Champions League Round of 16 (14th Feb - 15th Mar)

Leipzig have nothing. They look totally disjointed. They've been doing well recently, 5th in Bundesliga but 4pts behind the only club that matters.
 
kidbob said:
You do realise that 4th placed Leipzeig can't touch the ball against a City team that are very much 2nd best in the PL? Bayern are 4 points ahead of this shite? Doesn't say much for me. Funnily enough the teams representing the PL are actually terrible this year. City are a shadow of themselves and Chelsea and Liverpool are absolutely shite. Still Bayern will barely touch a shite City team.
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You really seem to know what you're talking about.
Reads a bit like you're teaching elementary school mathematics with all these football calculations to back up your point.
 
kouroux said:
This is based on nothing. European football is different. City struggled against many shit teams in the league, does that mean those teams would beat Bayern too ?
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I honestly think they would. I see this Bayern team struggling against the likes of Brighton, Newcastle and Fulham. Especially if they had to deal with the PL schedule. Leipzeig are 4 points behind them and they look like a relegation team against City and we all know this years City are far behind what they usually are. Dortmund got outplayed by a terrible Chelsea too, despite their win. Its a bad look for the Bundesliga.
 
FrankFoot said:
That was never an issue for Serie A teams in 80s and 90s.
Competitive league doesn't have to be throw away games in Europe.
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They played at walking pace. Look at the way Arsenal play, and the advantages of not playing in CL.
 
I can't remember a team this dominant so often that is so utterly boring to watch. I wasn't a fan of guardiolas barca either, despite their brilliance, but id watch them over city all day. Robotic football, some people love that, i just don't
 
FrankFoot said:
That was never an issue for Serie A teams in 80s and 90s.
Competitive league doesn't have to be throw away games in Europe.

What PL has is more expensive players that aren't necessarily better, except the ones at top 3 teams, than players in other leagues, especially considering that they bring these exact same players literally from Bundesliga,La Liga, and Ligue 1.
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I think he was joking.
 
Rapsel said:
Yup, can't wait for tomorrow when Ajax and United play. This is far from a CL evening.
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Sneaky, how you put Ajax in there with United, knowing nobody on here watched that 1st leg match. Ajax weren't exactly CL level either in that first leg either.
 
kidbob said:
You do realise that 4th placed Leipzeig can't touch the ball against a City team that are very much 2nd best in the PL? Bayern are 4 points ahead of this shite? Doesn't say much for me. Funnily enough the teams representing the PL are actually terrible this year. City are a shadow of themselves and Chelsea and Liverpool are absolutely shite. Still Bayern will barely touch a shite City team.
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Dude,City have been knocked out by Lyon, Tottenham, and Monaco in the UCL.
Bayern would give them a proper game, no matter how underwhelming they look on Bundesliga.

Again, PL have more expensive players, cause they have more money, still they never dominated Europe during their rich period like La Liga did durin 2011-2018.
 
Leipzig are a better team than they have displayed so far. Shown too much respect to City
 
RG77 said:
Yeah it is strange how many runs he makes and no one goes for it, must be annoying.

City doesn’t really play progressive as one would expect. I guess part of it is inability? So many times (not just this game), when I watch them and they seem intent on passing just to pass. Taking long time on the ball (Mahrez especially) so the opposition is able to close down spaces, too many back and sideway passes, no forward momentum and strange decision making all around by so many players.
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Pep's obsession with keeping the ball has gradually just dulled them as a side. He was playing fecking Silva as a CB in some games to have yet another midfielder in his side. They have 0 directness to their attacking play. They'll still get goals because they have quality and can generally choke the life out of lesser sides, but without KDB it's just a bunch of passing around for the feck of it. The best City teams were those that could dissect teams with the systematic creation (underlapping runs, cutbacks etc.) as well as having player like Sane and Sterling getting the ball in isolations on the wing to take men on. They don't have those types of threats anymore, and also play with a striker that doesn't fit their style at all no matter how good he is.
 
kidbob said:
I honestly think they would. I see this Bayern team struggling against the likes of Brighton, Newcastle and Fulham. Especially if they had to deal with the PL schedule. Leipzeig are 4 points behind them and they look like a relegation team against City and we all know this years City are far behind what they usually are. Dortmund got outplayed by a terrible Chelsea too, despite their win. Its a bad look for the Bundesliga.
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Brighton/Newcastle/Fulham... I mean I'd get your point if it's solely on City but those other teams you mention :lol: Football isn't arithmetics, you cannot just say if "a" beats "b" and "b" beats "c" then it's automatic that "a" will beat "c". Football is a more complicated than that. The PL got a nice humbling last season and last night but it's still not enough. The PL is the best league for sure but the team in them are too overrated
 
FrankFoot said:
Dude,City have been knocked out by Lyon, Tottenham, and Monaco in the UCL.
Bayern would give them a proper game, no matter how underwhelming they look on Bundesliga.

Again, PL have more expensive players, cause they have more money, still they never dominated Europe during their rich period like La Liga did durin 2011-2018.
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I'm talking about this season and about a bad City team making Leipzeig look like a Championship team. They are 4 points behind Bayern and they can't touch the ball against an awful City. It looks bad for Bundesliga. I don't see Bayern doing any better under an average coach like Nagelsman is all.
 
While it is true that City might be the only EPL team to progress, Leipzig and Frankfurt yesterday were really hopelessly dominated by their opponents. Can't help but feel German clubs are too focused on high pressing and transition.
 
Leipzig are team Nkunku and they are missing Nkunku. With attackers like Silva, Werner and Forsberg they'd probably need to catch City in transitions, but even considering City's quality in possession, Leipzig's pressing just seems weak.
The one I'd be most disappointed with is probably Rose, because he didn't seem to have any tactical or motivational trick up his sleeve at all.
 
Lyricist said:
Sneaky, how you put Ajax in there with United, knowing nobody on here watched that 1st leg match. Ajax weren't exactly CL level either in that first leg either.
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Well, you can hardly blame an Ajax supporter for looking forward to an Ajax match. Also I'm paid by VDS to keep Ajax relevant on United forums. We need Kudus and Timber money this summer. You might also want to look into Conceicao for the transfer window in 2024.
 
giorno said:
Porto really are Atletico Madrid lite
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They play a bit more attacking style in the Portuguese competitions and in their Champions League home matches but when they are away against this type of competition Sérgio Conceição resorts to ultra defensive setups.

I actually rate Sérgio Conceição as a manager. Had a good work in France and his Porto stint has been very good. I rate him as better manager than Villas Boas and the current Simeone.

His next career move will probably be Italy due to his connection to the country.
 
kouroux said:
Brighton/Newcastle/Fulham... I mean I'd get your point if it's solely on City but those other teams you mention :lol: Football isn't arithmetics, you cannot just say if "a" beats "b" and "b" beats "c" then it's automatic that "a" will beat "c". Football is a more complicated than that. The PL got a nice humbling last season and last night but it's still not enough. The PL is the best league for sure but the team in them are too overrated
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I think Bayern are the best German team. I don't think this current Bayern, under an average manager, would deal with playing those teams week in week out. I think if Bayern were playing Liverpool last night they would have lost. I think Dortmund were lucky to beat an awful Chelsea team. I think Leipzieg can't touch the ball against City and look like a Championship team. Hence I think that a very poor Bayern (the worst we've seen in years) might struggle to finish top 4 in England, a highly competitive league where Chelsea and Liverpool have been 9th and 10th at times.

Edit- also Napoli made Frankfurt look like they didn't belong either.
 
FrankFoot said:
That was never an issue for Serie A teams in 80s and 90s.
Competitive league doesn't have to be throw away games in Europe.

What PL has is more expensive players that aren't necessarily better, except the ones at top 3 teams, than players in other leagues, especially considering that they bring these exact same players literally from Bundesliga,La Liga, and Ligue 1.
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Serie A players were jacked to the tits in 80s and 90s. Can't use them as examples.
 
kouroux said:
Brighton/Newcastle/Fulham... I mean I'd get your point if it's solely on City but those other teams you mention :lol: Football isn't arithmetics, you cannot just say if "a" beats "b" and "b" beats "c" then it's automatic that "a" will beat "c". Football is a more complicated than that. The PL got a nice humbling last season and last night but it's still not enough. The PL is the best league for sure but the team in them are too overrated
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Sporting would be fighting for premier league CL spots since we beat Spurs at home and drew 1-1 away if things were that linear :lol:
 
kidbob said:
I think Bayern are the best German team. I don't think this current Bayern, under an average manager, would deal with playing those teams week in week out. I think if Bayern were playing Liverpool last night they would have lost. I think Dortmund were lucky to beat an awful Chelsea team. I think Leipzieg can't touch the ball against City and look like a Championship team. Hence I think that a very poor Bayern (the worst we've seen in years) might struggle to finish top 4 in England, a highly competitive league where Chelsea and Liverpool have been 9th and 10th at times.
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One thing you have to keep in mind is that if Bayern were a PL team, they'd be playing a lot of games in London. Those alone might get them near top 4.
 
kouroux said:
Brighton/Newcastle/Fulham... I mean I'd get your point if it's solely on City but those other teams you mention :lol: Football isn't arithmetics, you cannot just say if "a" beats "b" and "b" beats "c" then it's automatic that "a" will beat "c". Football is a more complicated than that. The PL got a nice humbling last season and last night but it's still not enough. The PL is the best league for sure but the team in them are too overrated
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People assume PL midtable teams are better than their counterparts in other league cause they have more expensive players... completely forgetting that these exact same players come from these leagues, and are more expensive than usual cause it's a PL team buying them, so they get charged more for some average players.

Just look at how shit are Everton and Chelsea, and how much money they have spent, that's without mentioning Liverpool literally paid 100 decking millions for such an average player like Darwin Nuñez.
 
kidbob said:
I think Bayern are the best German team. I don't think this current Bayern, under an average manager, would deal with playing those teams week in week out. I think if Bayern were playing Liverpool last night they would have lost. I think Dortmund were lucky to beat an awful Chelsea team. I think Leipzieg can't touch the ball against City and look like a Championship team. Hence I think that a very poor Bayern (the worst we've seen in years) might struggle to finish top 4 in England, a highly competitive league where Chelsea and Liverpool have been 9th and 10th at times.

Edit- also Napoli made Frankfurt look like they didn't belong either.
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They didn't. Sporting got robbed at home against them with some lame ass Slovenian crappy ref.
 
kidbob said:
I think Bayern are the best German team. I don't think this current Bayern, under an average manager, would deal with playing those teams week in week out. I think if Bayern were playing Liverpool last night they would have lost. I think Dortmund were lucky to beat an awful Chelsea team. I think Leipzieg can't touch the ball against City and look like a Championship team. Hence I think that a very poor Bayern (the worst we've seen in years) might struggle to finish top 4 in England, a highly competitive league where Chelsea and Liverpool have been 9th and 10th at times.

Edit- also Napoli made Frankfurt look like they didn't belong either.
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kidbob said:
I think Bayern are the best German team. I don't think this current Bayern, under an average manager, would deal with playing those teams week in week out. I think if Bayern were playing Liverpool last night they would have lost. I think Dortmund were lucky to beat an awful Chelsea team. I think Leipzieg can't touch the ball against City and look like a Championship team. Hence I think that a very poor Bayern (the worst we've seen in years) might struggle to finish top 4 in England, a highly competitive league where Chelsea and Liverpool have been 9th and 10th at times.

Edit- also Napoli made Frankfurt look like they didn't belong either.
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All fair points except this weird prediction that Liverpool would beat Bayern. The Liverpool that's been shit all season long, the one that got humiliated last night ? I see now that you didn't mention Fulham and Brighton anymore :lol:
 
I feel like every time they show Guardiola, he’s mid spitting. Fecking disgusting
 
FrankFoot said:
People assume PL midtable teams are better than their counterparts in other league cause they have more expensive players... completely forgetting that these exact same players come from these leagues, and are more expensive than usual cause it's a PL team buying them, so they get charged more for some average players.

Just look at how shit are Everton and Chelsea, and how much money they have spent, that's without mentioning Liverpool literally paid 100m for a meh player like Darwin Nuñez.
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The same Chelsea who outplayed Dortmund? That's exactly my point. The PL teams are shit this year but the Bundesliga teams can barely keep up with that.
 
FrankFoot said:
People assume PL midtable teams are better than their counterparts in other league cause they have more expensive players... completely forgetting that these exact same players come from these leagues, and are more expensive than usual cause it's a PL team buying them, so they get charged more for some average players.

Just look at how shit are Everton and Chelsea, and how much money they have spent, that's without mentioning Liverpool literally paid 100m for a meh player like Darwin Nuñez.
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Or they’re taking the better players from your mid table leagues?
These arguments never stack up when the blood rushes to other leagues fans.
Even now 3/4 CL teams aren’t consistent top 4 sides this year anyway. Chelsea and Liverpool are the EPL mid table sides
 
Rapsel said:
Well, you can hardly blame an Ajax supporter for looking forward to an Ajax match. Also I'm paid by VDS to keep Ajax relevant on United forums. We need Kudus and Timber money this summer. You might also want to look into Conceicao for the transfer window in 2024.
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Haha, that's fair.
 
FrankFoot said:
People assume PL midtable teams are better than their counterparts in other league cause they have more expensive players... completely forgetting that these exact same players come from these leagues, and are more expensive than usual cause it's a PL team buying them, so they get charged more for some average players.

Just look at how shit are Everton and Chelsea, and how much money they have spent, that's without mentioning Liverpool literally paid 100m for a meh player like Darwin Nuñez.
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If an argument is made for the best team in the PL to beat the rest of Europe in one off or 2 legged tie, I could understand it. However those midtable PL teams are just as good/bad as the rest of Europe's. What they've been doing in European competition for years proves that
 
Rapsel said:
Well, you can hardly blame an Ajax supporter for looking forward to an Ajax match. Also I'm paid by VDS to keep Ajax relevant on United forums. We need Kudus and Timber money this summer. You might also want to look into Conceicao for the transfer window in 2024.
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Conceição? The story here in Portugal is that he hasn't been that good so far. Surprised you mentioned him.
 
kouroux said:
All fair points except this weird prediction that Liverpool would beat Bayern. The Liverpool that's been shit all season long, the one that got humiliated last night ? I see now that you didn't mention Fulham and Brighton anymore :lol:
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:lol: well Brighton and Fulham are 'those teams' they'd be playing week in week out!! I actually think Pool played ok last night, just that Madrid are a weird machine in Europe!
 
FrankFoot said:
People assume PL midtable teams are better than their counterparts in other league cause they have more expensive players... completely forgetting that these exact same players come from these leagues, and are more expensive than usual cause it's a PL team buying them, so they get charged more for some average players.

Just look at how shit are Everton and Chelsea, and how much money they have spent, that's without mentioning Liverpool literally paid 100 decking millions for such an average player like Darwin Nuñez.
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I'd put Brighton as being as good or better than any Bundesliga mid table team and they have spent feck all money.
 
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