I’m starting to be okay with this.
Dubai a contender to buy Man Utd
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Sounds like some kind of proxy war
Yeah because that's what people's objections are based on. Feck sake the shite you read on here.
Might be good news
If they own United, the media will then start looking into their morals, which in turn would extend to Newcastle and City
Nobody mentions their owners currently because nobody cares about them. Would take owners like that spending huge at United for anything to happen
If they own United, the media will then start looking into their morals, which in turn would extend to Newcastle and City
Nobody mentions their owners currently because nobody cares about them. Would take owners like that spending huge at United for anything to happen
You'll find there's a lot on here who can't wrap their head around that distinction.
There will be uproar and the government will step in to not allow this.
Which will be unfair in a sense others can become super dupe clubs with bottomless pits of cash but in every other sense imaginable the correct call
Which will be unfair in a sense others can become super dupe clubs with bottomless pits of cash but in every other sense imaginable the correct call
Painful seeing the number of people rationalising this.
Good point, for the first time in its history, we'd see the fit and proper rule being put to use
We aren’t gonna win much with Jim Ratcliff anyways. He’s a businessman just like the Glazer’s and hardly going to bankroll the kind of infrastructure City have acquired.
We can’t compete with them without a state owning our club in the modern game sadly, Building an updated stadium and wiping out our debts plus a vision to turn the stadium into a central hub of sport much like City have. It really would be like winning the lottery for United.
We can’t compete with them without a state owning our club in the modern game sadly, Building an updated stadium and wiping out our debts plus a vision to turn the stadium into a central hub of sport much like City have. It really would be like winning the lottery for United.
The UAE is an allied country and already owns significant assets in the UK. Buying a football club will not cause any UK government intervention at all. Dubai has too much clout in the UK to be stopped. It would politically damaging for the government to try to stop it when Abu Dhabi and KSA already own EPL clubs.
i don’t really mind who buys us as long as it means i can turn up to ot at their first game in charge, wearing a tea towel on my head.
Yes please!
Unfortunately I know for a fact this is not how it works in the UAE.
At the expense of peoples human rights? You're okay with the club being owned by a regime that kills homosexuals and strips women of their rights?
It’ll be the uproar. I guarantee it. I did say itll be unfair in a way and your post explains why. It’ll be Boris and the super league all over again. Win some votes from the lower class who hate our guts |
So then Newcastle and City just hoover up all the trophies while we stay “fit and proper” because we are forced. That’s not fair.
The Newcastle deal ended any hope of control by our governing bodies. If they can own a club anyone can and that’s a fact.
The FA owe us one anyways for allowing the Glazers to pump our club full of debt. Imagine them screwing us in 2005 by not having rules then screwing us again 20 years later by making up some.
If that happens we might as well have defected to the super league because our own FA is trying to destroy its biggest asset.
At this stage, I take them buying us. Not as rich as Abu Dhabi feckers, but still very rich. We also generate so much cash, so we do not need much money injection.
This news came out after though and obviously I didn't mean every single United supporter changed their poistion. Just that this is "the devil you know" spin. Put it out there that a human rights violator state wants to buy the club and suddenly some (not all or even majority of the supporters) will say "I prefer the glazers". Well then that's job done for the glazers pr. Put it out there that a wealthy respectable business man or a pair of celebrity supporters are figure heading a group of investors and it's a completey different choice. It's like ratcliffe. Ask any supporter "glazers or ratcliffe" and they'll all say ratcliffe. Ask them "glazers or middle-east state owned" and not all are picking the middle-east
Which people are hypocrites and why?
That was kind of my point, we'll see one rule for United and one rule for all the others. Wether that's a good thing on this occasion is up to debate, or course
Pogba will regret he left us.
Dubai is part of UAE, not a country on its own. What you are referring to is the financial crisis of 2008 where the richest Emirate, Abu Dhabi, bailed out Dubai. To say that things have changed there since then is an understatement. They recently broke into the top 10 of financial centres of the world and their ambition is to be no1 - as shown by the willingness to invest heavily in infrastructure (airport, financial centre, tourist attractions etc) and technology that provides sustainable energy sources. And who knows, with the money that has been funding London in danger, maybe Dubai will overtake that city aswell.
As for human rights - I can only speak from personal experience of going to UAE but on the surface the exposure of being an international tourist and financial centre has improved conditions tenfolds in only a couple of decades. I'll admit I barely know what's going on behind the scenes, though. Still some way to go, but I have high hopes that international money and pressure will build a more tolerant country. There's also hope that the crown prince, Sheikh Hamdan, will help towards that.. Sadly don't have that hope for Saudi Arabia.
Glory hunting is in vogue. No one is even remotely ashamed anymore.
"But City and PSG..."
Football is dead.
Quite shocked at how many people would be okay with this. You will never be able to troll oil clubs again.
And there's the whole oppresive oil state stuff.
And there's the whole oppresive oil state stuff.
Damn, too many people getting their panties in a twist over a nothing story. The guy literally writes for the Daily Mail.
Yes, exactly! This would almost be on par with the Saudis. Praying it's fake news!
Gimme that oil money baby
If this happens, would City's PL titles "count" again or would United's future titles not count? Asking for a friend.
It's not comparable, though. City were brought from absolute obscurity to winning the league. We're still the most successful club in England (especially since the PL era).
Still dead against being bought by oil money
If Dubai buys us, technically we will be a tourist/financial club, not an oil club. Oil contributes to less than 1% of Dubai’s GDP.
Keep it in minds, Glazers own 70% of the club, not 100%, so if someone want to purchase the club fully , it would take at least 5.5 billions.
Let it be. We will be back up there with the best with loadsamoney to spend and top players coming here.
City's titles 'count' already, i'm not sure anyone even disputes that. Their lack of history and integrity as a 'big' club is contested, but no one questions their title count. What we should be really worried about is if things continue as they are then within the next 15 years we will be looking at a City team that has nearly as many league trophies as us.
State owned clubs dominate football now, we need to accept that. Within 5 years Newcastle will be challenging for tophies too. It shouldn't be the way, but unfortunately it's been allowed to happen. As fans we need to decide whether are we happy not being able to compete on a long-term basis, especially with our current owners, or whether we want the backing that levels the playing field.
Anyway, as someone else mentioned, a state owned club buying Manchester United would likely be the one that brings all the unwanted attention so could be the move that provokes the powers that be to take action.
Good thing you are up front with what you know and don’t know. It seems what’s behind the scenes and what’s onstage is exactly yhe story with Dubai (as with Abu Dhabi). It’s wealth is built on a palatable ‘on stage’ vista, whereas 80-90 % of the people living there and creating the wealth live on slavery terms through the Kafala system, and are prohibited and severely punished if they speak publically or to other people about their conditions. Families livelihoods are held hostage. Journalist and human rights workers are being silenced, jailed tortured. This has been well documented by different sources like Amnesty International, Civica, Human Rights Watch.
The idea that increased interaction can change this has some sense, but hinges completely on one thing: That the curtain and backdrop presented by the tyrants are not accepted, but exposed hand have real consequences. The idea that an authoritarian liar will become democratic and empathic by believing his lies and increasing his power/wealth, is a disastrous mistake to make, because it will make the opposite happen.
Feck off with those petrodollars. I don't want us being owned by a state fund. Any state, no matter what part of the world. If we're not fan owned, then let a private consortium buy us. But no state ownership.
What are you on about?
A private entity with the money required to buy us will always have extremely strong ties to a state. I don't see a big difference. Even in a lot of western countries, corporations have an enormous influence on the legislative or diplomatic process.