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The other reason Putin may be ready to just throw this ragtag bunch of drunk and disaffected into battle is to try and derail the counter offensive.

If these guys just mutiny / surrender en masse the Ukrainians may have 500,000 POW's suddenly appear on their doorstep.

Maybe the UN could setup some camps and deal with them, freeing up the Ukrainians to fight on.
 
buchansleftleg said:
The other reason Putin may be ready to just throw this ragtag bunch of drunk and disaffected into battle is to try and derail the counter offensive.

If these guys just mutiny / surrender en masse the Ukrainians may have 500,000 POW's suddenly appear on their doorstep.

Maybe the UN could setup some camps and deal with them, freeing up the Ukrainians to fight on.
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Yeah that's not it.
 
TIL: despite Finland being seen as the victors of their war against the Soviet Union in 1939, they actually signed over 9% of their territory in the peace deal.
 
sun_tzu said:
Not sure they would have the visa for onward travel to Germany so yeah nice idea but needs some logistics and thought behind it
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Wasn’t this conversation specifically about Germany providing visas (or at least allowing entry) specifically to Russians?
It’s odd that you went for a patronising reply rather than engaging. None of us know how easy or difficult it will be in practice, but let’s leave off with the attitude. We all want the same thing.
 
NicolaSacco said:
Wasn’t this conversation specifically about Germany providing visas (or at least allowing entry) specifically to Russians?
It’s odd that you went for a patronising reply rather than engaging. None of us know how easy or difficult it will be in practice, but let’s leave off with the attitude. We all want the same thing.
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How will they provide visas... as I say nice idea but logistics issues kind of matter because I don't think people can queue up for a visa in Moscow without being rounded up and sent to the front line

Processesing centres in Finland/ Turkey... not sure how practical it us

I agree that providing a route out is a good idea but that kind of involves an actual route ... which I'm sure without being patronising you can coherently explain to me
 
sun_tzu said:
How will they provide visas... as I say nice idea but logistics issues kind of matter because I don't think people can queue up for a visa in Moscow without being rounded up and sent to the front line

Processesing centres in Finland/ Turkey... not sure how practical it us

I agree that providing a route out is a good idea but that kind of involves an actual route ... which I'm sure without being patronising you can coherently explain to me
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If Germany really is intent on providing visas or some other kind of permit to travel, then I’d guess it would be through German embassies potentially worldwide, but in reality mostly in countries close to Russia. During the revolutions of 1989 a huge amount of East Germans made it to the West not through the direct east/west Germany border, but by ‘holidaying’ in Czechoslovakia and Hungary, getting visas there, and travelling overland via Austria. If it happens in this case then I think it will be the same principle, just different interim countries. So I’m sure it’s feasible logistically, the big question for me is whether Germany really is willing to facilitate this in large numbers. For me, that’s the potential problem rather than logistics. I’ll believe that Germany is serious when I actually see it happening rather than when the idea is first mooted.
 
Rajma said:
Everyone in the west should follow, also Israel looks pathetic in all this.
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I believe there are more Russians in Israel than there are people originating from any other country. I’m sure there are other reasons too.
 
Rajma said:
Everyone in the west should follow, also Israel looks pathetic in all this.
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What have Israel done?

The Last i heard was that they had begun supplying weapons to Ukraine in response to Russia feeding the Iranian weapons industry.
 
B20 said:
What have Israel done?

The Last i heard was that they had begun supplying weapons to Ukraine in response to Russia feeding the Iranian weapons industry.
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Only just happened, no support before that.
 
I keep thinking Putin should be known as the "self declared president of Russia" rather than the "president of Russia".
 
cyberman said:
Wouldn’t the vast majority now just surrender? Im not exactly seeing many stories of Russians fighting to the last man in impossible circumstances during this war
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Probably more just deserting.
 
B20 said:
What have Israel done?

The Last i heard was that they had begun supplying weapons to Ukraine in response to Russia feeding the Iranian weapons industry.
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I think the counter UAV systems from Israel where just rumors, nothing has been confirmed by either Israel or Ukraine.
 
TheReligion said:
Better late than never? The EU nations were slow to act themselves and Germany initially supplied batches of helmets…
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I don't think it's fair to say all EU nations where slow to act just because countries like Germany and France where dragging their feet.
The Baltic states, Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia where the exact opposite and has been arming Ukraine since the begining, they have probably given more in comparion to their economic power than any other country, including the US and UK. All the Nordic countries sent their first weapon shipments only days after the invasion started and has continuously been delievering weapons and ammunition since.
 
the hea said:
I don't think it's fair to say all EU nations where slow to act just because countries like Germany and France where dragging their feet.
The Baltic states, Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia where the exact opposite and has been arming Ukraine since the begining, they have probably given more in comparion to their economic power than any other country, including the US and UK. All the Nordic countries sent their first weapon shipments only days after the invasion started and has continuously been delievering weapons and ammunition since.
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This. People should stop equating EU with just France and Germany.
 
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