A DQ for that can't be right. You get a 5 position penalty for using a 5th engine when only 3 is allowed, same thing if you go for your 6-7-8-9-10th engine, but your DRS being opened X mm too much gives you a DQ? Insane if true.
starts 20th
I would tend to agree , Crofty is normally pretty good with his calls.
I guess if it's considered 'cheating' then the punishment would be more than an engine change for that reason. Seems harsh though.
I want to see how much more it is open first and how much less drag.
I doubt it would account for 4/10ths faster, would it, I dont know.
If your car is outside of the permitted rules then you're disqualified, simple.
It's no different than running bigger brakes or using 6 wheels. If your car is out of the spec allowed you're chucked out.
Now how they prove it, and whether Mercedes would be stupid enough to try that trick? i'm not sure. Quite possibly a mechanical failure which if proved they should get away with it.
It will definitely be a huge moment in the championship. It would be hard enough to catch Max starting 6th, but any lower than that and he has no chance.
I hope they have a reason for it. Because it would be such a great shame for something like this to put to bed the championship.
Obviously, you can’t not punish Mercedes for that. If they’ve broken the rules then they’ve broken the rules. It would be such a shame though.
Obviously, you can’t not punish Mercedes for that. If they’ve broken the rules then they’ve broken the rules. It would be such a shame though.
They needed to do something they didn't stand a chance in Mexico. If they broke the rules they should get disqualified no if's and but's about it.
Very strange, no decision until the morning. How long does it take? Technical infringements can be pretty harsh remember Vettel and the fuel issue.
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Now Max has been summoned for inspecting and touching the merc car after qualifying. Quite ridiculous scenes, could you imagine Merc blaming him for it.
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Now Max has been summoned for inspecting and touching the merc car after qualifying. Quite ridiculous scenes, could you imagine Merc blaming him for it.
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I dont see a problem with him looking, seen Lewis , Seb to it and others many time, but did he touch it, not sure he did, but even if he did, does anybody really thing he damaged something, I dont not for a second.
Anymore penalty's for Lewis and the title is effectively over for him.
Its been a good battle this season, dont want to see it ruined by this .
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The hearing has been adjourned to Saturday in Brazil while stewards "await further evidence that will not be available until the morning".
Shortly after that communication was sent out by the FIA late on Friday night, Max Verstappen was called in a separate summons to appear before the stewards on Saturday at 12.30pm GMT for a possible breach of parc ferme rules after qualifying.
Shortly after that communication was sent out by the FIA late on Friday night, Max Verstappen was called in a separate summons to appear before the stewards on Saturday at 12.30pm GMT for a possible breach of parc ferme rules after qualifying.
Max interfered with the offending item.
Unrelated to the latest kerfuffle, just more of a general sentiment, but I don’t think there are a duo in professional sport that I dislike more than Horner and Verstappen.
As if what Max did could have any effect on the rear wing positionMax interfered with the offending item.
There's not much to what Verstappen did, apparently the rules are no "checking" of cars in Parc Ferme.
Don’t touch another car, simple as that.
Merc’s infringement seems like a slam dunk penalty, the title race will be over barring major incident now.
Merc’s infringement seems like a slam dunk penalty, the title race will be over barring major incident now.
It would be a shame if this penalty decided the fate of the championship.
Pantomime season in full swing 
Christ this would be a lame season decider.
Yeah if the wing was illegal there has to be a punishment
Equally if max inspected somebody's car that's also a rule infringement and should also incur the appropriate punishment
Best case scenario I'd love to see them both charging through the field from the pit lane... chuck in some rain part way through the gp and a drying track towards the end
Stick them both at the back of the grid.
Surely Max will get no more than a fine/warning here?
Lewis' one is looking like a slam dunk DSQ.
Lewis' one is looking like a slam dunk DSQ.
They should televise the stewards enquiries
I for one would enjoy watching toto say that all they know is the car was inspected and legal before the qualifying session but after seeing max tamper with the wing on 2 cars in park ferme it is now apparently out of tolerance
Whilst horner suggests sending a red bull round with a drs that matches Hamiltons to show its worth 0.5 seconds a lap
I for one would enjoy watching toto say that all they know is the car was inspected and legal before the qualifying session but after seeing max tamper with the wing on 2 cars in park ferme it is now apparently out of tolerance
Whilst horner suggests sending a red bull round with a drs that matches Hamiltons to show its worth 0.5 seconds a lap
The drama this season is something else
Why would Mercedes send Lewis out with an illegal wing ? They clearly know it would be checked.
Max touching/ checking the wing is equally as daft, he knew he would be seen.
If Toto can prove it was legal before the start, what next ?
I don't for one second think Max changed anything.
If the race is decided by this, it will be a farce.
Max touching/ checking the wing is equally as daft, he knew he would be seen.
If Toto can prove it was legal before the start, what next ?
I don't for one second think Max changed anything.
If the race is decided by this, it will be a farce.
Looks pretty definitive. Maybe Merc thought they could get one over and/or didn't check properly themselves? Mechanical failure seems unlikely since it was working as intended and was fully closed as per the initial findings.
There's no way Max could have changed anything; those wings are build to withstand 800 kilos of downforce. Agreed that it was daft but in all probability as well he was checking the extent to which the rear wing was bending - as that was what Red Bull had flagged up. Still stupid but given that Seb has gotten away with touching cars for years it'd be a bit ridiculous for the FIA to come down hard on him.