Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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Amadaeus said:
Why is this thread so quiet? Seems like many on here wants to see Pochettino fail :lol:. PSG played well today and as I stated before, it is a process that will take time. Even with Neves moment of madness, they still got a win. The front three starting to play well and they should have had scored 7 or 8 today if they were more clinical. Pochettino with another win. His next game won’t be easy, but Verrati and Messi are fit at the right time. They just need to be clinical with their chances. Too many times, I have gone through this.
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He's had a year to be fair, he should be able to get this team playing as a cohesive unit with consistently high levels of performance. Not every once in a while.

Ultimately I'd be skeptical of giving him the United job unless he does something special this season. It's a horrible job to take in a way because it all comes down to winning the champions league, if you fail at that then you're just another guy who won the French league, and then you're sacked.
 
I thought it would have been the right thing to do for Man United to hire him in summer 2019, I still think that, and I still kind of feel he would be a very good, maybe the best, choice for Man United now.
 
Can someone help me by answering this?

I'm not the biggest Pochettino fan but I have started to wonder how was Tuchel at PSG?

How was he there in France? It seems like a very hard managerial job by potentially using players by force - compared to the players Tuchel is using now at Chelsea with Chalobah, Hudson Odoi, Mount, the rebirth of Chilwell etc.

Was Tuchel doing a magnificent job at PSG or did he also seem a bit "down" and "compressed" as a manager during his time there? I know he reached the CL final but how was he in the league?

I just wonder if maybe judging Pochettino during his PSG time is maybe not the best thing to do.
 
Bebestation said:
Can someone help me by answering this?

I'm not the biggest Pochettino fan but I have started to wonder how was Tuchel at PSG?

How was he there in France? It seems like a very hard managerial job by potentially using players by force - compared to the players Tuchel is using now at Chelsea with Chalobah, Hudson Odoi, Mount, the rebirth of Chilwell etc.

Was Tuchel doing a magnificent job at PSG or did he also seem a bit "down" and "compressed" as a manager during his time there? I know he reached the CL final but how was he in the league?

I just wonder if maybe judging Pochettino during his PSG time is maybe not the best thing to do.
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But of a poisoned chalice, loads of primadonnas with the owners forcing galácticos into the club which unbalances the squad.

Perhaps Zidane is the best fit for them.
 
Amadaeus said:
Why is this thread so quiet? Seems like many on here wants to see Pochettino fail :lol:. PSG played well today and as I stated before, it is a process that will take time. Even with Neves moment of madness, they still got a win. The front three starting to play well and they should have had scored 7 or 8 today if they were more clinical. Pochettino with another win. His next game won’t be easy, but Verrati and Messi are fit at the right time. They just need to be clinical with their chances. Too many times, I have gone through this.
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You’re beyond shameless, man.
 
Why is a thread about the love of my life managing a 3-1 victory against Nantes so quiet, on the night where the club I’m meant to support lost 4-1 to a newly promoted side and our manager is about to get sacked. Guys? Guys?!
 
Amadaeus said:
Yea, like how bayern lose to Augsburg, moncheglaudbach, real Madrid to sherif, United to Watford, young boy, Manchester city to palace and so on. Not all games are as straightforward as you may beleive.
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And that PSG game was far from straight forward, and relied on their world class strikers baling then out rather than tactical genius from the gaffa.
 
I think the interim Manager until the end of the season might be leading to this man coming in for next season.
 
Hopefully he does just about well enough at PSG that they decide to keep him on and he doesn't become available. Not optimistic with that though. Will be thoroughly disappointed if he is the guy we choose. It simply has to be Ten Hag.
 
Another underwhelming manager who does not win things. Not sure why people go so crazy about him
 
It’s really weird how Sky are so desperate for this to happen, and I’m concerned it’s going to contribute to it actually happening.

It’s also horrifying how we might actually be waiting for 2 managers to finish failing at their current clubs before appointing one of them in the summer.
 
Escobar said:
Another underwhelming manager who does not win things. Not sure why people go so crazy about him
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I think the term underwhelming is unnecessary but I think this PSG stint is a great chance for Poch to prove the doubters wrong. He overachieved at Spurs which was downplayed because of how he concluded his final season in London. One issue I have is where many credit Solskjaer they use the same basis to discredit Poch for achieving more with less resources (second place finish, consistent top four finish and reaching a UCL final).

One area for me that should be a consideration of the next manager is what they bring to the table tactically. I said for months on end during Tuchels PSG period that I'd have taken him to be the next manager because of the "eye test" he and the likes of Klopp / Guardiola pass. They have a philosophy, ethos and style which is the foundation of their respective teams. This is ultimately why Solskjaer being fired was more of a 'when' not 'if' from the moment he was given the management role.

Poch has typically showed to be an attack minded manager, high pressing utilising wide areas to invert with the central forwards. Amongst Zidane (lesser extent due to his preferences), Ten Haag and Enrique these are excellent options for the club to move forward with. Solskjaer was a great character but for him to lead the club to decent league finishes with absolutely no tactical depth or astuteness a more diligent manager should take this squad to great heights.
 
A proper coach who makes teams greater than the sum of their parts and adds a little steel to boot.

We have a far better squad than he had at Spurs, and we can see that clearly now, when you see where the careers of those same players are without him.

I would be really excited to see what he could do with so many of our players.
 
Maluco said:
A proper coach who makes teams greater than the sum of their parts and adds a little steel to boot.
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Words that definitely doesn't describe this current iteration of Poch.

Did he make Spurs better than the sum of its parts? Kane, Eriksen, Son, Dembele, Wanyama (for however short that lasted), Walker, Trippier, Rose, Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Lloris are or were some of the best in the league in their respective positions. I think it's fair to say they had one of the top three squads in the league for a good part of his tenure, with the added benefit of stability.
 
Halftrack said:
Words that definitely doesn't describe this current iteration of Poch.

Did he make Spurs better than the sum of its parts? Kane, Eriksen, Son, Dembele, Wanyama (for however short that lasted), Walker, Trippier, Rose, Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Lloris are or were some of the best in the league in their respective positions. I think it's fair to say they had one of the top three squads in the league for a good part of his tenure, with the added benefit of stability.
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No, I don’t agree with that summation at all.

A lot of those players had their best years under him and all of them grew as players with him as manager. That is what good coaches do.

People were talking about 50 million pound fees at one stage for players like Dier, Rose and Alli. Players that no other manager even got close to bringing out that level in.

His job at Spurs was terrific. He is making concessions at PSG to try to fit in their circus of egos and celebrities, but United isn’t like that.

Bar Ronaldo, we don’t have mega celebrities. We have a group of players that continued to play for a manager who was woefully out of his depth for a very long time.

It’s exciting to think about Rashford, Greenwood, Shaw, VdB, Bruno and the like under a manager who can actually coach and with a clear vision on how football should be played.
 
So, interim until Summer, Poch to Utd, Zidane to PSG. I can see that.

Interim is the issue. Need someone like Hiddink to Chelsea 09 and not Fletcher or something. Cannot afford a novice.
 
Let's be honest, PSG finished 2nd last season but Tuchel left PSG when PSG were 3rd. So it was unfair to judge him of what happened last season since he took in charged mid season. And this season he is likely going to win the ligue 1 given the massive points gaps and just like Tuchel before joined Chelsea, Poch also went to final CL with much worse team. There are some similarities between Poch and Tuchel before came to Chelsea imo, and these similarities what make me think he is miles better option than Rodgers.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Let's be honest, PSG finished 2nd last season but Tuchel left PSG when PSG were 3rd. So it was unfair to judge him of what happened last season since he took in charged mid season. And this season he is likely going to win the ligue 1 given the massive points gaps and just like Tuchel before joined Chelsea, Poch also went to final CL with much worse team. There are some similarities between Poch and Tuchel before came to Chelsea imo.
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that Is true. Plus at psg last year, he went to the semi finals and was defeated by a good Manchester city team, despite playing well in that leg. The similarities are there and I see Pochettino following Tuchel success if he is to come managed a big team in England as he accomplished more or similiar to what Tuchel did before going to Chelsea.
 
PSG is very top heavy. They have ridiculous firepower but their top 3 are also superstar which means they act that way on the pitch. What i mean by that is that Messi, Neymar and Mbappe are all good with their individual qualities but they are also some of the least workers on the pitch. None track back or bother pressing, very hard to implement any sort of hard working team with all of them together.

Then there is the fact that outside of those 3, PSG quality isn't that good. Their midfield and defense is average, heck some would say it's borderline mediocre. I've watched them in the CL and the likes of that Gaye and co simply aren't top players, simply passable players.

Tuchel was with PSG for years and couldn't accomplish anything outside of France and as soon as he left and got to a team more balanced he showed his European pedigree. As far as I'm concerned Poch is still a top manager that i would love at United. There is more nuances to his PSG time. Like Tuchel, He'll win the French league but fall short in Europe and will still remain a top manager that top team should be on the lookout for.
 
Santoryo said:
PSG is very top heavy. They have ridiculous firepower but their top 3 are also superstar which means they act that way on the pitch. What i mean by that is that Messi, Neymar and Mbappe are all good with their individual qualities but they are also some of the least workers on the pitch. None track back or bother pressing, very hard to implement any sort of hard working team with all of them together.

Then there is the fact that outside of those 3, PSG quality isn't that good. Their midfield and defense is average, heck some would say it's borderline mediocre. I've watched them in the CL and the likes of that Gaye and co simply aren't top players, simply passable players.

Tuchel was with PSG for years and couldn't accomplish anything outside of France and as soon as he left and got to a team more balanced he showed his European pedigree. As far as I'm concerned Poch is still a top manager that i would love at United. There is more nuances to his PSG time. Like Tuchel, He'll win the French league but fall short in Europe and will still remain a top manager that top team should be on the lookout for.
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I disagree. Gueye is a solid player, we also have Veratti, Herrera, Wijnaldum, and on defense we have Marquinhos, Kimpembe, and Ramos if he can ever play a few games without injuring himself. Not to mention two world-class GKs. That's not mediocre at all. PSG are as competitive across their XI as any team out there. But they are definitely top-heavy, and I'm not sure it can work with having Messi/Neymar/Mbappe together up front, that remains to be seen against the best teams but there isn't a single team out there in Europe that has top players across their entire team, it's up to the manager to make them top players within their system, and Poch has more than enough to work with.
 
Sayros said:
I disagree. Gueye is a solid player, we also have Veratti, Herrera, Wijnaldum, and on defense we have Marquinhos, Kimpembe, and Ramos if he can ever play a few games without injuring himself. Not to mention two world-class GKs. That's not mediocre at all. PSG are as competitive across their XI as any team out there. But they are definitely top-heavy, and I'm not sure it can work with having Messi/Neymar/Mbappe together up front, that remains to be seen against the best teams but there isn't a single team out there in Europe that has top players across their entire team, it's up to the manager to make them top players within their system, and Poch has more than enough to work with.
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I've watched PSG in the CL and honestly those players you mentioned are quite mediocre. Aside from Veratti that midfield is quite average personal wise. I watched the likes of Gueye continuously give the ball away against City and Leipzig, was quite poor on the ball. In defense I forgot the number of times Kimpepe gave the ball away with almost not pressure, not to mention stupid mistakes. I don't know how they look in Ligue Un but the times I've watched them in the CL they were quite average and mediocre.

Meanwhile Messi wouldn't bother running for more than 5 meters to press, he'd just stroll around and would only come to life when ball goes to his feet, same for the other 2 super stars with him. Maybe if Messi was younger when he was still willing to press, Mbappe and Neymar not acting like the biggest stars there ever was who feel like pressing and working hard off the ball wasn't beneath them, then the team might have looked like a proper machine with ridiculous firepower. But for now all I've seen in the CL is a team that has a midfield that's quite mediocre in my honest opinion(Gueye can't play on the ball at all from what I've seen. Giving the ball away over and over) and superstars who are deadly in front of them but that only get realized when they get the ball but their midfield isn't even feeding them while they also don't want to work hard for the team to win possession back.
 
He'd be fine. Ultimately whoever we appoint is not going to be as good as Pep, Klopp or Tuchel are they, those three are at the top of their profession right now sadly and we have to accept that. Beggars can't be choosers.

Yes Ten Hag would be a more exciting appointment but also a riskier one. Leaving that fantastic club structure he has at Ajax could see him become De Boer 2.0.
 
Blood Mage said:
He'd be fine. Ultimately whoever we appoint is not going to be as good as Pep, Klopp or Tuchel are they, those three are at the top of their profession right now sadly and we have to accept that. Beggars can't be choosers.

Yes Ten Hag would be a more exciting appointment but also a riskier one. Leaving that fantastic club structure he has at Ajax could see him become De Boer 2.0.
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Ten Hag is a high risk high reward appointment. He can become a trainwreck of an appointment or be the one that is going to turn us into an elite team. With Poch the situation is clear. We are going to challenge, but never truly win anything. In other words he would turn us into late stage Wenger's Arsenal. The Glazers would definitely love him though.

Also De Boer 2.0? The guy literally had a team of youth products looking as one the most exciting teams in Europe and almost getting to the final, and now he comands a team of rejects and yet again he turned them into one of the most exciting teams in the CL. De Boer isn't fit to shine this mans boots.
 
Mauricio Pochettino is easily one of the best coaches in the Premier League
 
bosnian_red said:
Based on what? Finishing 2nd with Spurs 5 years ago? Failing to win the league with PSG? He's a decent manager, he's not a top manager.
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He reached CL finals just 2 years ago, beating Dortmund, City, Ajax in KO stages.

Also depends on what you call as top manager. if we are talking about top 3 or top 5, then he isn't.
 
roonster09 said:
He reached CL finals just 2 years ago, beating Dortmund, City, Ajax in KO stages.

Also depends on what you call as top manager. if we are talking about top 3 or top 5, then he isn't.
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That CL final run was a fluke, they were outplayed in multiple of those games but made it through. Fair enough, but he lost anyway and didn't lay a glove on Liverpool in the final so it's hardly some achievement when they ultimately lost. They were absolute garbage in the league that year too.
 
bosnian_red said:
That CL final run was a fluke, they were outplayed in multiple of those games but made it through. Fair enough, but he lost anyway and didn't lay a glove on Liverpool in the final so it's hardly some achievement when they ultimately lost. They were absolute garbage in the league that year too.
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You have to consider the level of Spurs and how poor their squad is. They finished 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th before he was sacked. When you consider the level of investment in both transfer fee and wages, it's a brilliant job.

Not sure if he is at same level but its hard to judge his PSG side.
 
Poch is a very good manager. Whether people like it or not, he will be our next manager. My preference would be Ten Hag, but I certainly will not be mad when we hire Poch. He’s prem-proven, plays a decent brand of football and would command the respect of the players.
 
I think he’s a good fit for United. He wants the job and has a record of bringing young players in and developing them. He would get your players very fit and they would learn to press properly. He has not won much but if he got you playing like his Spurs team did earlier on and through to later stages of the CL then that’s a start. His later Spurs were not great to watch but that’s because Levy wouldn’t refresh the squad. His Soton and first few seasons at Spurs were very good to watch.
 
So the plan is to go after a guy who has proved nothing at the top level and is still in a job.

Brilliant.
 
NewYorkRed said:
Poch is a very good manager. Whether people like it or not, he will be our next manager. My preference would be Ten Hag, but I certainly will not be mad when we hire Poch. He’s prem-proven, plays a decent brand of football and would command the respect of the players.
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What makes you so sure that we can't get Ten Hag then just out of interest
 
BlackBen said:
All I want is no Pochettino, ex players or Brendan for Christmas . Thanks
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Agree with the last two but part of me is intrigued to see what he can do given a proper budget. Ten Hag would still be my top choice though without any doubt
 
Santoryo said:
I've watched PSG in the CL and honestly those players you mentioned are quite mediocre. Aside from Veratti that midfield is quite average personal wise. I watched the likes of Gueye continuously give the ball away against City and Leipzig, was quite poor on the ball. In defense I forgot the number of times Kimpepe gave the ball away with almost not pressure, not to mention stupid mistakes. I don't know how they look in Ligue Un but the times I've watched them in the CL they were quite average and mediocre.

Meanwhile Messi wouldn't bother running for more than 5 meters to press, he'd just stroll around and would only come to life when ball goes to his feet, same for the other 2 super stars with him. Maybe if Messi was younger when he was still willing to press, Mbappe and Neymar not acting like the biggest stars there ever was who feel like pressing and working hard off the ball wasn't beneath them, then the team might have looked like a proper machine with ridiculous firepower. But for now all I've seen in the CL is a team that has a midfield that's quite mediocre in my honest opinion(Gueye can't play on the ball at all from what I've seen. Giving the ball away over and over) and superstars who are deadly in front of them but that only get realized when they get the ball but their midfield isn't even feeding them while they also don't want to work hard for the team to win possession back.
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So you've basically watched a couple of games and decided the squad is average, got it. I watch them a little bit more than you do, and I'll just disagree. This is not an average squad, and I expect them to show it over the coming months.
 
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