Don't want to shit on Macron, but this has serious meme potential
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Exactly what I’m saying, those who think the eastern NATO countries would actually be protected are envisaging a pipe dream.
It’s the same logic as a no fly zone.
People don’t like to envisage the worst and are irrational about it. That’s life.
Sorry I can't help that you don't understand what NATO is about and their rules of engagement.
NATO falls apart if it fails to defend any of the countries that are part of it so there is little to no chance of it happening.Erm you think that NATO would do
Something if Norway got
Invaded.
They would probably say ok take
Norway just don’t go further please.
I do get your point though, it feels odd watching on as a country is invaded and everyone just hoping they manage to fend off the invaders. Even if there are weapons being handed too them.
Also, next time before you try acting smart at least get things straight…Meeting Putin halfway? He was planning to invade the country for years as he doesn’t believe in Ukraine as a independent nation/state and views it as part of Russia. There was literally nothing stopping this but yeah you can pretend being billy big bullocks in geopolitics.
Because Article 5 clearly states that if any NATO country is attacked the other members have a duty to defend them, because an attack on one NATO country is an attack on all of them.
It wasn't your point. Your point was that NATO should go into an all out war with Russia, which would be near suicide for everyone involved as it could escalate into a nuclear war. It's pretty clear that you originally didn't know Norway was a NATO nation, and instead of admitting you got it wrong at the time you're just continuing with this bizarro world where Putin can invade Norway and the rest of NATO just go with it because, I'm guessing in your mind, Norway is a little country.
You realize what it means when the West intervenes, right?
Apologies but if you really think article 5 matters then you need to take a step
Outside.
I suppose Putin will be arrested for war crimes also.
God bless you for thinking there was ever an option for Ukraine to have its territorial integrity, whilst remaining independent and sovereign since 2014.
What is the point of NATO, then?
I knew Norway is NATO, that’s exactly
My point, I’m not lying, if I’m wrong I’d duly admit it On a forum. I’m merely stating some hard facts.
Your point about article 5 is laughable though. Trust me I wish it wasn’t.
You can tell he has no clue.Don't feed the troll.
My predictions have been wrong in the past but I'm quite sure Putin won't be testing article 5.
MTG of the Duma?
NATO isn’t a country, it isn’t strong, it’s pointless.
He might see the West as weak in some ways, but I also think he has found out a thing or two about his own military. He is struggling mightily against Ukraine, so challenging NATO, who has the best hardware in the world would be utter madness.
Arm flexing? A deterrent that may fall apart when its actually time to deter?
I hope to hell on my part NATO stands firm when the time counts, but under the threat of nuclear war, paper agreements can easily fall to pieces.
Very productive. The disclaimer at the bottom was for you. For sure I have many moral faults, but I won't go into the lengthy list here, plus it will take the thread off topic. I concede to your moral superiority but now I'd rather spend time on someone who has an actual argument.
Well it's kept Putin in his box so far. He's desperate to keep Nato out of this fight.
I do wish Zelensky would stop asking for a no fly zone though. Its never going to happen and its provoking Putin in what is fast becoming a proxy war.
A cnut, and I'm not using that very lightly when that's aimed directly by me at a woman. She is a despicable person of the worst kind.
The American authorities should have done everyone a favor by executing her after she was found guilty of espionage.
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It's not happening, most likely.
Looks like he forgot to fix his gas bill and he's just found out he's on the standard rate
Haven’t followed this thread in a few days, we’ve got some chap who thinks Article 5 is meaningless. The feck happened
So pointless that Putin tried to have Trump make the US leave NATO, which was the plan if he had a second term? Ukraine itself is putting a dent into the Russian army, it would be absolutely destroyed if NATO countries were directly involved. And NATO has directly provided weapons, training & intelligence, along with massive sanctions against Russia, yet Russia has not retaliated vs any NATO nation. So it doesn't seem to be all that pointless.
That's a bit cringe. The pics were taken by his official photographer, and no doubt slightly acted. There's a certain flavour of 'instagram virtue signal' here
I wish I had some of your faith in NATO. I can easily imagine a US president thinking "will I risk a nuke in washington or new york to defend latvia? nah no way". It doesn't seem farfetched at all. I hope we never face that moment, but I can easily see NATO abandoning a peripheral nation if the alternative is a 100% guarantee of global war.
It's a defensive alliance though. It exists to chase aggressors/Russia out of Nato territory. It would never follow them back to their home land, and therefore never justify a nuclear strike against it.
So you solution is for NATO to initiate agression in a war that doesn't directly concern them. Good plan. That's why you are here being brave in a forum while all the actual politicians are out there united in disagreeing with you.
Is Poland ignoring Ukraine then, regardless of a contract. I’m just saying with what I’ve seen already article five means something in a civil society but it will crumble once everyone looks out for their own.
If Ukraine joined NATO in January and russia invaded in February would NATO invoke a no fly zone, fk would they. It’s a detterant and that’s it, it does not go offensive, if Putin feels confident about Norway. Doesn’t bare thinking about really.
No one can be sure of that. NATO would have to bomb targets inside of russia. Who knows how it would go from there...
Couldn't hurt to try. He was brazen banking all his eggs in the western basket, defiant about his burning desire to join NATO. Well here we are.
Being in isolation during the pandemic seems to have had a very negative affect on his psychological state. He has badly miscalculated so many things. He couldn't have believed the sanctions would be so swiftly brutal and that his military would get off to such a calamitous start with ~10k dead in the first couple of weeks. That's a staggering amount.
Whatever his objectives would have been going in, he could end up with a humiliating failure in Ukraine and potentially have a new NATO member on his doorstep in Finland, who share the largest border in Europe with Russia.
It's just a pity the Ukrainians couldn't bomb the shit out of that 60km convoy but apparently they're targeting the fuel supplies with drones which is causing a headache for the Russians.
What was the reason?
Why would it?