Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I'm with you on the destructive impact of Moyes. Yes of course he sacked after only seven months but he set in motion the calamities we suffered under his successors. He didn't have to win a trophy to be successful that season, but he did need to set the foundation for the rebuilding of the club and he utterly failed at that. He led us to the panic buy of Fellaini whom we didn't need and somehow became a fixture under Van Gaal and Mourinho, which disgraced the club. And then he ordered the buy of Mata and had no idea how to use him. And I might have my timeline off on this but was it not under Moyes that Rooney leveraged a massive new contract that we should never have agreed to? And was it not under Moyes that our identity was cut to ribbons?
I wasn't a fan of Ole as manager but those calling him a terrible manager, the worst United manager ever and so on need to take a look at those currently managing or have recently managed in the Premier League.
He's definitely better than some of those, mentioning nobody in particular.
He's definitely better than some of those, mentioning nobody in particular.
I think Fellaini gets a bad rap, yes he represents that horrible era well because of his connection to Moyes, but we've had much worse players over the past decade and always felt he left his heart on the field.
Who said he didn't?
Rooney on 300k/week, just when he was entering the twilight zone of his career and Fergie was totally setting things up to sell him to Chelsea.
Wayne Rooney was set to leave. For some reason he gave him a 5 year contract on top dollar.
Marouane Fellaini says hi. I do like Mata. Nice guy with alot of class. However 2 player that are not Manchester United type players. Mata is way to slow. He belongs in a possession type team. And for Fellaini we paid more then what we should of due to waiting for a clause in his contract to expire.
"Moyes was critiqued for his perceived defeatist attitude while at United. He had referred to their rivals Liverpool as the “favourites” ahead of their trip to Old Trafford (Liverpool manager Brendon Rogers responded "I would never say that at Liverpool – even if I was bottom of the league"), and on Man United, the defending champions, Moyes stated their city rivals Manchester City were "at the sort of level we are aspiring to"
That was Moyes in a nutshell.
I like Ole, but there is no legacy. Okay, we finished second and got to a European final, but then simply limped into the next season. Maybe his hands were tied regarding transfers, but he should have built on that pretty decent start.
Another faint-praise acknowledgement is that he was not Moyes, van Gaal or Mourinho.
Future? Probably back at Molde, or replacing Phil Neville when he "leaves by mutual consent."
Another faint-praise acknowledgement is that he was not Moyes, van Gaal or Mourinho.
Future? Probably back at Molde, or replacing Phil Neville when he "leaves by mutual consent."
Ole wasted over 2 years of development time for the players and ETH has to pick up the pieces for players who’re overpaid and stagnant.
In the long term, he did more damage to us than Moyes did.
Even thou forgot about Rooney, still one Rooney extension and one Fellaini cant beat wasted years and money on transfers and contract extensions under Ole, not to mention some other decisions.
At least we had some memorable wins against our rivals with Ole, with Moyes we had nothing but apathy.
I think Ole was more damaging because he saddled us with more expensive garbage that we will take losses on and still need to spend a fortune to replace. Moyes just wasn't good enough to stem the tide or to cover up the team's several shortcomings which were starting to get exposed in Sir Alex's final season and he also suffered the fate of having an incompetent Woodward ruining his first transfer window.
Would you take him as a United manager in the future if he promises not to bring Ronaldo or any other past-it, old United legend anymore?
No.
Moyes was the underdog at Everton against the big clubs and that attitude carried over at Utd. That's why he never won a game away at Everton, against any top club in over 50 games. He could not adapt to the new job.
He is a decent manager for middle table teams though, he sets his teams in a way that makes them difficult to beat.
Hell no
Let's not make Ronaldo the scrape goat for everything. I think Ole's time would have ended sooner or later in the same manner with or without Ronaldo.
He is up there (rather down there) with the very worst
What? No of course not. Ronaldo is not the reason he was shite
Then ETH will probably be terrible as well.
Surely the time he should have watched is when the match is over and he can learn from it and not make the same mistake in the next match?
Not 3 years down the line.
Thanks for the memories.
He's obviously wanting a return to the dugout and his opportunities are probably pretty slim, he really didn't fare well at the end here. Saying that, it is all media guff so who knows?
He didn't fare well even at Cardiff. So he should look at a different league to get back. Not the EPL.
I don;t think a different league would make any difference to his shortcomings. I just don't think he's cut out to be a successful manager at any club. He could be a good pundit.
Eddie Howe became a pundit and I thought he was good and eventually got a good gig with Newcastle.
Even then I thought he was a much better coach than Ole.
Fecking hell mate, Eddie Howe is levels above Ole in terms of managing / coaching / tactics.
I agree. Granted, I don't see that much hate for him anymore, but I always thought he gave it his all.
Even though he was totally wrong for us, he was rarely the most frustrating player on the pitch for me.
Of course he is.
He won us the EL. He didn't win the motm only because he is Fellaini. Ajax couldn't get near him. Moyes brought him and then didn't know how to use him. LVG came and played him. Jose came and played him. The problem with Jose was that Fellaini was the only plan. As a plan B he is great.
Yeah, he was a symbolic albatross more than he was a physical one.
I had forgotten how good he was in that final, cheers.
Two punts by the club. One lasted barely a year while the other lasted three years.
One had no time while the other had all the time in the world to cause as much damage as he liked.
One had no time while the other had all the time in the world to cause as much damage as he liked.
Still a lot of hatred towards Ole on here it seems. Bizarre. The guy bleeds United more than almost anyone else I can think of
Moyes chanced the best team in the leauge to a middle table team. That's an achievment!
You do know what a punt means?
Masochism max level.Also cringe worthy.
These threads were so cringe at the time. Even more cringe to look back on now. The delusion was something else.
168 matches - that’s 252 hours, or 10 and a half days of footage.
Do we reckon he binge watched them over a couple of weeks or watched them like a weekly show? If the latter and he was watching an hour a week then he would only be on episode 52, with 200 episodes, or nearly 4 more years of episodes to go. What is this, Ertugrul? So I’m calling bullshit on that one.
Bled the club dry that's for sure but the lad has Pas-hun
I think a lot of it is something of a pushback to the rabid way that a lot of the pro Ole people defended what was viewed as a lot of bad stuff during Ole's tenure