Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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At this point I think whether or not we go for Pochettino will represent once and for all what the Glazers and upper management "want" out of the club. Based on his work at Spurs I do think he's shown enough to make us a consistent top 4 side, which might be enough for the money men. However I think it's evident that he is not capable of bringing us to the next level in terms of competing on a regular basis in the PL and CL. Will we have the occasional run to the latter stages/title challenge? Maybe, but it will not be a consistent threat.

ETH may be less of a known quantity in terms of how he'll perform outside the Netherlands, but his potential ceiling appears far higher. I hope the board make the right call. Knowing this club though feck knows.
 
Yeah all signs point to Poch it seems.

You hope for the best obviously... He'd make us better at least I suppose, though we'll still be pretty bleh.
 
Oh ffs you useless bottler, you had one job.

Now we're going to be stuck with him for a few seasons until we inevitably sack him.
 
It's really interesting reading the comments about him potentially being our manager, because at one point Tuchel got sacked from PSG, and people were desperate to get Poch instead of him. Now obviously Tuchel has done fantastically well at Chelsea and Poch has struggled there.
I've been critical of Poch for a while really, but I'd wait and see how he gets on if he does come here, similar with ETH who is far from being a sure thing despite what's said on here, we'll need to show either plenty of patience.
 
Mourinho pushed out of Chelsea. United hire him. Ole pushed/ushered out of Cardiff. United hire him. Poch shoved out of PSG. United don't hire him and go for his bald, Dutch mate in Amsterdam..?
 
Dec9003 said:
It's really interesting reading the comments about him potentially being our manager, because at one point Tuchel got sacked from PSG, and people were desperate to get Poch instead of him. Now obviously Tuchel has done fantastically well at Chelsea and Poch has struggled there.
I've been critical of Poch for a while really, but I'd wait and see how he gets on if he does come here, similar with ETH who is far from being a sure thing despite what's said on here, we'll need to show either plenty of patience.
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Poch was underwhelming at his end at Spurs too, it wasn't just his time at PSG. He was sacked at Spurs, we need to remember. He's been stagnant, or even on a downwards trajectory for a few years now, not just his time at PSG and our history with hiring those kind of managers show it won't end well for us.

Tuchel also took PSG further in Europe, with a lesser squad than Poch has. He's a superior manager, that much is clear.
 
Dec9003 said:
It's really interesting reading the comments about him potentially being our manager, because at one point Tuchel got sacked from PSG, and people were desperate to get Poch instead of him. Now obviously Tuchel has done fantastically well at Chelsea and Poch has struggled there.
I've been critical of Poch for a while really, but I'd wait and see how he gets on if he does come here, similar with ETH who is far from being a sure thing despite what's said on here, we'll need to show either plenty of patience.
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Tuchel's time at Chelsea has been like their recent years....they are a cup team with or without him. They've spent loads of money but are a 3rd/4th place team at their best. Chelsea are a tough team to break down, very solid defensively, and lots of action off the ball. But they still have issues scoring enough goals. Tuchel is a very good manager and his time at PSG was impacted by Leonardo. Didnt get along and his vision didn't align with PSG.

Pochettino won't do anything we don't already know. His ceiling is battling for a CL place and cup runs. At Spurs, he had a very underrated team with very good players who he couldn't get them over the line. They declined in league points every year with Pochettino since they finished second to Leicester.

Pochettino will not say no to United. He'll always be available. But the club need to have a fresh mindset and coaching methods that are more forward thinking...that is ETH.
 
Womp said:
Poch was underwhelming at his end at Spurs too, it wasn't just his time at PSG. He was sacked at Spurs, we need to remember. He's been stagnant, or even on a downwards trajectory for a few years now, not just his time at PSG and our history with hiring those kind of managers show it won't end well for us.

Tuchel also took PSG further in Europe, with a lesser squad than Poch has. He's a superior manager, that much is clear.
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At the end he got them to a Champions League final which given how little Spurs had invested is far better than getting PSG there. All I’m saying is Tuchel who is clearly a very good manager was seen as rubbish only a season ago, whereas we were apparently stupid for not getting Poch, now the same faces are saying we’re stupid if we do get him, the fact that it’s so clearly obvious that one is better than the other despite the risks with either manager is really amusing.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Tuchel's time at Chelsea has been like their recent years....they are a cup team with or without him. They've spent loads of money but are a 3rd/4th place team at their best. Chelsea are a tough team to break down, very solid defensively, and lots of action off the ball. But they still have issues scoring enough goals. Tuchel is a very good manager and his time at PSG was impacted by Leonardo. Didnt get along and his vision didn't align with PSG.

Pochettino won't do anything we don't already know. His ceiling is battling for a CL place and cup runs. At Spurs, he had a very underrated team with very good players who he couldn't get them over the line. They declined in league points every year with Pochettino since they finished second to Leicester.

Pochettino will not say no to United. He'll always be available. But the club need to have a fresh mindset and coaching methods that are more forward thinking...that is ETH.
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They didn’t finish second to Leicester they finished second to Chelsea. Like I said above there are risks with both Poch or ETH, the idea that a guy who has done a good job at Ajax is clearly better than a guy that got Tottenham to a Champions League final and an 86 point finish in the Premier League whilst barely spending anything is really funny, especially considering how Poch was seen in the same way ETH until recently.
 
How the feck do you get knocked out by Madrid when you have an advantage going into the game with the much better squad of players?

I hope United don’t get him. Let’s go all in for ETH. Poch should be a second choice not a first (like his finishes in competitions)
 
He's good but we should steer clear. His teams don't have a strong mentality. Psg should never have gone out to Madrid.
 
Oh my club manutd just love sacked managers. Another one is on the way to manutd, we love sacked managers.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He's good but we should steer clear. His teams don't have a strong mentality. Psg should never have gone out to Madrid.
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He got the perennial bottlers Spurs that elusive top 4 finish on 3 occasions (?). And a CL final. Anybody that thinks they could or should have done better than that are kidding themselves. They've never come close before or after. It inevitably fell apart as it does for most managers eventually, but he did a really good job at Spurs and the fans I know all want him back and never wanted him sacked. Levy is just a deluded idiot.
 
Dec9003 said:
They didn’t finish second to Leicester they finished second to Chelsea. Like I said above there are risks with both Poch or ETH, the idea that a guy who has done a good job at Ajax is clearly better than a guy that got Tottenham to a Champions League final and an 86 point finish in the Premier League whilst barely spending anything is really funny, especially considering how Poch was seen in the same way ETH until recently.
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Great post and you're spot on. Tuchel was actually mocked by many and considered to be the next Unai Emery. I'm all in on Pochettino. I'm not against Ten Hag but he's a much bigger risk for me. The goalposts have changed on Pochettino here in remarkable fashion over the last couple of seasons. What he achieved at Spurs eclipses anything Tuchel achieve at PSG
 
pocco said:
He got the perennial bottlers Spurs that elusive top 4 finish on 3 occasions (?). And a CL final. Anybody that thinks they could or should have done better than that are kidding themselves. They've never come close before or after. It inevitably fell apart as it does for most managers eventually, but he did a really good job at Spurs and the fans I know all want him back and never wanted him sacked. Levy is just a deluded idiot.
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He did very well at Spurs but unsurprisingly went trophyless. A great manager turns bottlers into winners rather hiding behind their historical disappointments. I don't think he's a manager on the up. Would be just like us to sign him.
 
Did a great job preparing the games, but it's now twice in a row that a change in tactics and game state by the opponent catches completely unprepared and unable to react. It took Guardiola the half time break to shred all of his plans last season. This time it was a mistake by his gk(which still left his team in command of the tie) and a double substitution + tactical tweak

That's a serious weakness in a manager at this level. In game management is paramount if you want to win the CL
 
If he gets sacked.... Glazers will be pulling their co@s out and he will be our manager within a week.

No planning, just the cheap option and we end up on this hell ride again.
 
It's harsh to judge Poch on his failures while trying to manage squads full of egos and bottlers.

He'll obviously be much better when he gets to work with our current band of selfless warriors.
 
diarm said:
It's harsh to judge Poch on his failures while trying to manage squads full of egos and bottlers.

He'll obviously be much better when he gets to work with our current band of selfless warriors.
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This is not true for CL KO round though, and especially for this game.

Players have pride and they are often self motivated to turn up for these big occasions. The first leg and first half of this second leg of this tie showed that. This defeat however boiled down to unpreparedness and ability to make decisive in game change, when RM turned the heat up, and went for it. The players ain't selfish nor lazy. They are lost without the guidance from the manager who should see the big picture.
 
I've seen a lot of bashing for Pochettino, specially today when they were winning people in here were telling it was on the players and not into him and when they started to crumble then it was all on Pochettino.

He definitely should had done better with that lead, there were some serious mistakes by PSG but they were still ahead in the tie and he needed to adjust the team. The thing is he must be limited on there as he couldn't bring himself to sub someone, or both, out of Neymar and Messi in order to regain some control but that's part of managing a team full of big names.
 
United in sin said:
Great post and you're spot on. Tuchel was actually mocked by many and considered to be the next Unai Emery. I'm all in on Pochettino. I'm not against Ten Hag but he's a much bigger risk for me. The goalposts have changed on Pochettino here in remarkable fashion over the last couple of seasons. What he achieved at Spurs eclipses anything Tuchel achieve at PSG
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It hasn't moved with me. I've never liked his brand of football, and always thought his attacking brand was a myth.
 
Time to see if United have any footballing brains. I’m not blaming him entirely for the loss as there was some individual stupidity but you win and lose as a team and ultimately the manager is usually partially to blame.
 
People keep citing Pochettino's time at Spurs whilst ignoring the calamity at PSG.

It's like the people who kept harping on Jose's past and kept ignoring his disastrous last season at Chelsea when we brought him in.

And his reign at Spurs ended so badly at the end that Jose himself was an improvement somehow when he was hired for that season.

I mean this is lunacy if we were to employ him. The question mark with Poch was always how he'd do with a bigger team with expectations + resources to match.

Well, he has that at PSG. And he has utterly failed.

He doesn't have it to be a top manager for a team aspiring to win trophies.
 
ti vu said:
This is not true for CL KO round though, and especially for this game.

Players have pride and they are often self motivated to turn up for these big occasions. The first leg and first half of this second leg of this tie showed that. This defeat however boiled down to unpreparedness and ability to make decisive in game change, when RM turned the heat up, and went for it. The players ain't selfish nor lazy. They are lost without the guidance from the manager who should see the big picture.
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I don't think its a question of motivation, but of whether the team has the belief in themselves as a group that will help carry them through the most difficult moments in a match and the most high pressure situations. The way you develop that kind of belief is to play in high pressure matches and perform well as a group in the most important and difficult moments of those matches, to stare at adversity together and overcome it. Then you become confident in yourselves to do it again as a group, and that confidence allows you to perform.

The problem with PSG is that they go the entire season without playing truly meaningful matches against top competition then they end up in these incredibly high pressure situations in the CL knockouts, where they have to deal with some significant adversity with truly high stakes for the first time all season, and they collapse.

Poch's game management was not good but it has happened under every PSG manager.
 
Dec9003 said:
They didn’t finish second to Leicester they finished second to Chelsea. Like I said above there are risks with both Poch or ETH, the idea that a guy who has done a good job at Ajax is clearly better than a guy that got Tottenham to a Champions League final and an 86 point finish in the Premier League whilst barely spending anything is really funny, especially considering how Poch was seen in the same way ETH until recently.
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Worse, Spurs were on two horse race vs Leicester, it was Arsenal who overtook them in 2nd place on the last day.
 
Mate, if he can't win with a team of superstars against a 36yo & 32yo midfield compounded by a 34yo benzema scoring a hattrick, I am not sure he can bring United to any glory.
 
Listar said:
Mate, if he can't win with a team of superstars against a 36yo & 32yo midfield compounded by a 34yo benzema scoring a hattrick, I am not sure he can bring United to any glory.
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Superstars only Messi, Neymar and Mbappé...and Messi is 34 years old.

Neither Danilo, Kimpbembe, Paredes, Gueye, Hakimi, Marquinhos, etc are super stars.

I'd take 36 Modric and 32 Kroos over peak Danilo and peak Paredes any day.
 
Adnan said:
Didn't Tuchel get to a UCL final with PSG?
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Sure but he did it despite the squad frequently having a meltdown and throwing games away in an embarrassing manner. Pochetino isn't bad because he cant overcome PSG's weak mentality and management, but if hes interviewing for a club with a weak mentality and management it doesn't help his case.
 
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