Putin has achieved feck all other than destroying half of the country and getting thousands of his own soldiers shot up. He expected a win in 3 days and is instead on the cusp of being humiliated after the Ukrainians are about to turn the tide.
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Putin has achieved feck all other than destroying half of the country and getting thousands of his own soldiers shot up. He expected a win in 3 days and is instead on the cusp of being humiliated after the Ukrainians are about to turn the tide.
Yes, because Putin wanted it to happen no matter what.
If they only wanted NATO exclusion, they didn't have to attack. NATO were already very reluctant to admit Ukraine before the invasion. Simply stationing 190,000 troops at the border would have done the job.
You actually think that Russians haven’t achieved anything? Common mate…
Well what have they achieved?
Has any agreement been reached with Ukraine? No.
Have they captured any major city? No, just a few smaller ones. And even if they do, do they have the necessary economy to support and rebuild these regions that they destroyed?
Have a lot Slavics died because of an idiotic invasion? Yes.
As I was always saying that; Georgia and Ukraine were the red line for Russia.
It’s a perspective thing where Russia feels attacked. Again I’m not condoning Putin and the fact that he ‘ruled’ Russia effectively for the second longest reign after Stalin. I’m just a bit puzzled as to where ‘geopolitics’ got lost..?
Which is amazing considering Russia keeps on being the one invading the other countries you’ve listed there.
Of course they will. Russians will absolutely throw soldiers into the meat grinder and eventually Kyiv will be encircled. What do you think will happen then? Russians will get what they want as sad is it is.
Ask yourself this - Are Putin and Russia better off today than before the invasion ? There's your answer.
Absolutely par for the course for primitive societies. Make no mistake - Russians are primitive.
We'll see. Even if they do, it will be hard for them to capture Kyiv. It will take months. They would do better pulling all the troops out and just using the thermobaric bombs to be honest.
But like I said, what is the end game for Putin? Will he have enough money to provide his puppet government so that they can rebuild everything in Russia's image? I doubt it. Putin already has to feed the mouths of Russia, Belarus, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Now we add Ukraine as well?
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Doesn‘t have enough troops of the skill set needed to encircle & take Kyiv. It’s simply a numbers game.
Correct me if Im wrong, but NATO does not accept anyone with territorial disputes, so joining NATO wasnt happening anyway unless Ukraine planned on invading Crimea, Donbass and Lugansk or giving them up
I don’t have to ask myself. I have cousins whom live in Russia. I get the sense of uncertainty right now. They are all very scared mate.
I’m not sure if I came across right but I just said that this has been absolutely fecking senseless. Everyone that has died in this conflict is a victim and pretty much. Most of the people that are fighting don’t want to be fighting their relatives essentially. It’s clear from the recoil from the Russian and people.
They've isolated themselves from the west and condemned themselves to being a geopolitical supplicant to China. They've galvanised the EU into becoming an international military superpower. They've galvanised NATO into being a more joined up, serious and focused alliance. They've blown up lots of Ukrainian civilians and buildings at the cost of thousands of Russian lives.
All Putin has achieved is excuses to tighten his authoritarian grip on Russia.
Can't such a siege last years potentially? And it is very difficult to encircle a city lieg Kyev. I read Russia would need to deploy 70,000 to 100,000 soldiers for that and it would still be unclear if the Ukrainians still couldn't smuggle food into the city. And the logistics are a key factor here. For that to work they would have to successfully run a convoy of the size of the one that's currently stuck in the mud every three days. This one is now failing to advance for what, two weeks? Or has it been three already? Not to mention that Russia is already running out of trucks apparently and have to deploy civil vehicles.
And that's not even considering the sanctions. It's questionable if Russia even hs the resources to keep it going long enough. Many reports say they are expected that the Russian econommy will collapse around July if the sanctions are kept up. Putin might need enough military forces in Russia shortly if the protests escalate.
There's no territorial dispute in Ukraine. Its simply a matter of a foreign country having invaded it and stolen its land. Crimea and Donbas are broadly recognized as Ukrainian by the global community.
The area that Ukraine would need to improve on for NATO membership is free, fair, and transparent elections, as well as anti-corruption measures, which obviously doesn't happen overnight, especially with Putin fomenting corruption inside Ukraine along the way.
I think the end game was for Russia to enact a regime change within a few days. A week tops. Everything just points to that because they didn’t prepare to give out massive casualties.
End game for Putin, now is signing some sort of document that will agree that Ukraine act as a buffer zone between NATO and Russia. Crimea is officially recognised as Russian territory. LNR and DNR.. I can see Russia conceding those a token gesture. Those areas having a lot of autonomy and pretty much be vassal states.
If i was Zelensky I’d take this deal and run.
Ive never mentioned that Russians didn’t shoot themselves in the fecking face.
So you concede that the invasion has gone terribly wrong and Russia is in a worse position internationally, now, than before the invasion ?
That it is having to be said at all, is revealing.
Well, you're clearly not Zelenskyy, so get prepared for more Slavic deaths I say. I get the feeling the Ukrainians would rather be exterminated on their land than surrender easily.
No, of course not mate. A siege is a military term where one force is literally encircled and cannot get out. That’s not to say that Kyiv would not be raised to the ground and thousands of innocents dead — it would be absolutely horrific.
Given all of the equipment and personnel being shipped out of the Russian occupied areas of Georgia, the Georgians might start getting frisky.
What mate? You sound like I’ve never conceded? This has been an absolute disaster. Objectively it’s the biggest disaster that I can think of.
If Putin were to fall, literally every piece of former Soviet territory currently under his grip will make a move. Beyond the Ukrainians obviously reclaiming Crimea, I could see Kadyrov declaring statehood. Belarus would obviously flip as well.
I reject that argument. What do you think Russia would be doing now to former Soviet countries that hadn't joined? They would either be under threat or destabilised because Putin is an expansionist dictator. Putin is and always has been the problem, not NATO.
I can say that this has been a total fecking disaster for Putin but he will have also achieved everything. He will have shown that Russia will happily destroy it self to the point where I’m not sure western countries will go to. I mean Putin will come away claiming victory and those families whom lost Russian soldiers, they’ll believe they liberated Ukraine. It’s just sad that nothing will change really.
can we say clearly that Ukraine is winning this war?
This is still early. Russians haven't felt the affects of the sanctions yet. 10s of thousands of families won't have their sons or fathers coming home. And the display shown probably makes the likes of Sweden think they'd have a chance vs Russian 1 on 1. This has been embarrassing for Russia more than anything, in my opinion.
Eh, no?
Where did you get that feeling? There is a lot of people whom don’t give a feck who’s in charge - they just want the fighting to stop.
Assuming Putin is successful with his war of attrition in 6 months time, there will be nothing left to govern.
There will be no shops, no schools, no media, no offices, nothing.
A puppet government that is governing over a pile of rubble. Fantastic.
There will be no shops, no schools, no media, no offices, nothing.
A puppet government that is governing over a pile of rubble. Fantastic.
Neither side are winning and both are taking massive losses in different areas.
You have to ask, why are they using this kind of missile for this kind of target? You can't imagine they would have that many. Seems unnecessary from a military POV. If they are using hypersonic missiles on morale boosting, that seems a bit desperate.
The fact they haven't already surrendered? The fact that no major city has been captured after nearly a month?
No one is winning this war. But hopefully, in the end, Russia will have lost more.
Of course not. This has absolutely went tits up. I’m not sure why the feck I’m in a position where I’m trying to give justification to Putin.Do you honestly think this was a goal of his prior to the invasion ?
Let me make this clear; like about 90% of Russians - I supported Putin a long long time ago but the fact that he has changed the constitution and whacked a lot of opposition; that kind of turned me off him.
You know a lot of Russians be against this invasion and also see that Ukraine is a failed state- yes probably because of Russia - nevertheless, it’s a problem that countess, nameless poor souls are getting dead over.