F1 2022 Season

Red Bull are saying that the fuel pump was to blame ro the double DNF , if this is correct and I dont see any reason for it not to be , could be a problem for all teams.
The fuel pump is a standard part supplied to all teams by the FIA and Magneti Marelli.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Red Bull are saying that the fuel pump was to blame ro the double DNF , if this is correct and I dont see any reason for it not to be , could be a problem for all teams.
The fuel pump is a standard part supplied to all teams by the FIA and Magneti Marelli.
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antsmithmk said:
Red Bull are saying it is not the fuel pump.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/1067...-makes-clear-fuel-pump-was-not-the-cause.html
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probably a vape lock due to the car running too hot is wht they said on the race podcast

https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-explains-the-roots-of-red-bulls-defeat/

Fuel cavitation tends to occur as the last dregs of fuel are being pumped around near-empty tanks. As can be imaged, the fuel is heavily sloshed around because of the loads being fed into the car and no matter how well-designed the tank’s baffling system, the temperature of the fuel increases when this occurs.

At a certain point of temperature the fuel begins vaporise and there will be a vapour lock in the pump, the fuel pressure dives and the pump is briefly pumping fresh air. The sudden load changes as the system pressurises and depressurises (together with the excess heat inside the pump from the vaporising fuel) will tend to damage the pumps and eventually they can no longer feed fuel to the engine.

The E10 fuel introduced this year runs at a higher temperature than the full fossil fuel previously used and so the cavitation threshold has changed. Only those teams with enough preparation time to do full race simulations in testing, including running the tanks almost dry, found this out.
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Can't they recreate the issue in FP1 ? Run low on fuel and see what happens.
 
ZIDANE said:
Ferrari fixed the purpoising issue they had in testing along with several other teams reducing it's impact whilst being competitive, I clearly have no idea on the complexities but expect the Merc teams currently having problems to fix it by the European races which I think is the fourth race in.
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Yes someone here (or perhaps it was in the F1 media) mentioned that is unlikely we will see too much change until the European circuit. But who knows!
 
dinostar77 said:
Yes, it was wierd that max fell for the same routine 3 times on consecutive laps. Thats where his lack of patience let him down. Someone like Alonso or Hamilton would have waited for the 2nd drs zone and made sure they were really close to the car infront going into turn 1, not overtaking them. Then the run up to turn 3 would have got the move done.

On a sidenote, i like the fact that the tyre blankets are 20 degrees cooler this year. Hopefully fia stick to their plan to ban tyre blankets in next few years as that would then make the outlap of a stop perilous and really interesting.
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I'm hearing that a lot of the drivers want in house saunas for pre and post race relaxation:nervous:
 
Gringo said:
Can't they recreate the issue in FP1 ? Run low on fuel and see what happens.
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The best theory so far is that the car was very hot already when the safety car came out and that may of been the catalyst for the issue with the e10 fuel. If RB do know what the issue, they may not want to share that with rivals, incase there is a weakness that rivals can pounce on while RB go about rectifying it.

Hard to replicate in practise, but will be interesting to see if RB turn down the engine or will try to avoid running in the hot air of other cars for too long.
 
dinostar77 said:
The "Hard" used this weekend gone was at the extreme end of the scale and at bahrain just seemed too difficult to switch on into the right operating window. I think pirelli will switch down the scale for the next GP, and the Medium will become the Hard for that race.

Maybe after a few races they will revisit the compound for the full on Hard tyre if it literally is unusable?

Good point about the compounds and the lack of tyre blankets. Not sure how they would have a tyre that would heat up quickly from cold and then settle backdown again without overheating and blistering.
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Correct!
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The Firestarter said:
What you suggested (not opposed to) happening goes against the essence of F1 as an engineering / drivers competition though. So that's not just a "change".
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I'm not dying on this hill or married to the idea but just to point out that no it doesn't, that would be if they were all given the same stock car to race. The engineering aspect would come from the other 99% of the car. Half the teams don't develop their own engines anyway so are already by your definition going against the essence of F1 as an engineering competition.
 
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Zarlak said:
I'm not dying on this hill or married to the idea but just to point out that no it doesn't, that would be if they were all given the same stock car to race. The engineering aspect would come from the other 99% of the car. Half the teams don't develop their own engines anyway so are already by your definition going against the essence of F1 as an engineering competition.
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But they are not prohibited from developing it. Its just too expensive for the average team to do it.
 
@Zarlak is getting a lot of stick for his concept but i think he’s being misunderstood. all he is say is that he wishes that all the cars were exactly the same, and that there was only one driver on the grid who takes it in turns to drive the different cars and see which one gets the fastest time around the track.
 
11101 said:
Nobody really does it, only a few road cars have had minor ground effects in the past. It's hard because it needs big tunnels under the car which take up space and it's been banned in most motorsport for years so development wasnt there. Ferrari has its own wind tunnel right at the front gate though.
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Cheers. Interesting.

Mercedes need to find the guy who invented this!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan

Edit: actually he died in 1980 so they need a new approach!

rpitroda said:
It’s easy for casual F1 fans to forget what it’s like when significant regulation changes come in, what it means for F1 teams. We are so used to stable rules and therefore gains year on year tend to be on specific areas and enhancing what’s already there. This is different. We could see cars move around in the field significantly as the season progresses as teams design new things and learn the impact of engineering decisions on their car through practice.

In previous years the cars who were competitive in race 1 would and be expected to remain competitive all year. But this year, teams will move significantly as they learn car set up, as they develop upgrades. The engine rules and budget cap may influence that extent but I still think teams are far from truly unlocking their cars.

The Mercedes’ engine point is fascinating. But I don’t think we will know if it’s really a true engine performance issue until later this season. Can only speculate.
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Massive change. Reminds me of when Lewis first went to Mercedes. No one knew how competive they would be. It was assumed Mclaren would be a stronger team. It was a risky move that really paid off for him in the end.
 
The Firestarter said:
But they are not prohibited from developing it. Its just too expensive for the average team to do it.
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Irrelevant, if they're not doing it for whatever reason then the end result is that half of the paddock are already doing what I threw out there in using an engine supplied to them - the engine just says 'Ferrari' and not 'FIA'. It would presumably also free up funds for the smaller teams to then pursue innovation with the car itself in terms of aero etc.

rimaldo said:
@Zarlak is getting a lot of stick for his concept but i think he’s being misunderstood. all he is say is that he wishes that all the cars were exactly the same, and that there was only one driver on the grid who takes it in turns to drive the different cars and see which one gets the fastest time around the track.
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:lol: Piss off.

I do hope McLaren can sort themselves out, was really disappointing to watch that race. Also I picked Lando and McLaren as my team in all my fantasy leagues so they owe me points.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Gordon Murray hasn’t worked at McLaren in nearly two decades. Further, moveable aero devices such as fans are strictly prohibited…
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That and Gordon's fan is little more than a gimmick anyway from what I've heard.
 
Ferrari apparently ran the power unit in a conservative mode as they don’t yet know the limits of the engine yet and will start upping the levels of power after the SA GP.

also mazapin might not be the worst driver ever one of these lads managed to flip a car while getting toed back to the pits and got hit by a race marshals car at another race

 
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Supposedly Spa might be getting dropped
 
mariachi-19 said:
Gordon Murray hasn’t worked at McLaren in nearly two decades. Further, moveable aero devices such as fans are strictly prohibited…
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The point was really that engineers who have worked with ground effect are still around and have continued working with it since F1 banned them. Murray worked on F1 ground effect cars from 1978 and had a fan in a Brabham for one race over his entire F1 career.

altodevil said:
Supposedly Spa might be getting dropped
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That would be a huge shame, it's my favourite track. They've also spent a load of money on upgrades and redesigns in the last couple of years.
 
altodevil said:
Supposedly Spa might be getting dropped
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sad if it is, I like it, the mighty Eau Rouge, one of motor racing's most famous pieces of asphalt.
Seen some cracking races, seen some bad, lets forget about 2021!!
Also the scene of some horrendous crashes, 1998 being one of the worst and the W series crash last year.
How nobody was killed is sheer luck
 
Weren’t they also going to remodel that corner?

It would be stupid to drop it simply because of last years situation. It’s a classic.
 
Eau Rouge has been neutered it's Raidillion that's dangerous now because Eau Rouge is full throttle and then you come over the crest at high speed without seeing anything that might have happened to the cars in front of you.

But if it gets dropped that will have $ reasons not safety reasons.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Gordon Murray hasn’t worked at McLaren in nearly two decades. Further, moveable aero devices such as fans are strictly prohibited…
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To an aerodynamic engineer, particularly with all the modern computational techniques and a wind tunnel with rolling road, there is probably very little of significance from the previous car designs.

The clever bit is in being able to make everything work at its optimum, taking account of the budget cap.
Everything has to work in unison with everything else.
To get it right, you are probably on a knife edge. And it remains to be seen how Ferrari for example get on with all of the challenges that the F1 season will throw up.
 
I would hate if they got rid of Spa. Best track for me, and I'm sure many others. That can't happen.
 
where has the Spa rumor come from, found this from December.


Is Spa being changed?


As part of an upgrade that is aimed at improving safety, and homologating the circuit for motorbikes, a major revamp is underway. The construction work, which began on November 15, is set to cost the venue around 80 million Euros, but should help secure its long term future for top categories including F1
 
There's no chance Spa gets dropped :lol:

pauldyson1uk said:
where has the Spa rumor come from, found this from December.


Is Spa being changed?
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Yes they've changed Eau Rouge to be more of a corner so that you can't go full speed up the hill.

It's a shame, but unfortunately it was just becoming too dangerous with the wall spitting cars back into cars doing 160mph+ head on
 
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