F1 2021 Season

Mate you watch as much racing as I. Cars being able to unlap themselves is normal.
What if you’re a sainz fan? Why didn’t he get the chance to challenge verstappen for a position? Why only some lapped cars moving aside?
 
F1 stewarding has been inconsistent for many years, they need to get together and straighten out some of the more ridiculous rules.
Allowing un lapped cars to un lap themselves, changing components on Cars under Red Flag conditions.
Do away with many of the run off areas and get the Gravel traps back.
Same stewards for as much races as possible.
I genuinely feel that Masi just wanted to finish the race under race conditions, nothing sinister.

Then he should have Red Flagged the race, let both men change tyres and sprint to the end.

Or, just let the cars stay unlapped. Max was on reds he would have taken them easily, and they were also obliged to move out of his way.

So many good options and he picks the most controversial one. What a tit.
 
newey said the red bull was the better car over the course of the season…
Lewis's fans, u can't make it up.. arguing a fact which I didn't even stated :lol:
I think constructor championship is real merit of that if u want to argue.
 
F1 stewarding has been inconsistent for many years, they need to get together and straighten out some of the more ridiculous rules.
Allowing un lapped cars to un lap themselves, changing components on Cars under Red Flag conditions.
Do away with many of the run off areas and get the Gravel traps back.
Same stewards for as much races as possible.
I genuinely feel that Masi just wanted to finish the race under race conditions, nothing sinister.

might not be sinister but it’s still not sport. the rules and past precendent would dictate the race finished under the safety car. shit way to end it but thems the rules. like the race starting and finishing under the safety car at spa. what actually happened was an ending that sold more tickets and brought in more ratings. that’s shit.
 
Lewis's fans, u can't make it up.. arguing a fact which I didn't even stated :lol:
I think constructor championship is real merit of that if u want to argue.

i’m no lewis fan, i’m just quoting adrian newey who said his red bull was the best car over the course of the season. to paraphrase some deranged half wit’s words, why would a poster on a football forum know more about f1 than a guy who designs the cars?
 
All lapped cars should Have been told to go around That in itself is the error but it doesn’t affect the race result regardless in this instance.
It does because they should have joined the back of the pack which would have meant that the race finished under the safety car.
 
All lapped cars should Have been told to go around That in itself is the error but it doesn’t affect the race result regardless in this instance.

It also does for the drivers who were stuck behind cars not allowed to unlap themselves...
 
can you explain this?

Horner clearly asks him for a last lap shootout. Masi changes his plan, which people seem to be forgetting btw, and makes that happen. Horner repeats the same thing post match in his interviews.

Funny though how they get that last lap, but no RF and changes to the overlap rules. The agenda was there, to get the last lap going. That's the point, whether it's to benefit one team over another I doubt, but it was certainly to suit the tv/sponsors/moneymen.
 
All lapped cars should Have been told to go around That in itself is the error but it doesn’t affect the race result regardless in this instance.

It would have if he had followed the regulations. The safety car would have to stay out until the lap after all of the lapped cars got to the back of the pack. By that stage the race would have been over and Lewis would have won.
 
Everyone keeps peddling this - it’s nonsense. Mercedes couldn’t pit Hamilton under the safety car as there was a high chance the race would end under the safety car. And once Lewis didn’t pit red bull had absolutely no other option by pitting - they lost nothing and gained a new set of softs. It had nothing to do with one team being more quick/decisive at all.
Agree. Red Bull were gambling left, right and centre hoping something would stick. They had to. Its all they had.

In the end, Michael Masi intervened to give them the win.
 
Horner clearly asks him for a last lap shootout. Masi changes his plan, which people seem to be forgetting btw, and makes that happen. Horner repeats the same thing post match in his interviews.

Funny though how they get that last lap, but no RF and changes to the overlap rules. The agenda was there, to get the last lap going. That's the point, whether it's to benefit one team over another I doubt, but it was certainly to suit the tv/sponsors/moneymen.
Exactly, you don't have to believe there was bias towards Max, but clearly the rules were bent to have more spectacle
 
So you think Newey is wrong then?
i’m no lewis fan, i’m just quoting adrian newey who said his red bull was the best car over the course of the season. to paraphrase some deranged half wit’s words, why would a poster on a football forum know more about f1 than a guy who designs the cars?
I'm just saying that best driver won the driver championship and best car won construtor championship. Everything else is personal opinion.
 
Mercedes had the same opportunity to change tyres… At the end of the day, Lewis punished himself twice
No not really. Anything they did would've benefitted Max in a way.

First instance, max gains track position if Lewis heads in to the pits. He stays out and Max gets fresh tyres to catch Lewis (which wasn't working so they made the right call here).

Second instance, Lewis heads into the pits, Max gets track position, and Max has fresher hards than Lewis did so might not have been able to overtake if the last lap happened. And we know the last situation that played out. Either way, safety car should've stayed out until the finish with this second instance.
 
I'm just saying that best driver won the driver championship and best car won construtor championship. Everything else is personal opinion.

:lol:
 
Mercedes had the same opportunity to change tyres… At the end of the day, Lewis punished himself twice
Mercedes couldn’t pit Lewis under the safety car because it would have given track position to Max and handed him the title if Masi followed the actual rules and the race had finished under a safety car. Also it wasn’t Lewis - it was the team - he was told not to pit. They were also completely right not to pit under the VSC as Lewis was matching Max’s pace even though he was on 26 lap newer tyres. It’s very simple stuff.
 
Verstappen beat Hamilton over a 22 race season despite having worse luck and a worse car.

That safety car was pure karma for Mercedes playing bowling with Verstappen during the summer.

Justice

The right man won
 
Mercedes had the same opportunity to change tyres… At the end of the day, Lewis punished himself twice
It was the right call by Merc.

Max would have known he couldn't match Lewis. You don't give Max track position or let him near Lewis knowing Max has an 'incident' in his arsenal.
 
Max will win the next 6 or 7 titles I'm sure, then he will have to pass the torch when the FIA get bored.
All of the abuse has been directed at Masi and FIA, as much as he fecked up big time there should have been a protocol in place to stop it form happening.

I think he will step down but the sport is a right mess at the moment and it's in need of clean up before the new season starts.
 
Absolute joke of a circus.

Hamilton should have won that. I am still astonished hours on how they dealt with it.

People say that Verstappen won’t care - he will. Massive asterisk against his name in many people’s eyes for the foreseeable future. He had a phenomenal season, but that doesn’t dismiss the comeback Hamilton made to claw himself back into title contention and the drive he pulled off for 58 of the laps today before being the subsequent shitshow.

Dumbest post in a while. Verstappen won’t care one single bit, he won the race with luck and a few months ago he punctured from a win - shit happens. Overall, he won the Championship over Hamilton. The latter has a faster car, you need luck to win. Let’s not put this on some referee put under huge stress, Verstappen won because Latifi crashed. Really difficult to see who is 12 and who is an adult in many of the posts above. What is incredibly certain is that the same people would flip upside down if Hamilton won today after Latifi crashed and Verstappen was screwed after leading.
 
Justice

The right man won

That's like saying a team has been outplayed for 89 mins... so giving the 2 penalties in injury time for no reason is ok

He won because the fia decided he should win

Presumably they don't like a black guy wearing a rainbow helmet in money making GPS in Saudi/ Abu Dhabi ... genuinley can't think of another reason why they chose to bend the rules today
 
I was just thinking I haven’t seen one max fan take the win in good grace

such an open goal too. “shit way to win a race, glad my man won, i think he deserved it overall. roll on 2022 and some better clarity in the rules.”