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narrative of Freikorps was that the German army never was defeated in battle, but by gernan socialdemocrats, jews and blood traitors: the so called Dolchstoßlegende. Cosmopolites and the likes were obvioudly ideological enemies as well, but as far as I can tell, they weren‘t considere the readon for Germany losing the war ever.
 
It isn't whataboutism. It's looking to history to see what Putin might be trying to do.
It's drawing comparisons to other conflicts. It's just as much whataboutery as when people draw comparisons to Israel/Palestine or Yemen in order to predict world responses in Ukraine.
 
It's drawing comparisons to other conflicts. It's just as much whataboutery as when people draw comparisons to Israel/Palestine or Yemen in order to predict world responses in Ukraine.

Putin expressly mentioned a fifth column in an address to the nation earlier. People are giving the comment some background.
 
It's drawing comparisons to other conflicts. It's just as much whataboutery as when people draw comparisons to Israel/Palestine or Yemen in order to predict world responses in Ukraine.
1) Using history to interpret present / future events is not what whataboutism means, and that's not what has been moved out of this thread.

2) It's perfectly fine to draw on a historical example to try and gain an understanding of what might happen next.
 
Lots of whataboutery police in here ironically taking things off topic more than actual whataboutery
 
1) Using history to interpret present / future events is not what whataboutism means, and that's not what has been moved out of this thread.

2) It's perfectly fine to draw on a historical example to try and gain an understanding of what might happen next.
It should be. It's still whataboutery.

If you swap the word 'history' with 'parallel events' you get Israel/Palestine and Yemen. And those two examples are far more relevant than WW2 because they involve contemporary nations.
 
It should be. It's still whataboutery.

If you swap the word 'history' with 'parallel events' you get Israel/Palestine and Yemen. And those two examples are far more relevant that WW2 because they involve contemporary nations.
None of these involve a megalomaniac dictator so I am not sure why you are choosing this hill to die on.
 
Lots of whataboutery police in here ironically taking things off topic more than actual whataboutery

yeah it’s getting quite annoying considering the current discussion really isn’t whataboutism at all..
 
Yes. I've personally known 2 of them. One who fought in Vietnam and another who fought in the War on Terror. The one who fought in Vietnam has a few chapters about him in the book 13 Cent Killers and worked with my mom at the post office (of all places). The other's son wrestles for me. I've had the opportunity to talk to both of them about their time as a sniper and the one thing they both really emphasize is that as a sniper, you can see the face of the person you're about to kill... and that takes a toll on you. Unless you're in hand to hand combat, most of the time you'll never see the face of the guy you're killing. It takes some serious internal fortitude to do that job.

Not only that, but sometimes they watch somebody for weeks. Learn their habits, who their friends and family are, what they like to do with their time, how they take their coffee etc. Then they have to shoot them.
 
Not only that, but sometimes they watch somebody for weeks. Learn their habits, who their friends and family are, what they like to do with their time, how they take their coffee etc. Then they have to shoot them.
Think you are talking about some assassins, not combat snipers.
 

Yes, but I think the valid analogy would be the US Army + Marine Corps committing 75% of their active duty forces to an operation, and then taking significant losses. Despite there being another 8 National Guard divisions in reserve, you'd still have to say that US effective forces would be getting suffering significant attrition. Not all manpower is the same, especially in modern war.
 
@AFP: #BREAKING Biden's comments on Putin "unacceptable and unforgivable," Kremlin says
 
The bit explaining what the reference to the Freikorps meant.
But the reference to 'Freikorps' was introduced out of nowhere. If I say that Kharkiv reminds me of Aleppo, does that open the door to discussions of the Syrian War?
 
So what kind of posts about Syria, Yemen, WW1, Israel/Palestine, WW2, etc are acceptable in this thread?
Anything that isn’t doing this…


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If you still don’t understand, please PM me and stop derailing the thread.