I find the British media's love in with Pochettino bizarre. He's a good coach and that's about it. What does Ferguson apparently see in Pochettino?
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That sounds great to be fair. Is there anyone else out there that would be a good hire?
I wouldn’t hate Potch coming in but it does seem very safe, and like you say potentially a hire for getting top 4 and not much else.
Some positive noises today already which is encouraging. Pochettino being prepared to leave PSG mid-season be a big bonus. And with Zidane available it might actually work for PSG too.
You also have the likes of Van de Vaart saying that Ten Hag wouldn’t say no. It doesn’t mean much if it’s not from the man himself but it’s slightly encouraging.
You also have the likes of Van de Vaart saying that Ten Hag wouldn’t say no. It doesn’t mean much if it’s not from the man himself but it’s slightly encouraging.
Absolute mystery to me too mate
Now is as good a time as any to ask - with managerial contracts, its not a case of the employer having a say is it? His contract is just bought out by the interested party I assume?
Zidane has proved he can handle the superstars as he did at Real, so he seems perfect for PSG. We need to go get Poch, he clearly wants the United job right now, especially with his family still settled in England
Fergie was a big fan of the way Southampton played in his last season.
Plus reaching the CL final with Spurs and what he did at Southampton. It's really not that bizarre.
Poch had proven both at Spurs and Southampton that he could have his teams play the kind of modern football people crave about on these boards. People suddenly pretending that isn't the case anymore make me chuckle. He's proven in the PL and is a manager playing modern football, the likes that help dominate games and compete with the very best given enough resources.
The PSG stint won't change that. We've seen Tuchel waste his time in France winning those Ligue 1 trophies and do nothing much in Europe despite having top talents in attack yet he was competitive with Dortmund in the Bundesliga despite Bayern unfair financial advantage over them and got himself a European Trophy with Chelsea once he inherited a more balanced squad compared to PSG.
Poch will do the same as Tuchel with PSG, reach a CL final, win the French league and not do much in European competition despite having a team housing some world class attacking talents, simply because of how that team is built which doesn't afford system manager the means to properly implement their imprints. Hard to do much system wise when your front 3 won't bother putting in the defensive work or general work rate needed to make it work.
The PSG stint won't change that. We've seen Tuchel waste his time in France winning those Ligue 1 trophies and do nothing much in Europe despite having top talents in attack yet he was competitive with Dortmund in the Bundesliga despite Bayern unfair financial advantage over them and got himself a European Trophy with Chelsea once he inherited a more balanced squad compared to PSG.
Poch will do the same as Tuchel with PSG, reach a CL final, win the French league and not do much in European competition despite having a team housing some world class attacking talents, simply because of how that team is built which doesn't afford system manager the means to properly implement their imprints. Hard to do much system wise when your front 3 won't bother putting in the defensive work or general work rate needed to make it work.
Get him now. No point waiting to the summer.
Of course the employer has a say, you can't unilaterally break a contract with fixed terms without cause. You can't buy the contract unless there is a buyout clause which is illegal in France. So in this case unless PSG are willing to accomodate Pochettino, it would end in court.
Tuchel reached the CL final where PSG played fairly well. Tuchel outside of the last season where he was limited by injuries and covid, did an excellent job and did far better than Pochettino.
It's fair to say that I could be completely wrong and Pochettino ends up being a great fit. But I think that when you look at his body of work we are in Rodgers' territory.
I just dont get why people think we can get him from PSG?
You have just described United.
You have just described United.
Hard to press aggressively when your entire front line isn't willing to do so. PSG will never be able to entirely play aggressive football because of their front 3. All of Messi, Mbappe and Neymar are strollers on the pitch. I've seen Messi let a guy half a meter away from him with the ball just walkz through while he watches him go on without even attempting to put a leg in.
If it is Poch’s side briefing this, it’s a bit strange that they have to. Ole’s been on dodgy ground for weeks and by all accounts United admire Poch so you would think there would have been some contact at least during the international break.
ETH hasn't won anything outside of Netherlands, but I am more keen to us getting him rather than Poch.
I don't get the love in for ETH either. He's only managed 2 top flight teams. He's won 2 league titles with Ajax, his CV is hardly glittering and he's two years older than Poch but Poch has significantly more experience.
I wanted Poch when he was available last time and if we can get him this time around he'd be my choice. He's not on the Pep/Klopp/Tuchel level at the moment, but Spurs didn't give him the resources and PSG havn't given him the control so perhaps we havn't seen his true level yet.
I wanted Poch when he was available last time and if we can get him this time around he'd be my choice. He's not on the Pep/Klopp/Tuchel level at the moment, but Spurs didn't give him the resources and PSG havn't given him the control so perhaps we havn't seen his true level yet.
Good post and I agree with pretty much every word of that.
You can only do so much with a club, depending on their resources. Poch done very well with Southampton and Spurs with what he had, and I believe he would have won trophies here with the 400 million transfer kitty that was used here.
Southampton was a selling club with most of their top players sold on each season, but the way he fitted others into place and the football they played was all down to him.
He would be a good choice here I feel.
Southampton was a selling club with most of their top players sold on each season, but the way he fitted others into place and the football they played was all down to him.
He would be a good choice here I feel.
For me it's not love but simply the fact that he has shown with Ajax that he can implement a tactical approach that suits top teams. He wouldn't be first choice if the likes of Tuchel or Klopp were available but they aren't and unlike someone like Pochettino I have nothing to question is attitude when it comes to bringing a winning mentality.
Read the BBC Sport article:
- He wants to be a football manager and a not a first team coach, as he is at PSG. The United structure is what Poch wants to operate in.
- He doesn't like the galacticos approach at PSG.
- Living in a separate country from wife and kids, although admittedly London-Paris and Manchester-London is not much different. Poch would need to move the family to the NW or he's gonna age exactly how Ole and Mourinho did living away from their family.
The difference is that United only have 1 player who fit their front 3 description(Ronaldo) and you can make up for 1 lazy player while it's almost impossible to do so with all your front line being lazy.
To give people an idea of how PSG front 3 play, just take Ronaldo at his laziest, those times he just walks around on the pitch, that's exactly how PSG front 3 play all the time without the ball. They just walk around waiting to be fed the ball then will bother coming alive. Mbappe still has his run behind the defense occasionally but in general he's also a stroller. Your have 3 strollers as your front 3 then you aren't going to implement any type of effective pressing or high energy football. And it's not like Poch can do much to change that given they're all superstars who are untouchable.
With us you can get all of Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho, Bruno, etc to press and work hard off the ball if the coach wishes so, it's just a matter of coaching them how to do so effectively and in an organized fashion.
It should be same way it is for a player contract, shouldn't it? Meaning that if the selling club get's an offer they like, they can ask the player/manager to break the contract, allowing them to sign a new contract with a new club. This is all pending on the player/manager agreeing a new contract with the new club of course, not like American sports where the clubs can trade the contracts themselves.
The second one is amazing, he joined a PSG team that had star players like Mbappé and Neymar. Did he expect these players to be sold to accommodate him?
Don't forget to mention his time at Southampton where he successfully implemented his high energy, high pressing football. Some people simply want to pretend Poch has no pedigree for some weird reasons. The guy is proven in the PL and plays the sort of football everyone in here craves.
It’s a mystery to me that people think he is some sort of clogger. His Southampton were brilliant and he took Spurs to a champions league final. I would quite like to see what he can do with funds and being able to build a team he wants.
There is a balance though, right? You can accommodate a few star players who are more focussed on goalscoring and final third play, but you need others to do the hard work and provide that foundation. That's difficult when your owners want an attacking star in every position, including full back (Hakimi) and centre back (Ramos).
Ronald Reagan?
Yep, those Español, Southampton and Spurs trophies have really been rolling in since he left…
He developed Spurs brilliantly. But his work at the end of his time there (post CL final, signing Ndombele and co) and PSG (failing to win the league) has been disappointing.
I agree with everything you've said, but what's the likelihood of our board making competent decisions like you've said re Rangnick interim (moved to DoF in summer) then ten Hag permanent?
They don't want an attacking star in every position, that's completely wrong. PSG have more pure DMs and defensive players than most clubs, they have used Diallo as a left fullback and have the likes of Gueye, Verratti, Danilo Pereira, Wijnaldum in midfield. Too much excuses are made for Pochettino, for the first time in a while PSG have a somewhat balanced team.
Also Neymar had no issue pressing and defending under Tuchel.
If he's willing to join us now, just get it done. He'll get a free hit this season then back him in the summer and see what he can do.
A move for ETH would suggest the club is wisening up to the fact that it needs to do a lot more than just hire managers every now and then and throw money at players with no plan. The whole football side needs more attention.
Plus, since SAF, we've never gone for the guy who could be the next big thing in European football. It was obvious Klopp had that, Tuchel too - which is why he got big jobs. We've gone for two out of their depth guys and two has beens. People credit Poch for getting to the CL final, but it should have been ETH's Ajax - they outplayed Spurs on a much lower budget and were unlucky to lose. They would've given Liverpool a much better game. And the impressive thing is he lost lots of his best players but seems to have rebuilt another very good Ajax team already who could be contenders this year. They've battered Dortmund in the group stages.
It would be a sign that we're finally thinking. Finally going for a man playing modern football, and, hopefully therefore, bringing a modern mentality that extends beyond just the pitch. We're way behind as a club.
This would be a joke. Appointing a manager who will win nothing and maybe get top 4 until he doesnt. The gimp needed Messi to win ligue 1 with PSG for goodness sake
It's unlike the BBC to be reporting manager rumours on their headlines. Poch must have contacted them directly.
Poch is all fine and good but I think we'll regret not going for Ten Hag if we do appoint him. Bald/balding is the way forward.
Let's pump the breaks with this whole he isn't a winner narrative. He's managed Southampton and Spurs, and last year took over PSG in 3rd place and finished second. He's probably going to win that cake walk league in France this season with PSG as should be expected from anyone managing PSG. You lots make it sound like Poch not having won a trophy so far is this egregious fact when in reality he's only managed teams that aren't normally in the vicinity of trophies and surprise, surprise he'll probably win one as soon as he's in charge of a team that should be winning trophies.
It comes off completely disingenuous when people bring up the fact Poch hasn't won a trophy without mentioning the clubs he's been in charge of. The way some of you sound, one would think he's been in charge of a United or Madrid for 5 years and never won a trophy.
United, Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Chelsea were all relatively weak during that time period. It's surprising that a manager as special as Poch was unable to capitalise on that. But then again, it's unfair to suggest lowly Spurs could compete with Leicester.
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