What's the point of stacking up war crimes against them, when their footsoldiers freely shot a passanger airline, and those responsible haven't been brought to justice 8 years on? You can't just waltz in there and arrest Putin, neither is Russia going to give him up, all you're gonna do is shake a finger at him and say it was bad, but we already have UN for that these days.
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Symbolic, I guess?
Well I think it's fair to say the whole of Russia is now unfortunately being punished for these many transgressions. We can only hope that at some point they have had enough and are able to give up the real culprit which is Putin.
Russia have now said they have found evidence of Ukraine making Bio Weapons for America and have uncovered evidence due to their special operation.
Putin, the 2022 version of Bush and Blair.
Putin, the 2022 version of Bush and Blair.
The UAE and Saudi Arabia have had some problems with the Biden administration, they feel like they aren't being backed as promised since the attempted attacks by the Houthi rebels (who are backed by Iran) in Abu Dhabi and Riyadh. Biden has pulled support for the war on Yemen, also, MBS is being prosecuted in the US over the Khashoggi murder. If what you're suggesting is true it would be a complete 360 in terms of foreign policy by the US in the Middle East so I highly doubt it, would undo all of the US's relationship building over the last 15-20 years.
Of all the places the US would decide to secretly create Bio-weapons…right next to Russia in a country with deep Russian ties, multiple contested borders and which has been invaded by Russia recently. Adds up.
Gotta love Putin and his brainwashing attempts.
The guy is desperate, paranoid and insane x1million
At least they invaded and illegally killed people AFTER they made up shit and lied to their respective countries.
A muppet and a puppet.
Ukraine are playing this wrong.
They Need to suddenly find oil and the Americans will be in there in seconds.
It's crazy how America are refusing to supply Ukraine with Jets.
I suspect America would be happy to let Putin have Ukraine at the end of the day.
America a) don't have enough money or resources for wasting on Ukraine.
B) America are probably prepping for a greater encounter in 10 years time and this war is perhaps very untimely to their future plans.
They Need to suddenly find oil and the Americans will be in there in seconds.
It's crazy how America are refusing to supply Ukraine with Jets.
I suspect America would be happy to let Putin have Ukraine at the end of the day.
America a) don't have enough money or resources for wasting on Ukraine.
B) America are probably prepping for a greater encounter in 10 years time and this war is perhaps very untimely to their future plans.
Sorry to be pedantic but do you mean a 180? A complete 360 would just be a circle and leave you facing the same way.
To be fair there is no way that they could have ever known Russia would one day invade and find them.
Because war crimes seem to have been committed.
You'd be amazed at how gullible some are.
Amazed I'd tell you. There's alot of people here in indonesia rooting for putin because he's a proper christian against the corrupt christianity that is west.
I know that is what I responded to
In this age of misinformation, half the world's population will totally buy Putin's claim. Works better than the claim that the Ukranian's are Nazi's.
They’ve got 1 trillion cubic meters of proven natural gas reserves. That not enough for European nations to provide them with jets?
Clearly not it seems
Isn't the issue that Ukraine can't take any jets but only the ones they are currently able to use? So the point you are responding to doesn't really work whether we are talking about the US or most EU countries.
BBC saying that serving British Troops are going missing and heading to Ukraine and if they were captured or found by Russia. Russia would use this as proof to escalate against the west.
I know. I was just flipping the “America, oil, lulz” angle back around, since what they do have is natural gas.
They are trolling at this stage.
US claimed that Yugoslavia is preparing to do genocide in Kosovo -> Russia claims that Ukraine is doing genocide in Donbas.
US claimed that Iraq was developing weapons of massive destruction -> Russia claims that they have found evidence that Ukraine has developed weapons of massive destruction.
OK, sorry misunderstood what you were getting at
No worries
I'm just saying Russians aren't wilfully and knowingly against democracy because they don't have democracy
An obvious example, North Koreans right now are probably close to 100% against democracy
Russians obviously have more freedom to chose than that, but Putin controls the flow of information so they pretty much think what he wants them to
Poland have the jets but won't give them to Ukraine directly.
Poland also want new Jets as replacements.
America refuse to supply or exchange either, as it could prompt Putin to escalate.
I would have made the same remark if Ukraine were open to immediately take US build jets. Because it's kind of true but it also applies to british and French oil lobbies.
Not sure it will happen, but I think it could actually be a smart move in a way. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe Russia doesn't really have any troops west of Kyiv. Imposing a no fly zone over the whole of Ukraine would be fairly big escalation with potentially huge consequences. Simply starting in West Ukraine would be a much smaller escalation as it wouldn't necessarily lead to direct confrontation with Russian troops immediately, hence making it harder for Putin to escalate from there.
Proverbially it would be NATO dipping their toes in the water to test the Russian response, and free up some Ukrainian forces to concentrate on the active war areas. At the same time, if Russia don't have the balls to immediately retaliate, extending the no fly zone to more areas in the country, when half of the country is already one, would seem a smaller escalation than doing it all at once.
Of course it would still be a fairly big step, and Putin probably wouldn't respect the no fly zone over Kyiv for instance. But it probably would give him a headache as to how to react.
The US refused to have them fly to Rammstein AFB and then fly into Ukraine. We didn’t refuse to replace Polish jets if they gave them to Ukraine directly.
Nato would have taken out Russia years ago if it wasnt for their nukes. They are not playing softly softly for sht and giggles. They just dont want to start world war 3.
Poland are in a similar situation, they need the jets themselves and can't take any replacement jets quickly. And logically Poland don't want to fly jets into Ukraine, they are scarred of Russia, as rumoured the US could allow the jets to be exchanged in Ramstein but that's very close to a declaration of war and no amount of gas would see them do that currently and on their own.
Why even make it public that they might supply jets. Just keep it top secret. Then all of a sudden Ukraine attacks with a sht loads of jets and the Russians will just think they kept them in reserve.
The polish proposal makes sense. If the jets are given directly by Poland, it could be perceived by Putin as an act of war and he might retaliate against Poland. Leading to the escalation everyone is trying to avoid.
But if the US was the one giving away jets from its base, then Putin would be less likely to attack the US.
I don't think you could move 20+ jets from their usual airbases to Ukraine without Russian intelligence monitoring it.
The US have confirmed the facilities, too, which is more than Bush and Blair got in Iraq. Though it would seem they are benign. Nuland testified on it yesterday. It was a weird testimony, too, because it gives credence to Russian propagandists (why bother?).
Can't find raw CSPAN footage.
There is a also a human cost that is not comparable to what they have been doing in Ukraine. I have seen one of the expert that is often twitted in this thread make a similar point but Russia's struggles have been in term of logistic because the higher ups seamingly tried to hide the invasion, they are also not carpet bombing or going actually as heavily as they could if it was an open conflict without care for optics.
What we are seeing here is not the strength of Russia's army but the weakness of their strategy when it comes to be subtle and patient.
But even then it wouldn't be as straightforward as it sounds, right? The replacement jets would need to fit with polish pilots training, if they were using MIGs then it would take weeks/months to be ready what is Poland supposed to do in the mean time? Surely it would mean that someone will have to "give" them pilots and jets during that period of time which is part of NATOs missions but still needs preparation and agreements.
They bombed a civilian corridor according to HRW who have an impeccable record. That's worth noting.
Flying NATO jets directly into the skies over Ukraine is still going to be seen as a no-no.
They need to do what the US and UK did to get around the Neutrality Act and wheel the MiGs over the border.
Replacements would be F16, which the Poles already have.