F1 2021 Season

Genuine question though, the whole concept of a safety car should be looked at, I think? Personally I would ban all pit stops during a safety car (unless your car is damaged as a direct result of the cause of the safety car), and following a safety car, cars should line up in single file on the grid with cars going one by one with the original gaps between them reinstated. This allowed the bunching of cars to clear the track, but also maintains the fairness of where the cars were. This is a genuine thought, not just cos of what happened today, so I would actually like to hear if there is anything which makes this unfair? The only thing I can think of is cars sitting idle with cold tyres for a long time if they’re toward the end which is a valid issue, but potentially could be overcome by some other suggestion.
 
United Hobbit said:
Where were the cars not allowed through in the queue? Could that have had any part in their decision?

The trouble is, can they conclusively prove either allowing all of them through, or not allowing any through would have any baring on the result. Would Max have still reeled in Lewis if the cars weren't got out his way

Why can't they have let the cars un lap themselves a lap earlier, then have the final lap racing

I think Mercedes should have pit Lewis when Max had his 2nd stop, then he'd have had slightly newer tyres and perhaps would have held Max off
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They couldn't do the unlapping earlier as the track was not clear. Saftey first
 
rpitroda said:
Genuine question though, the whole concept of a safety car should be looked at, I think? Personally I would ban all pit stops during a safety car (unless your car is damaged as a direct result of the cause of the safety car), and following a safety car, cars should line up in single file on the grid with cars going one by one with the original gaps between them reinstated. This allowed the bunching of cars to clear the track, but also maintains the fairness of where the cars were. This is a genuine thought, not just cos of what happened today, so I would actually like to hear if there is anything which makes this unfair? The only thing I can think of is cars sitting idle with cold tyres for a long time if they’re toward the end which is a valid issue, but potentially could be overcome by some other suggestion.
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It would be fairer but they'd never do that for the optics.

Fans are used to and love watching safety cars and safety car restarts. Sanitising that would be boring and time consuming in comparison.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Stewards' verdict expected tonight
The latest from Sky Sports News' Craig Slater in Abu Dhabi
"My understanding is we should get a verdict here from the stewards here tonight within the next half an hour.
"I think there is an understanding that this needs to be done tonight after the race was held. It's bad enough that it's dragging on several hours after the race concluded so that should come pretty soon.
"The question is what happens after that. There is an appeals process if Mercedes or Red Bull are not happy with the decision. The loser in this case has the option to go to the FIA's Court of Appeal - but there's a cut-off for that and it's quite soon as well.
"Thursday is the FIA Prize Giving ceremony and any appeal would have to be heard and decided upon by Thursday because there is no recourse after the trophy has been handed over to the world champion."
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I don't know the laws behind CAS but I didn't think individual sports rules overrode CAS process.
 
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48.12 decision yet to be published.
 
Delano said:
I just don't see them doing anything that changes the WC outcome. But I can see Merc going and going with this.
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I don't think the outcome should be changed. I think for once Max kept his nose clean today and didn't do anything wrong so it would be cruel to strip him of the title through the incompetence of others. The problem is there is so much injustice in the manner of the win. Its such a tricky situation.

However as a Hamilton fan I would love to see Max get penalised, Lewis get the title and this thread to rage on and on :lol:
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
And add they made a decision then had contact from Horner (allegedly) and changed the ruling
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Meh, I think that’s neither here or there. Race directors always moan, I’ve just come to accept that. Better they just remove that line of communication, but it’s just part and parcel of it at the moment just as footballers will lobby the ref.
 
I know slightly more than nothing about the rules of F1 but if there was a 10 second gap between the two drivers when the pace car came out, why not just have it so they restart 10 seconds apart?
 
Can someone briefly explain what’s happened today? I know nothing about F1 but this controversy has hyped me.
 
rpitroda said:
It’s not that they were allowed to pass. It’s that the rules were not followed. No disrespect, but a fact that quite clearly would have easily been found throughout this thread or any new outlet.

But anyway, specifically:
1) Only some lapped cars were allowed through, not all (unprecedented)
2) That the safety car came in on the lap they were let through, when the rules state it is required to be the next lap (also unprecedented)
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The fact that it all happened in like a 10 second period with Mercedes’ having no clue at all is such a bad look for f1. It was such a farce
 
rpitroda said:
Genuine question though, the whole concept of a safety car should be looked at, I think? Personally I would ban all pit stops during a safety car (unless your car is damaged as a direct result of the cause of the safety car), and following a safety car, cars should line up in single file on the grid with cars going one by one with the original gaps between them reinstated. This allowed the bunching of cars to clear the track, but also maintains the fairness of where the cars were. This is a genuine thought, not just cos of what happened today, so I would actually like to hear if there is anything which makes this unfair? The only thing I can think of is cars sitting idle with cold tyres for a long time if they’re toward the end which is a valid issue, but potentially could be overcome by some other suggestion.
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The problem is that there may be a situation where the leader goes round the track and there is still a queue of cars on the grid. It would probably work best if the cars had to leave from the pit stop one by one after a certain time has passed (the time they previously had). No work on the cars allowed.
 
sewey89 said:
If they don’t find anything in the ‘overtake’, which feels like it should be pretty black and white, then what can they actually do?

They can’t punish Max for the the FIA imposing the rules incorrectly, surely?
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If they wanted to overturn it to stop them being taken to court they can give Max a penalty for passing Lewis behind the safety car. It isn't out of their control.
 
0le said:
The problem is that there may be a situation where the leader goes round the track and there is still a queue of cars on the grid. It would probably work best if the cars had to leave from the pit stop one by one after a certain time has passed (the time they previously had). No work on the cars allowed.
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That’s a good point on cars still being on the grid.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I sat through the Schumacher barrichello years too and I think this is a great season and this race is a great advert for F1. My guess is this thread is largely not reflecting the opinion of F1 by fans and public.

Think a lot of Brits are feeling hard done by hamilton s loss. Some of the moaning has been bizzare to me. Hamilton has been pushed to the limit this season and he is a champion. He will be back stronger next year and I can't personally wait for round 2 of this next year
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Nah, their figures have been down for years on the trot and won't be recovered by this kind of thing. The manufactured same points showdown was a great advert, the build up was, but this is potentially going to drag them through the courts and be a huge PR mess if they don't come up with something quick.

And it depends what you mean by "some" of the moaning. Because there's always going to be that about anything. This particular incident is an entirely new situation. It's not about the drivers and who did what, that's been taken completely out of it for me. I dislike them both, I was just hoping to be entertained and I was and still am, so for me it's great. But for the integrity of the sport, this is farcical and should be taken seriously.

It comes down to if people are happy for sports to change rules on the fly to suit the entertainment or not I guess. If you or anyone else is, then that's perfectly fine. Ditto for the opposite. Doesn't really matter anyway though, as they'll bury it by getting rid of Masi. And to be honest, I don't see a better way as I don't personally think Max should be stripped of the title (and he won't be anyway) as it's not his fault.
 
Hephaestus said:
Been posted multiple times here but the rules don't seem to allow for just a handful of lapped cars being let through, it's either all or none and the rules make it very clear that the safety car can only come in the lap after the last lapped car goes past it - in this case that would end the race with Hamilton winning the race and the title. So Masi basically just t hrew the rules out of the window cos he wanted excitement.
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Holy shit :lol:
 
rpitroda said:
Genuine question though, the whole concept of a safety car should be looked at, I think? Personally I would ban all pit stops during a safety car (unless your car is damaged as a direct result of the cause of the safety car), and following a safety car, cars should line up in single file on the grid with cars going one by one with the original gaps between them reinstated. This allowed the bunching of cars to clear the track, but also maintains the fairness of where the cars were. This is a genuine thought, not just cos of what happened today, so I would actually like to hear if there is anything which makes this unfair? The only thing I can think of is cars sitting idle with cold tyres for a long time if they’re toward the end which is a valid issue, but potentially could be overcome by some other suggestion.
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Agree with this really.
 
Fact they’ve not dismissed both at the same time suggests that there’s something in the second.
 
Certain they will reject the 2nd one as well, there's no way they're throwing Masi under the bus tonight, it will go to CAS.
 
duffer said:
I know slightly more than nothing about the rules of F1 but if there was a 10 second gap between the two drivers when the pace car came out, why not just have it so they restart 10 seconds apart?
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They need to bunch the cars to give the stewards time to clean the track.

Getting all cars back into their time gaps is virtually impossible though as the distances and speeds are so variable. If you put them back in the exact positions and gave them a standing start, it wouldn’t reflect the time distances as some cars would have been accelerating and some decelerating.
 
Sports organisations have a shit habit of doubling down on their mistakes so they’ll probably just reject any form of Mercedes protest.
 
rpitroda said:
Genuine question though, the whole concept of a safety car should be looked at, I think? Personally I would ban all pit stops during a safety car (unless your car is damaged as a direct result of the cause of the safety car), and following a safety car, cars should line up in single file on the grid with cars going one by one with the original gaps between them reinstated. This allowed the bunching of cars to clear the track, but also maintains the fairness of where the cars were. This is a genuine thought, not just cos of what happened today, so I would actually like to hear if there is anything which makes this unfair? The only thing I can think of is cars sitting idle with cold tyres for a long time if they’re toward the end which is a valid issue, but potentially could be overcome by some other suggestion.
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it’s an interesting concept but i just don’t see how they could give red bull an advantage under those circumstances.
 
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