Sorry, what do you mean communist state? There are no communist states involved here.
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Sorry, what do you mean communist state? There are no communist states involved here.
What's dodgier is Poland shipping the planes West for the planes to end up to the East in Ukraine. In what world does that make any logical sense? It's just Poland worried that no one will come to its defense if RU attacks and so they are trying to avoid the consequences, which I don't blame them for what it's worth considering the history.
It's also possible that the planes are already being delivered and this is just a distraction to create plausible deniability. That would be the smartest approach for me at least considering what's at stake.
It doesn't make sense, so yeh it seems likely the public isn't being given the full story here.
It's certainly repugnant but it's not cowardice that's stopping intervention.
Yeah I don’t like the entire logistics of it. I think what Poland are trying to do here is ensure that they don’t willingly become part of the conflict and hence are excluded from possible application of article 5.
To be fair the RU military has held back much of its most advanced weaponry. We haven't heard much about the S-400 as UKR doesn't have much of an air force but it would become relevant in a NATO conflict. The SU-57 felon is supposed to be a good fighter aircraft too, although maybe not as good as NATO 5th gen. It's not that RU doesn't have good weapons it's that they are doing a poor job of coordinating everything into one coherent plan in terms of fighting UKR. It's possible that their plan to fight NATO is much better and such a conflict would mobilize the entire RU population unlike what has been seen so far with UKR.
Don’t buy it at all.
Plus a rumored hypersonic missile system but I have no idea if that thing exists.
Yeah I know what you mean and been thinking it the past few days.
I guess it’s a stick or twist moment; is Russia going to crumble under the pressure economically and do you give it longer, or do you start taking some direct action. Tricky one.
Part of me doesn't buy it either but we don't want to suffer from the same misguided war optimism that RU has suffered in UKR. Once war starts, no one can predict how it's going to proceed. It's best if RU makes the first mistake that we can react to and take advantage of rather than initiate.
Definition of coward
a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
It is most definitely cowardice.
They can die as long as we don’t, happens all over the world.
It was at 201 a couple of days ago.
You wont see the SU-57 in combat because there is only a handful of them. They're not going to risk losing one of those planes and you'll probably not seem them in action for a long time either against Ukraine or Nato.
Russia may have held back its "most advanced weaponry" but im doubting it is holding back much. Saving your best gear when you intended to have this issue dealt with in 2 -3 days is mind mindbogglingly stupid because the overall cost long term would far exceed the loss of that equipment in the short term.
The US as an example, wouldnt send in F-16's and F-18's to each conflict to create air superiority. They would use drones to do recon and the F22's and F-15's would be the first planes in to create air superiority before F-35's and F-18's would commence bombing runs on strategic positions. In saying that, its not really fair because even the F-18's and F-16's are more than capable air superiority fighters if converted for that purpose.
Per wiki, there’s 14 Felons as of last year. They would get neutralized in the first day of a conflict with NATO.
This is giving Russia far too much benefit of the doubt. They've bombed and shelled civilians indiscriminately in Chechnya and Syria. They're doing it again in Ukraine on purpose because they think it's beneficial to their mission and have no qualms about murdering tens or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians.
I can't believe the plane donation idea is still a thing. We are not towing the planes from Poland to a Ukranian military airport on land. Russia will bomb the smithreens out of it before it is even halfway there.
Lets stop this mad idea.
Lets stop this mad idea.
Using that definition we are all without exception cowards.
No one is taking that idea seriously.
That's not really giving them benefits of the doubt. We can't at the same time witness and officially register the fact that they are using an outrageous amount of barely trained soldiers and expect them to be competent or suspect that their blunders or questionable actions come from competency. We can't have it both ways, especially when it is also registered that very competent military forces in the world have made multiple mistakes of similar nature in other places.
You forgot standoff munitions from ground and naval assets but apart from that I agree. I'm just saying let make RU make the first mistake rather than initiate a plan that could have unintended consequences. We would also have to neutralize Kaliningrad fairly quickly to allow freedom of navigation in the Baltics and through the Suwalki gap.
Just to give everyone an idea, the US have 187 Raptor (F-22; Air Force) and 353 Lightning II (F-35B; Marines) deemed as combat ready. There have been several delays in production with the Felon, and thus there is no way we will see them in action here.
Maybe not in UKR but against NATO? I'm sure they would at least put up whatever they have to save some of their airspace, even if it doesn't end up making much of an impact.
This behavior is consistent with everything the Russian military has done since Putin took power. There are elements within the Russian military who are grossly incompetent, particularly the conscripts and new contract soldiers, but the leveling of Ukrainian cities and targeting of hospitals, evacuation corridors, and other civilian centers is essentially Russian military doctrine. When they got information from the WHO/UN in Syria about where hospitals, schools, and other sensitive civilian areas were located, they intentionally bombed them. The fact that their preparation, logistics, and planning staff were incompetent doesn't mean that their whole military is incompetent.
A potential nuclear war that would probably wipe out millions of people in a few days would be a bit more serious than an "unpleasant thing."
It's absolutely heart-breaking what is happening, but other than getting directly involved in conflict with Russia, what else can we do?
The people making the decision aren't doing so out of any fear of personal safety. They are responsible for their citizens including their armed forces, they know intervention will lead to a much much higher death count overall. So no it isn't cowardice it's weighing the morals of risking many to save few, no one wants to stand by but it's the lesser evil here. If it was possible to take Putin out without risking world war level casualties we'd already be at war.
The post was about how bad the Russian army could be if they struggle that much regarding communication. If you have a large contingent of conscripts and soldiers without basic training it is going to be bad, there is no way around it.
Every time Zelensky requests a no fly zone I just see an amateur playing war games. Nato was obviously never going to intervene in direct confrontation.
Do you really think this will stop at Ukraine, the mad man will continue until he is dead.
If implementing a no fly zone over a country which is not theres starts a nuclear war then anything will.
At this point I think NATO will let Sweden, Norway and Finland go down. Ok then as long as you don’t take Germany, UK or France.
Norway is part of NATO.
You’ve just got to hope he doesn’t think if he’s going down, he’s taking the world with him…
It wouldn’t be a case of winning, more not being the only side losing…
Why would NATO, a defensive organisation step in to defend a non member. Then what is the purpose of membership.
It's over an active war zone that would put them in direct confrontation whether it's there's or not is irrelevant. That should be obvious.
It's questionable if they can even hold Ukraine. This fantasy narrative some have of him rolling through Europe that lends itself to starting a world war just in case is childish but by all means go enlist i'm sure they'd have you.
Insulting another member
Amateur playing war games? What the feck are you on about you moron? He’s just desperate by all means as his country is being bombed by the cnut who actually plays war games here. He’s just trying to put pressure on the west, he might not get the noflyzone but instead it may result in getting more weapons or sanctions on Russia.
Why the feck would we?
Said it numerous times. Ukraine are not part of NATO. Nobody in Ukraine envisaged this. I mean to the point of barbarics.
You're right. We should all just rip our shirts off, grab a mini gun and invade Moscow. It has the double benefit of starting a nuclear war right away instead of just waiting for it to happen, plus none of us will look like cowards.