How do you know that the majority could not give a monkeys?
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How do you know that the majority could not give a monkeys?
You quoted a post which said it with the exact reply “Exactly”
Some guy on internet is making ridiculous post like yours saying verstappen only lost because hamilton took him out on Silverstone. Commiserations
Cool van, I have to sayI’m going for a left field take here. I actually think this is benefitting Hamilton’s legacy. Yes 8 would take him past Schumacher. But, if there was always something which held Lewis back from a likeability perspective it was always his perceived arrogance and lack of sportsmanship. Heck, I didn’t like him for a long time.
In the context of what he’s trying to do now, from race equality in the sport, creating a platform for young minority children to have a shot, being seen as a role model. In a bizarre way, the way he’s carried himself after the race will cement him with a legacy that far exceeds what the 8th title would have.
He might walk away now. He might not. I don’t know. But in some ways being the “victim” here will have changed his image drastically to everyone who isn’t a huge Max fan. From neutrals to even less hardcore Max fans, his standing has taken a significant boost. Good for him.
In the context of what he’s trying to do now, from race equality in the sport, creating a platform for young minority children to have a shot, being seen as a role model. In a bizarre way, the way he’s carried himself after the race will cement him with a legacy that far exceeds what the 8th title would have.
He might walk away now. He might not. I don’t know. But in some ways being the “victim” here will have changed his image drastically to everyone who isn’t a huge Max fan. From neutrals to even less hardcore Max fans, his standing has taken a significant boost. Good for him.
The race I watched Sunday was very much influenced by the stewards to make it "entertaining". They do not even claim otherwise. The same has been true for much of this season, which has left us with many baffling decisions. Maybe scripted is the wrong word, maybe tempered suits it better. It was influenced from the outside from people who believe they can artificially create something that is better than racing.
As a casual viewer I've noticed lots of whining about Horner but I can't help but love his sly digs and shithousing remarks.
I actually dislike him less than Toto who seems like a genuine arsehole. Both are just a bit special and very competitive though.As a casual viewer I've noticed lots of whining about Horner but I can't help but love his sly digs and shithousing remarks.
Never knew F1 was such a handbags out sport.
Well before I entered the caf F1 thread anyway.
Please Kirk. Kirk please.
Your post lacks taste. Toto is a true and utter gentleman while Christian and Marko are utter a'holes.
There both arseholes, toto does seem like a primadonna though with all his antics and playing up for the camera the whole time, the hammerheads don’t like it when you call there toto an arsehole do they.
the thing is you have to be an arsehole to be at the top of this sport
Toto is a prick.
Toto isn't even his real name. I will never forgive him for that.
He truly is.
Both principals can be abrasive, but the difference between them is clear when looking at the treatment of their drivers.
Horner enabled and encouraged the very worst side of Max and Seb, the former of whom stormed off the podium a couple of weeks ago while the latter has seemed like a genuinely cool person since leaving Red Bull. He's also been utterly brutal towards the second drivers he's been in charge of.
Toto meanwhile forced Lewis to learn some humility, to the point that he was able to show a remarkable amount of graciousness despite being the victim of one of the biggest robberies in F1.
They both love the camera, and talking smack, but Horner is in a league of his own when it comes to sleaze, slime, and general awfulness.
Horner enabled and encouraged the very worst side of Max and Seb, the former of whom stormed off the podium a couple of weeks ago while the latter has seemed like a genuinely cool person since leaving Red Bull. He's also been utterly brutal towards the second drivers he's been in charge of.
Toto meanwhile forced Lewis to learn some humility, to the point that he was able to show a remarkable amount of graciousness despite being the victim of one of the biggest robberies in F1.
They both love the camera, and talking smack, but Horner is in a league of his own when it comes to sleaze, slime, and general awfulness.
I like Toto, and he plays well to the camera. But it's easy to be the nice guy when you win everything with no challenge from anywhere.
First championship he has to work for in 8 years and he's smashing headphones left right and centre and demanding no safety cars to the race director when there are marshals on the track. Calling in the sleaziest of lawyers before a tyre has even hit the tarmac.
First championship he has to work for in 8 years and he's smashing headphones left right and centre and demanding no safety cars to the race director when there are marshals on the track. Calling in the sleaziest of lawyers before a tyre has even hit the tarmac.
Dani Ric was/is a master of the dive bomb. He just has a less punchable face so probably more palatable when he does it i guess
We stand with Lewis
that’s my opinion too. i have a slight allegiance to lewis as he is british and has a good backstory but i would much rather work for wolff than horner. i’ve already compared them to fergie and mourinho. both command respect for what they’ve achieved, but i know which one i’d rather nail my colours to.
It's also worth noting that Vettel didn't exactly set the world alight since leaving Red Bull. Mostly the car, yes, but a mentality shift. Ever since Riccardo unsettled him.
Perez didn't do anything wrong, no informed Hamilton fans believe that. Lewis will think the same looking back, all drivers say things in the heat of battle. I would have loved if Bottas could have assisted Lewis like that just once this season.
Tbh, I think Vettel's performances in his last season at RB and all the seasons since have probably revealed his true level: a decent driver, but probably not one you'd look back and think "yeah, one of the greats" that his 4 WCs would suggest.
Silverstone is not comparable with the final race debacle. It is disingenuous to compare a racing incident which got penalised with a race director going rogue to manipulate the race outcome.
Again, I would urge anyone to look at this without considering the "Lewis vs Hamilton" angle, it is irrelevant, it could have been any two drivers going for the championship. Putting any rivalries aside, they can't let this happen again in F1.
No it hasn't actually. That's the thing. If you came on here, you'd think the world is coming to an end. While most people outside of this forum (and maybe the UK), accept it was a poor decision but also realise that there were a lot of poor decisions in this race and beyond it as well. In the end, Max won a deserving championship.Fixed.
Facepalm.
What fecking kind of first name is Torger anyway?
Nail on head Crofty.
I assume there are no toys left in the pram after this? Masi made only one mistake - not letting the lapped cars past earlier. Go and listen to the pit radios. Every team and driver - including Merc and Lewis - expected the restart and expected lapped cars to be let by before. Lewis actually questioned why Merc didn’t pit him because he knew immediately what would happen. If Masi had made the right call first time, lapped cars would have passed half a lap earlier. Either way, the outcome would have been the same. It’s racing. When there’s an SC, sometimes you can lose. Other times, you win. At Imola, Lewis gained massively. Here, he lost out. If anyone is to be questioned it’s the idiot on the Mercedes pit wall that decided to leave Lewis out citing “track position”. It was obvious Max would pit. Leaving Lewis out just made him a sitting duck and from there on, Merc’s only hope was to avoid a restart (hence Lewis moaning on radio about debris on a clear track).
Your post makes no sense at all which is impressive for such a long post. Again anyone who understands f1 knows that there is no way Mercedes could have pit Hamilton there so they took the most obvious decision. Masi didn’t just make one mistake but rather a series of mistakes and if he had simply just followed the rules as they are Lewis Hamilton would have been world champion
The really funny thing is that it's fans like you that ensure Lewis doesn't have more fans than he does. Go ahead mate. Suit yourself. Everything was rigged and anti-Lewis. Every race and result was cunningly setup and manipulated to bring it to the point where Masi knew that he could simply instruct Latifi to put his car into the wall and then deny Lewis the Championship. Toto in particular does himself and Lewis no favours. Nor does Lewis of course with his occasional dark remark insinuating unfairness. But more than anything, what grates is the blind one-eyed narrative peddled by fans like you - the frenzy that the media then rushes to feed with the "Lewis is the greatest ever" and "Lewis wuz robbed" angles.
you really need to tone down the homophobic and racist bullshit.
It is pure rubbish on your part and has no place in here.
You comment in white is also bang out of order.
Why do people keep pushing this nonsense? I kind of that get its to avoid undermining Max's title, but had Masi followed the rules then Lewis is champion, and him being able to make up rules to crown whoever he wants is a terrible precedent. It's something we need to make sure can't ever happen again.
Masi's "mistake" was only allowing lapped cars between Lewis and Max to unlap, ignoring everyone else in the race, and then ignoring the rule that states that the safety car must stay out until the end of the following lap after that announcement is made.
Nobody is complaining about the SC happening, that's F1, but making up rules to give Max an easy overtake to win the title is, at best, gross negligence.
Because he could've let them pass half a lap earlier, meaning all cars would pass in time, the safety car would spend Lap 57 as the following lap, and there would be racing on lap 58.
Perhaps Masi put too much emphasis on the agreement between on wanting to end races under 'green' conditions, but I figure that's why he only let some cars unlap themselves.
The easy overtake was only easy because Mercedes chose not to pit, whilst Max did. That wouldn't be taken into consideration for the safety car ending.
I don't understand this justification of 'he should have unlapped them earlier, so it's ok/understandable to break the rules to make up for it later on to have a green racing lap"
I cannot.
In football, we don't just give random penalties/red cards out for ones that the ref missed earlier in the game do we? It's nuts and chaotic and against the spirit of any sort of competition. It's a parody.
I cannot.
In football, we don't just give random penalties/red cards out for ones that the ref missed earlier in the game do we? It's nuts and chaotic and against the spirit of any sort of competition. It's a parody.
Incorrect I'm afraid, Marshalls were still out on track on lap 56 as per a screenshot somewhere on this thread. Plus, that's just not when he did let them pass is it, it was lap 57 and should've ended behind SC. It's as simple as that, the procedure was not followed. Some of you coming in here like "oh well should've let them unlap sooner" 1. as i said, lap 56, people still on track and 3. that's not how it works.
Even if they lapped early on 57, the stewards threw out the Mercedes protest basing it on 48.13 in the sporting regulations that says "
When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system and the car's orange lights will be extinguished. This will be the signal to the Competitors and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap."
Now anyone can argue that goes against 48.12, which the stewards also admitted: "
That although Article 48.12 may not have been applied fully, in relation to the safety car returning to the pits at the end of the following lap, Article 48.13 overrides that and once the message “Safety Car in this lap” has been displayed, it is mandatory to withdraw the safety car at the end of that lap."
My point is that when the race restarted Lewis was still in the lead, they wanted the race to finish under 'green' conditions as all teams had long agreed was preferrable, and whether one car took a risk to pit, and the other didn't wasn't a factor in the decision to re-start the race.