Yeah by parking in the middle of it for a bit, he forced Lewis wide, and then complains that the guy who he forced off the track went off the track.
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Yeah by parking in the middle of it for a bit, he forced Lewis wide, and then complains that the guy who he forced off the track went off the track.
I think they've made the wrong call.
It's a tricky one, because Max has thrown his car into a position where Lewis either has to give up the position or crash. He's done that because he knows a crash benefits him more than it goes Hamilton.
Still, he hasn't broken any of the rules as they are and by rights, Lewis should've been made give the place back.
For me, that evens things up. Verstappen had been given the benefit of too many decisions up until today and now he's been on the wrong end of a big one. If he wins from here he'll be a more worthy champion than had he won an uneventful race from pole to finish for me.
It's a tricky one, because Max has thrown his car into a position where Lewis either has to give up the position or crash. He's done that because he knows a crash benefits him more than it goes Hamilton.
Still, he hasn't broken any of the rules as they are and by rights, Lewis should've been made give the place back.
For me, that evens things up. Verstappen had been given the benefit of too many decisions up until today and now he's been on the wrong end of a big one. If he wins from here he'll be a more worthy champion than had he won an uneventful race from pole to finish for me.
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Agree 100%.
It would have been much more entertaining had Lewis just given the position back, the pace he is showing, it wouldn't have lasted, but then again, trying to overtake Max is a recipe for disaster right now.
Look, Max is on soft tyres, so he should have been able to make up the deficit. He hasn't made inroads into Lewis's lead in the 1st dozen laps. Hamilton has the fastest lap too.
If you want to be World Champion, you have to be fastest, Max. Go faster and you'll win, stop crying.
If you want to be World Champion, you have to be fastest, Max. Go faster and you'll win, stop crying.
So you're telling me Max didn't dive-bomb down, and force lewis off the track?
Will RB force a safety car?
Looking at replay, max simply forced him off again. If that's allowed it's going to become bumper cars.
judging by pace and tyres looks like lewis would have passed him any way.
He drove him off the track and didn't give Lewis any choice but to run wide.
Can there be any further review of the incident now? Or are places settled?
Seems a bit silly to force someone off the track and then cry that they got an advantage by leaving the track… maybe don’t force them off then?
Reap what you sow…
Reap what you sow…
Hammer time... all over bar the inevitable toys coming out of the pram from red bull about a fexi wing etc
Exactly.
Hill and Rosberg are ok with it. On the same channel … in the same discussion… this is just not good form from you
I didn’t hear those guys, I’m at my in-laws and my nephew is making a racket, but the point remains true that those guys are bemused by the ridiculous call.
Max struggling with tyres already
Tires looked ok. Kidology.
Max won't finish
Max doesn't give a feck if Lewis goes into him and they both DNF as he wins the championship. Lewis has to be careful not to have a collision. It's a weird race.
No one Is saying it’s the kind of move that deserves a penalty. But if you cut across the other driver and force the contact, you can’t be mad that the other guy has to go off track to protect his car.
poking your nose in at the last moment isn’t being ahead. you need to literally be alongside before turning for the corner, he wasn’t.It's quite clear his car is ahead at the apex. Unless I misunderstand the word apex
max blocks hamilton even making the corner and forces him to take evasive action off track.
Three things I would say:
- Max made the corner
- Hamilton had no choice but to go off. Max didn’t leave space on the track. But, he then didn’t come back on properly.
- Why the F wasn’t Hamilton prepared for that? I could have seen that move from the previous hairpin.
- Max made the corner
- Hamilton had no choice but to go off. Max didn’t leave space on the track. But, he then didn’t come back on properly.
- Why the F wasn’t Hamilton prepared for that? I could have seen that move from the previous hairpin.
He made the corner, only because Lewis had to move himself off the track to make the space. If Lewis doesn't move there, contact was guaranteed.
Still, would have been just better for Mercedes to give back the position, all the excuses are ready for the end of this race, which will be a sad ending. Would have much preferred he just got the position back.
5 second gap already. Ouch.
He's clearly struggling with pace now.
Max had a shit start which got Lewis ahead and on lap 2 Max forced Lewis wide and Lewis took advantage to get his lead back.
Stewards chickened out of a call and people are convinced Lewis/Max are cheating bastards depending on who they support.
It's easy to be ahead if you brake late and force everyone else off the track.
Singapore 2008, no, no they won't
just seen it, Max for me forced Lewis off.
Stewards have it right , no further action
Stewards have it right , no further action
Every commentator and ex driver saying what Max did was fine, Redcafe knows better of course.
He dived into an open space and made the corner ahead of Lewis.
Race pace the difference here. HAM pulling away.
Red Bull's pace is poor so far.
The onboard is quite telling from Hamilton, he left the room and got none back. One of those where you upset either side.
Don’t think this was the best tyre for RBR
it didn’t break a rule but neither did hamilton and that’s the point.
hamilton tried to turn into the corner then got bumped off wide to evade. he literally couldn’t go anywhere else.
Checo do a kamikaze into the walls?
Fair enough then, mind you I'm no expert whatsoever
Can see both sides of the debate with this.
on another note the Haas is 1 minute 9 second behind the leader after 13 laps
on another note the Haas is 1 minute 9 second behind the leader after 13 laps
Fair. Look, like I said I agree with you I think. But I would say that RB have talked about hard racing all weekend and not to punish for it. If you don’t punish Brazil, you reap what you sow. In my view, both Brazil and this are punishable.
Red Bull have fecked up on tyre choice, again.
I get why he didn't have to give the place back, max has made a rod. But I do think in that particular situation, it looks harsh to me. But then I'm no expert.
I think the tyre issue is by far the problem for Max though. The fans will bang on about that one decision, but fecking his tyres in quali is what has put him in this position more than anything.
I think the tyre issue is by far the problem for Max though. The fans will bang on about that one decision, but fecking his tyres in quali is what has put him in this position more than anything.