SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)



Good Twitter thread on omicron in SA. Makes a point I don’t think I’ve seen on here. The huge number of excess deaths they’ve already experienced. If you live in South Africa and you’re someone who is likely to be put in intensive care by covid, chances are you’re already dead :(

So the issue might not be about immunity, so much as survivorship bias. The most vulnerable have already been taken out by previous waves.
 


Good Twitter thread on omicron in SA. Makes a point I don’t think I’ve seen on here. The huge number of excess deaths they’ve already experienced. If you live in South Africa and you’re someone who is likely to be put in intensive care by covid, chances are you’re already dead :(

So the issue might not be about immunity, so much as survivorship bias. The most vulnerable have already been taken out by previous waves.

Seasons greetings to you too Pogue
 
I know EIGHT people in my close circle that currently have it. During the height of both Alpha and Delta I knew one/two at any one time. Boris might not be locking us down for Christmas but it seems a large portion of the country are gonna be in isolation anyway!
 
My mum got turned away from the hospital for her last chemotherapy session because she has a temperature of 38 and a slight cough. She had a PCR test yesterday but the results haven't got back to the hospital yet (FFS). Her treatment has been put on hold until at least next week. I understood that the main symptoms of delta and Omicron for fully vaxxed (and boosted) weren't a temperature or a slight cough. If she's got it it's going to be a fecking disaster. feck sake :(. We are now arranging for us all to have a PCR and I did a lateral flow test earlier today which came back negative.
 
So after 3-4 days last week of feeling absolute shite, since Thursday we have both felt alright. Headaches occur every couple of hours and still coughing a little bit and a bit of a cold but both taken a lateral flow test now and we are negative. So since our positive PCR on the 13th we had 3-4 days of feeling incredibly rough and then back to relative normality. Both in our late 20s.
 
Boris has to make decisions today re Sporting events and post Christmas action if 28th is a certain date for restrictions.

Chancellor to announce some support measures today perhaps also?
 


The continual way this virus kicks us in the balls just as we’ve cracked it would be impressive if it wasn’t so fecking tragic.

Yep, I've just been reading the same report. We were so close...

Of course we don't yet know what the numbers are for omicron serious cases. Still hopeful for now
 
My mum got turned away from the hospital for her last chemotherapy session because she has a temperature of 38 and a slight cough. She had a PCR test yesterday but the results haven't got back to the hospital yet (FFS). Her treatment has been put on hold until at least next week. I understood that the main symptoms of delta and Omicron for fully vaxxed (and boosted) weren't a temperature or a slight cough. If she's got it it's going to be a fecking disaster. feck sake :(. We are now arranging for us all to have a PCR and I did a lateral flow test earlier today which came back negative.
Shit, that's horrible. Sorry to hear it, mate.
 
My mum got turned away from the hospital for her last chemotherapy session because she has a temperature of 38 and a slight cough. She had a PCR test yesterday but the results haven't got back to the hospital yet (FFS). Her treatment has been put on hold until at least next week. I understood that the main symptoms of delta and Omicron for fully vaxxed (and boosted) weren't a temperature or a slight cough. If she's got it it's going to be a fecking disaster. feck sake :(. We are now arranging for us all to have a PCR and I did a lateral flow test earlier today which came back negative.
That sucks, very similar experience here with my dad and a hospital admission. They wouldn't treat him til a PCR test came back despite the pain he was in - the PCR test took over 24 hours - him on a bed in the hallway overnight, at 82 years old. Just ridiculous. Really need to revisit some of those policies to weigh the patient health imo.
 
It's a shitshow in NYC. I tested positive (asymptomatic) and know six people who are positive now. The problem is it's difficult to get a test, rapid or PCR. I waited 5 hours to get tested on Sunday. The home testing kits sell out first thing in the morning at every pharmacy. Businesses like bars and restaurants are starting to voluntariliy close down. Seemed to happen almost overnight.
 
Shit, that's horrible. Sorry to hear it, mate.
Thanks mate.

That sucks, very similar experience here with my dad and a hospital admission. They wouldn't treat him til a PCR test came back despite the pain he was in - the PCR test took over 24 hours - him on a bed in the hallway overnight, at 82 years old. Just ridiculous. Really need to revisit some of those policies to weigh the patient health imo.
That sounds awful for your Dad. Hope he is on the mend.
 
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My mum got turned away from the hospital for her last chemotherapy session because she has a temperature of 38 and a slight cough. She had a PCR test yesterday but the results haven't got back to the hospital yet (FFS). Her treatment has been put on hold until at least next week. I understood that the main symptoms of delta and Omicron for fully vaxxed (and boosted) weren't a temperature or a slight cough. If she's got it it's going to be a fecking disaster. feck sake :(. We are now arranging for us all to have a PCR and I did a lateral flow test earlier today which came back negative.

My Mum got a call from the hospital and they said her CT scans she had on Saturday have shown that she has a blood clot in her lung. This would explain the coughing but she also has a fever. I hope to God we aren't dealing with covid and this blood clot at the same time.
 
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My Mum got a call from the hospital and they said her CT scans she had on Saturday have shown that she has a blood clot in her lung. This would explain the coughing but she also has a fever. I hope to God we aren't dealing with covid and this blood clot at the same time.
My thoughts are with you mate, my wife has just come out of hospital after surgery and thankfully is on the mend now but having a family member needing hospital care at the moment is a terrible worry . I hope everything turns out ok for you.
 
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My Mum got a call from the hospital and they said her CT scans she had on Saturday have shown that she has a blood clot in her lung. This would explain the coughing but she also has a fever. I hope to God we aren't dealing with covid and this blood clot at the same time.

Must be a really worrying time for you all. Thinking of you mate.
 
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My Mum got a call from the hospital and they said her CT scans she had on Saturday have shown that she has a blood clot in her lung. This would explain the coughing but she also has a fever. I hope to God we aren't dealing with covid and this blood clot at the same time.
Hope all goes well mate.
 
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My Mum got a call from the hospital and they said her CT scans she had on Saturday have shown that she has a blood clot in her lung. This would explain the coughing but she also has a fever. I hope to God we aren't dealing with covid and this blood clot at the same time.
Thoughts are with you and the family buddy.
 
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My Mum got a call from the hospital and they said her CT scans she had on Saturday have shown that she has a blood clot in her lung. This would explain the coughing but she also has a fever. I hope to God we aren't dealing with covid and this blood clot at the same time.

Sorry to hear this. Must be very stressful. I would focus on the positive that chemo can really knock someone for six and would have made it much tougher to recover from whatever else she’s going through now. So in a way, it’s for the best that this picked up in time to delay the chemo. If it’s pushed out a few weeks that shouldn’t make a big difference to how effective it is. Chemo often needs to be delayed due to side effects (low blood count etc)
 
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My Mum got a call from the hospital and they said her CT scans she had on Saturday have shown that she has a blood clot in her lung. This would explain the coughing but she also has a fever. I hope to God we aren't dealing with covid and this blood clot at the same time.
I wish you all the very best.
 
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My Mum got a call from the hospital and they said her CT scans she had on Saturday have shown that she has a blood clot in her lung. This would explain the coughing but she also has a fever. I hope to God we aren't dealing with covid and this blood clot at the same time.
Sorry to hear that, wishing her luck in her treatment and a full recovery. Chin up mate
 
My mum got turned away from the hospital for her last chemotherapy session because she has a temperature of 38 and a slight cough. She had a PCR test yesterday but the results haven't got back to the hospital yet (FFS). Her treatment has been put on hold until at least next week. I understood that the main symptoms of delta and Omicron for fully vaxxed (and boosted) weren't a temperature or a slight cough. If she's got it it's going to be a fecking disaster. feck sake :(. We are now arranging for us all to have a PCR and I did a lateral flow test earlier today which came back negative.
Really sorry to read that. Really hope it all comes back negative and she can get her treatment asap.
 
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My Mum got a call from the hospital and they said her CT scans she had on Saturday have shown that she has a blood clot in her lung. This would explain the coughing but she also has a fever. I hope to God we aren't dealing with covid and this blood clot at the same time.
Any best wishes I have, your mums got them! Hope it all turns out ok.
 
Lowest same day figure for number of patients on mechanical ventilation for more than two months
 
Getting harder and harder to argue against it being less severe be it due to immunity or just the virus itself.

The doomsday models are looking just as stupid as the originals not that will stop the media hounding down peoples throats everyday.

Its simply become a problem that society's have a far too small buffer in hospital beds at all times in the year especially winter.
 
Has it not been 28 days yet? I just watch the death numbers daily as that's all my intelligence can handle. Still 172 on one of the busiest catch up day (Tuesday). Was expecting this to be constantly over 200 at the very least, if not many hundreds. :confused:
 
Getting harder and harder to argue against it being less severe be it due to immunity or just the virus itself.

The doomsday models are looking just as stupid as the originals not that will stop the media hounding down peoples throats everyday.

Its simply become a problem that society's have a far too small buffer in hospital beds at all times in the year especially winter.
It’s still to early to say but it’s looking promising. I don’t think there is anything wrong with being cautious though considering the fact that being blasé about it and being wrong could have cost tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives.
 
Getting harder and harder to argue against it being less severe be it due to immunity or just the virus itself.

The doomsday models are looking just as stupid as the originals not that will stop the media hounding down peoples throats everyday.

Its simply become a problem that society's have a far too small buffer in hospital beds at all times in the year especially winter.

Not even close to being that trivial right now. Thinks could still go very badly wrong. As it stands, we’re basically relying on all these signals about potential lower severity holding true in Europe and the wave peaking lower than you’d expect based on the unbelievably rapid early spread.

I’m optimistic both these things will happen but there’s still a hell of a lot of doubt about each of them individually, never mind both as a pair. If one or other turns out not to be the case then the hospitals will be screwed in a way that is not remotely comparable to any prior winter in the last 100 years.
 
Not even close to being that trivial right now. Thinks could still go very badly wrong. As it stands, we’re basically relying on all these signals about potential lower severity holding true in Europe and the wave peaking lower than you’d expect based on the unbelievably rapid early spread.

I’m optimistic both these things will happen but there’s still a hell of a lot of doubt about each of them individually, never mind both as a pair. If one or other turns out not to be the case then the hospitals will be screwed in a way that is not remotely comparable to any prior winter in the last 100 years.

At what point would you suggest we will know how many weeks in are we now in the UK coming up to 4? (not sure myself)

Personally from all the data gathered so far be it from Denmark, London, UK or South Africa how this suddenly deviates to an absolute disaster looks improbable with the current variant anyway.

I'm optimistic this is the way out of this whole thing.
 
At what point would you suggest we will know how many weeks in are we now in the UK coming up to 4? (not sure myself)

Personally from all the data gathered so far be it from Denmark, London, UK or South Africa how this suddenly deviates to an absolute disaster looks improbable with the current variant anyway.

I'm optimistic this is the way out of this whole thing.

I’m not sure either. But the experts seem to be fairly confident that SA won’t be getting any more curveballs from omicron as of these last couple of days. Which is about four weeks (I think?) since their first case. So that means 3 weeks from now until we’re similarly confident.

DISCLAIMER: I didn’t check any of those dates so could easily be a week or two out, in either direction!