Foreign secretary advice to LGBT fans.... Be respectful
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I don't get the outrage over Qatar. Sure they're not a perfect country but which country is?
Oh no, they don't like gays. But let's bring the World Cup to England. You know, the country responsible for the invasion of multiple countries and responsible for countless deaths because that's okay. All those criticising Qatar, I'm sure you'll also be calling for boycotts of any sporting activities in the US and England going forward too?
Oh no, they don't like gays. But let's bring the World Cup to England. You know, the country responsible for the invasion of multiple countries and responsible for countless deaths because that's okay. All those criticising Qatar, I'm sure you'll also be calling for boycotts of any sporting activities in the US and England going forward too?
As with other posters - why are you campaigning for less Qatar criticism instead of more (other countries) criticism?
Nobody has the right to claim the moral highground. If you don't like the beliefs, values and practices of Qatari society its very simple, don't go.
If you believe that a sovereign state has the right to rule over its populous in line with Islamic law, in a country where its population wants said laws then be tolerant and accepting of a different belief system that is normal in that part of the world and many others.
Lets not use the cloak of wokeism to deflect what's really at play here which is Islamophobia.
If you believe that a sovereign state has the right to rule over its populous in line with Islamic law, in a country where its population wants said laws then be tolerant and accepting of a different belief system that is normal in that part of the world and many others.
Lets not use the cloak of wokeism to deflect what's really at play here which is Islamophobia.
This argument only works if you witness the alleged offences taking place.
People here are talking about how Qatar is a shithole and they should boycott it etc and how people should be able to express their sexuality there which is different altogether.
If you went there and saw a gay being beaten, then your argument would apply. But instead what's being proposed here is going to the house of a vegetarian with a bucket of KFC because, they should accept that you like chicken.
It’s a very amusing trend where people defending Qatar find it almost impossible to argue unless they bring in the criticism of other countries. We all know why that is.
People bringing up Islamophobia, do you think all Muslims are the same and think the same? Do you think there are no gay Muslims?
It's obvious the criticism is more vocal and mainstream this year due to latent arabophobia and islamophobia in western countries.
This doesn't mean the critics are wrong though.
Won't waste my time trying to argue with people who think every world culture should look like theirs because theirs has been truly fantastic. Waste of time. The same culture that has confused us about our sexes, religion, and identity more than any culture has in history. We are further back than we were in the middle ages despite all our seemingly advanced societies.
Discrimination explained in detail at last.
A)it is true
B) i agree, but you’re missing my point; people have more of an issue with this because its not a western country with western norms. I’m all for calling out injustice, but injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. People from the West are outraged about this because its a country which has values opposed to ours. Just the other day I had someone from frickin Florida tell me how “effed up” Qatar was..like dude your governer is shipping migrants and using them as a political pawn.
Anyway I’ve voiced my opinion on this enough, gonna get back to talking about the football.
How idealistic. The truth is, most people here in the West are conditioned and brainwashed in seeing them as so terrible because they're culturally un-european which makes everything they do that isn't in line with with european values so offensive. Did you pipe up about London 2012? The UK are only recently responsible for invading multiple countries which lead to thousands of deaths, rapes and even created new extremists.
You make your point which technically is fair, but it's only ever applied to deflect rather than to genuinely make an attempt of holding everyone equally accountable.
So you are basically saying the call for human rights is racist. Amazing.
Fair point.
Might be because all of this is built atop the global annoyance that its a non-football country that got the WC through massive corruption, and has subsequently forced league seasons to get interrupted; all to give a small island nation a bump in self-esteem. Throw in homophobic policies on top of that and you can see why the criticism is justified.
There are gay Muslims. Of course there are. Just like there are Muslims that drink and eat pork.
Here's the thing though. To be a muslim you have to accept that being homosexual is a sin.....
Yes, we do.
If we're not a scumbag homophobe we absolutely have the right to claim the moral highground over anyone who is. Just as I'd claim the moral high-ground over someone defending racism, or murder, or rape, or child abuse, or any other obviously morally wrong thing. Why on earth would we act like morally worse positions hold equal value?
Homophobia is wrong, people who defend it are wrong to do so, countries who defend it are wrong to do so. That black and white.
No you don’t.
I also hope if this is the case an equal measure is also used to express dissatisfaction in the exploration of migrant workers alongside the curtailment of freedom of speech.
Homophobia is wrong and should be challenged. I am morally superior to people who don’t believe this to be the case.
Which posters in particular?some posters are pathetic
To be a muslim you have to believe that Quran is the word of God. Otherwise the whole concept of being a Muslim fails....
Imagine typing this and thinking you’re making a valid point.
Here's another thing, we used to have to accept that oppression here in Ireland too. And we got it changed. And people claimed we only did it because we hated God. Yeah I know.
Religions and people evolve.
I'm not British and had little interest in London 2012, but social issues around Paris 2024 are a huge topic here in France and are discussed on the daily, in the same way as this thread.
In any case, purity tests are pointless. Social Rights activists in the US had little interest in US WW2 war crimes and that didn't mean they were hypocrites. Actually, we've created the concept of "intersectionality" to comprehend all societal issues are interlocked and you can fight for one and still fight for all.
But the Quran won't change.
I’m calling a spade a spade, unlike you. Being selective on when you decide to make “the call for human rights” doesn’t exactly make you a humanitarian friend.
It is. But this thread is specifically about the LGBT statement made in the UK today.
The bible didn't either but interpretations do.
This side discussion is ridiculous. Faith is not and has never been defined by one singular constraint. You don't get to decide who's actually a Muslim and who isn't.
The truth is, it's blatant Islamophobes pretending to be the morality police. Countries have engaged in far far worse which literally cost the lives of thousands yet we'd be far more accepting if they were to host the world cup e.g. Russia. Russia got the world cup through the same corruption, not long ago annexed Crimea, stomped on Georgia and while there was some dissent, not anything to this level. Have a wonder why that is.
Partially, but human rights is plural and is equivocal to a multitude of issues outside the parameter of one interest. If the subject matter of moral obligations comes into question it has to be explored in its entirety.
that’s nice. As I said, People and religions do, just because Islam has not gone through the same reforms as other religions it doesn’t mean that individuals and groups within that haven’t.
Not surprisingly you have no idea about me or what causes I am, actively involved in. Basically you have zero data to make such a claim about me or anyone else. At least now we know that you are not very scientific in what you post.
It's OK for you to think Qatar is grand, but people disagree with you. To think they have to have an agenda to do so is delusional.
There won't be one thread on boycott USA 2026.
If Trump or one of his crazy supporters is elected president 2024 there will be shouts of a boycott for sure.
I never said that, again I said there are gay muslims, muslims that drink alcohol and muslims that eat pork. In fact I know a few myself
.My point was it's hard to claim to be a Muslim and also state that being gay is not a sin when the Quran mentions it as being a clear transgression, that would mean you don't believe in the Quran and henceforth would not make you a Muslim, no ?
Yes, but this thread is explicitly about the statement made by the UK government. There is a thread about protest and boycott in general.