Coronavirus in football

bosnian_red said:
Teams don't get matches postponed for a bad injury crisis though? They're still forced to play on. Use your u21 players, use youth players. That's why a team should be prepared for an injury crisis with a squad. Don't think it's quite possible to have an injury crisis so bad that you can't string together a 14 man squad between the main and the reserve team, the only that that spreads like that is covid among the unvaccinated. It spreads among the vaccinated too, just nowhere near as much.
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The combination of covid cases and injury crisis could lead to a team not having 13 fit players in their registered 25 man squad, no? There isn't much clarity in the article about whether it's 13 fit players in the club or the senior side. It's why us and Leeds have become reduced to playing a side of seniors mixed with our U23/U18 side. There were a group of me and 9 friends that were fully vaxed that met 2 weeks ago. 7/10 of us have covid now so I don't think it's just a case of being unvaccinated. I don't necessarily disagree with you by the way.
 
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bosnian_red said:
Good news. As it should be. Other leagues have it so you forfeit if you can't field enough players to play the game, "manage your own outbreak" mentality and to be honest, I like that. feck the teams who can't get their shit together, others shouldn't be punished. By all accounts we are one of the worst for this, but I'd still be in full support of us getting punished for having such a bad vaccination rate.

But if you can scrape together enough players for a starting 11 and some subs, then you're fine.
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100% agree. Otherwise we face an endless cycle of cancellations and teams falling 2,3 or even 4 games behind on the schedule which is just unsustainable. The way games have been cancelled within a couple of hours of kickoff has been absolutely disgraceful too - no consideration for the fans. Hopefully a system like you mentioned would put an end to that.
 
B. Munich said:
Will be interesting to see how UEFA will react if an European knock out match has to be cancelled because a team doesn't have enough players available due to many unvaccinated players.

I wouldn't be surprised, if the match would be counted as the loss for that team. This will put some pressure on clubs to ensure their players are vaccinated without forcing them.
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As it should be. 3-0 and direct elimination if you cannot field the team. Ok, don't force the players to get vaxinated, but then if they get sick, you should either a) field kids from the academy, probably lead by tea lady as manager; b) get eliminated.

It is absolute nonsense for the games to be postponed cause some players decided to be illuminated and not get the vaccines, and consequently, got sick.
 
I'm guessing the emphasis on having 13 fit players means this wasn't in place previously? So games that were suspended over the last few weeks wouldn't be now as long as there's 13 fit players? Or has this applied to all of the suspended games so far?
 
golden_blunder said:
How is Lingard seen as a bad influence? There’s many reports of him being a good influence in the dressing room. He looks after his sick parent at home, and his little sister rather than partying, and worked his bollox off on loan to prove himself
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And does sod all at United on the pitch.
 
Ixion said:
Doesn't surprise me, January is when cases will shoot through the roof because of Christmas and New Year socialising. Suspending now would have been pointless to resume in the worst of it.
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But if you suspend it now and band socialising you won't get the high surge in January,
 
SilentWitness said:
The combination of covid cases and injury crisis could lead to a team not having 13 fit players in their registered 25 man squad, no? It's why us and Leeds have become reduced to playing a side of seniors mixed with our U23/U18 side. There were a group of me and 9 friends that were fully vaxed that met 2 weeks ago. 7/10 of us have covid now so I don't think it's just a case of being unvaccinated. I don't necessarily disagree with you by the way.
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Yeah but I guess the point is that u23 and u18's are still part of the club! Games have never been postponed because of an injury crisis before, and there are guidelines in place for how to reduce transmission of covid, of course it can still happen but if a team can't put out a lineup worth of players, then they most likely just didn't follow the guidelines properly. I don't think other clubs should be punished, as the schedule will only get more hectic when you start postponing games. The Premier League has to find the reason why the match can't be played, which club is the one that can't participate, and give them a defeat.

Between a 25 man squad, however big the u23 and u18's are... if they can't put together a 14 man squad for a match day, then that's entirely on them IMO and I can't see a situation where it's just bad luck. Just doesn't happen to that degree.
 
choccy77 said:
But if you suspend it now and band socialising you won't get the high surge in January,
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You would need to ban socialsing everywhere, i.e. a national lockdown to reduce cases, and that is out of Football's hands. I assume they know the Government might be planning to do something in January so are going to limp on till then.
 
Ixion said:
You would need to ban socialsing everywhere, i.e. a national lockdown to reduce cases, and that is out of Football's hands. I assume they know the Government might be planning to do something in January so are going to limp on till then.
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Unfortunately there is zero chance of a lockdown or restrictions before January (if any). Boris is fighting for his career at this point, not the people.
 
bosnian_red said:
Yeah but I guess the point is that u23 and u18's are still part of the club! Games have never been postponed because of an injury crisis before, and there are guidelines in place for how to reduce transmission of covid, of course it can still happen but if a team can't put out a lineup worth of players, then they most likely just didn't follow the guidelines properly. I don't think other clubs should be punished, as the schedule will only get more hectic when you start postponing games. The Premier League has to find the reason why the match can't be played, which club is the one that can't participate, and give them a defeat.

Between a 25 man squad, however big the u23 and u18's are... if they can't put together a 14 man squad for a match day, then that's entirely on them IMO and I can't see a situation where it's just bad luck. Just doesn't happen to that degree.
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That's completely fair. It didn't have much clarity in the article whether it meant 13 fit players of the whole club or just the senior side. If it also includes U-18s then no team should have an issue in being able to play the actual game.
 
bosnian_red said:
Yeah but I guess the point is that u23 and u18's are still part of the club! Games have never been postponed because of an injury crisis before, and there are guidelines in place for how to reduce transmission of covid, of course it can still happen but if a team can't put out a lineup worth of players, then they most likely just didn't follow the guidelines properly. I don't think other clubs should be punished, as the schedule will only get more hectic when you start postponing games. The Premier League has to find the reason why the match can't be played, which club is the one that can't participate, and give them a defeat.

Between a 25 man squad, however big the u23 and u18's are... if they can't put together a 14 man squad for a match day, then that's entirely on them IMO and I can't see a situation where it's just bad luck. Just doesn't happen to that degree.
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Do the u23 and u18's count as part of the 13 plus a keeper?
 
Canuckred64 said:
Do the u23 and u18's count as part of the 13 plus a keeper?
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Pretty sure the u23s do, not sure on the u18 but IMO they should. Just put it this way, whenever a club has had an injury crisis in the past, did they get to postpone the games, or did they need to pull youth players in? Always the youth players. Don't see why it should be different now.
 
bosnian_red said:
Yeah but I guess the point is that u23 and u18's are still part of the club! Games have never been postponed because of an injury crisis before, and there are guidelines in place for how to reduce transmission of covid, of course it can still happen but if a team can't put out a lineup worth of players, then they most likely just didn't follow the guidelines properly. I don't think other clubs should be punished, as the schedule will only get more hectic when you start postponing games. The Premier League has to find the reason why the match can't be played, which club is the one that can't participate, and give them a defeat.

Between a 25 man squad, however big the u23 and u18's are... if they can't put together a 14 man squad for a match day, then that's entirely on them IMO and I can't see a situation where it's just bad luck. Just doesn't happen to that degree.
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That's the way to go forward. Once the clubs realize their season targets might be in danger because some of their players aren't vaccinated I'm pretty sure they will use every legal means to get these idiots vaccinated ASAP.
 
B. Munich said:
That's the way to go forward. Once the clubs realize their season targets might be in danger because some of their players aren't vaccinated I'm pretty sure they will use every legal means to get these idiots vaccinated ASAP.
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Not an employment lawyer but if you're a player that has chosen not to vaccinate, caught Covid and unable to play, you've put yourself in a position where you can't make yourself available for the job you're employed for? (which earns you a shedload of money too).

At the very least, I would be fine with clubs saying they're not paying wages (maybe finding some t&c that allows it)
 
B. Munich said:
Will be interesting to see how UEFA will react if an European knock out match has to be cancelled because a team doesn't have enough players available due to many unvaccinated players.

I wouldn't be surprised, if the match would be counted as the loss for that team. This will put some pressure on clubs to ensure their players are vaccinated without forcing them.
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If clubs get knocked out because some clown player does something silly, or is unvaccinated so has more chance of bringing it in and inflicting everyone, then you can be certain the club will suddenly get very interested in disciplining that player!
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Not an employment lawyer but if you're a player that has chosen not to vaccinate, caught Covid and unable to play, you've put yourself in a position where you can't make yourself available for the job you're employed for? (which earns you a shedload of money too).

At the very least, I would be fine with clubs saying they're not paying wages (maybe finding some t&c that allows it)
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That's exactly what Bayern Munich did with Kimmich and the other 3 unvaccinated players. 2 are vaccinated now and Kimmich will get the vaccine in due time after his infection. Don't know about Choupo Mouting though.

I'm not s lawyer either but really interesting could be, if a team gets eliminated from the knock out stages in the CL because they can't field enough players as too many players were not vaccinated and needed to go into quarantine.

This will cost a club many millions in revenue. Could they sue the unvaccinated players for the losses?
 
Sandikan said:
If clubs get knocked out because some clown player does something silly, or is unvaccinated so has more chance of bringing it in and inflicting everyone, then you can be certain the club will suddenly get very interested in disciplining that player!
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Apparently it happened to Tottenham already. They got eliminated from the conference league only, so probably they don't care much. However, if it would have been the CL I'm sure Levy would have acted.
 
DJ_21 said:
So like January? The league will still be on though?
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21st of November to the 18th of December. PL has said that the 22/23 season will start on August 6th. Round 16 will be played on the 12-13 of November and then suspended until boxing day.
 
13 fit players sounds mental. Imagine having only 13 senior players to get through games on the 26th and 28th. You will get games where teams are forced to put out half fit or young players who aren't ready yet.
 
Squad depth plus academy will be fully tested. Good opportunity to give our kids a chance. On the bright side, we may have some players breaking through earlier than expected.
 
kps88 said:
13 fit players sounds mental. Imagine having only 13 senior players to get through games on the 26th and 28th. You will get games where teams are forced to put out half fit or young players who aren't ready yet.
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That's the price they have to pay to not get their players vaccinated
 
kps88 said:
Vaccinated players can also test positive.
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I think most games have been cancelled not because so many players became suddenly positive but because all the unvaccinated players who were in contact with positive person needed to quarantine by default. If they would have been vaccinated, they didn't have to quarantine.
 
kps88 said:
13 fit players sounds mental. Imagine having only 13 senior players to get through games on the 26th and 28th. You will get games where teams are forced to put out half fit or young players who aren't ready yet.
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I’m not making a direct comparison but Cardiff (rugby union) team just had 42 players missing.. some from injury but mainly Covid and Covid protocol.

Rather than forfeit, they put together a squad including academy and local rugby players to make sure game went on. I realise the importance and vast monies involved in the PL and again, NOT directly comparing, just a note about whether sports clubs have a “can do”, or “can’t do”, mentality. Chelsea asked for their game to be postponed… see the team they put out?!

Covid isn’t going anywhere. While safety is the no.1 priority, we’ve got to get on with stuff where possible.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ropean-champions-cup-rugby-union-match-report
 
Norman Brownbutter said:
21st of November to the 18th of December. PL has said that the 22/23 season will start on August 6th. Round 16 will be played on the 12-13 of November and then suspended until boxing day.
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Sounds like a plan. Will the season still finish normal time though? With it only starting a week earlier then Normal and missing a few CL games between Nov and Dec…
 
golden_blunder said:
What’s that got to do with the point I was replying too?
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You said he was a good influence.

His job is to play football and is paid well for it.

At United he does not come across as a good influence as a paid footballer.

He worked three times as hard on the pitch for West Ham than he has for us in 3 years.
 
choccy77 said:
You said he was a good influence.

His job is to play football and is paid well for it.

At United he does not come across as a good influence as a paid footballer.

He worked three times as hard on the pitch for West Ham than he has for us in 3 years.
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Well unless you are seeing day to day training I don’t think you can say that

anyway we are taking this thread off track
 
 
UnitedSofa said:
….& teams don’t want to postpone the league. Madness.
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Why should teams who aren't going crazy want to postpone the league? The majority of the positive cases and causes for postponements are down to the clubs with poor vaccination rates or aren't following the guidelines properly.
 
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