I’m not sure if Poch is the right man for the job. After the Utd and Real Madrid snubs he sure would have a point to prove though
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I’m not sure if Poch is the right man for the job. After the Utd and Real Madrid snubs he sure would have a point to prove though
From the 3 mentioned:
Pochettino: absolutely not wanted - a failure at every level. How he managed to lose the league with PSG should have been the end of his managerial career. Plus he’s a slithering reptile.
Kompany: Unknown risk, like Potter although Kompany has certainly a winning mentality and a bit of bite to him and has played under good managers.
Ange Postecoglu: I’d be included to accept this more than Poch. Has won at club and international level, plays inverted full backs which does work well in this league and has a real positive approach to football. A huge risk but he’a an experienced manager albeit at a lower level. A much more attractive appointment that Potter was.
Pochettino: absolutely not wanted - a failure at every level. How he managed to lose the league with PSG should have been the end of his managerial career. Plus he’s a slithering reptile.
Kompany: Unknown risk, like Potter although Kompany has certainly a winning mentality and a bit of bite to him and has played under good managers.
Ange Postecoglu: I’d be included to accept this more than Poch. Has won at club and international level, plays inverted full backs which does work well in this league and has a real positive approach to football. A huge risk but he’a an experienced manager albeit at a lower level. A much more attractive appointment that Potter was.
I’m not particularly enamoured with Poch either but how was he a failure at Southampton and Spurs? He proved himself to be a good coach who can develop young players and play a decent brand of football at those clubs. It seems like his reputation completely fell apart in Paris. I don’t think he was seen as this utter joke after leaving Spurs.
Ange Postecoglu over Pochettino is one of the most bizarre football takes I've heard. And I'm a fan of Ange.
I personally put an asterisk over Pochettino's time at PSG because the club has been shown consistently to be a basket case, and a number of good managers have struggled there, having done well elsewhere. As for Southampton and Spurs, to say he was a failure at either of those clubs reeks of the entitlement you'd expect from a Chelsea fan.
What is known about Poch is he's great with young players, which is required for this very young and raw Chelsea squad. We know he's hungry and eager to prove himself. I do think the baggage from being a former Spurs manager carries genuine risk, but based on what tye club actually seem to want (a youngish project manager who can work with young players) he's actually the obvious candidate.
There's no point in going from Potter to Poch, Postecoglu or Kompany.
Nothing about them says they'll be any better. If it's any of those and we don't get in new goal scorers I'd expect next season to be worse than this one...
Nothing about them says they'll be any better. If it's any of those and we don't get in new goal scorers I'd expect next season to be worse than this one...
Probably the end of Kompany links. Whether proven or not, being under investigation is enough.
It's a load of nonsense.
Kompany was never an option but that's got nowt to do with some bollocks from the Daily Mail.
I’m not entirely confident about any of the names mentioned but I really do not want Poch anywhere near Chelsea.
There isn’t a real standout option available either but anyone will be an upgrade on Lampard.
There isn’t a real standout option available either but anyone will be an upgrade on Lampard.
That goes without saying, he should never have been reappointed, even on a short term deal. Called that the day it happened. Kompany is definitely not being considered, that’s paper talk.
From what we actually do know, it’s Poch or some left field appointment and I’d take Poch. He did a good job with an above average spurs side and with a young Southampton side. He is still a smug cnut to me but I’m willing to wait and see if it could work. In any case, I’m glad they’re taking their time on it.
I actually can’t tell if I underrate Poch because of my dislike toward him. Similar to Rafa?
The PSG stint and losing out on a title race when Leicester won the league reeks of a bottle merchant and not someone I want in charge.
I would say it is exactly that and I’ve been in the same boat. I was totally against him but when I saw the sheer volume of anti Poch Chelsea fans I thought it might be prudent to reexamine why I was against his appointment so much. I compared his Tottenham spell with Nagelsmann at Leipzig and you could argue Poch at Spurs is more impressive of the two. Then both of them went to a one team league essentially and won it once each before getting sacked.
Other being quite a bit younger, what is it about Nagelsmann that made him such a more popular choice? I concluded it was because of his past at Spurs and for me that wasn’t really enough to discount him when he actually did a really good job there.
Flick my preferred choice. Napoli manager spalletti another choice. Pochetino just not fit for chelsea in my opinion. Of course if he get the job and proved me wrong i will be really happy but in my opinion it will be a disaster.
Its funny to see Benitez mentioned. I think he'd be a good appointment too. I didn't mention him because i remember how much you hated him the first time.
Yeah anyone would be better than Lampard but Potter wasn't a bad coach. Tuchel definitely wasn't. I think you need an experienced coach who can put out fires. I'd sack most of them after a year or two when things had settled but i think thats the kind of appointment you need.
Yeah anyone would be better than Lampard but Potter wasn't a bad coach. Tuchel definitely wasn't. I think you need an experienced coach who can put out fires. I'd sack most of them after a year or two when things had settled but i think thats the kind of appointment you need.
I do see the next coach as a kind of a stepping stone to get us to a place where the next coach can come in and take us up the final level. So Poch isn’t the final boss in the game, if you will. He’s the boss before the final boss. I know we’ve spent an obscene amount of money in the last 12 months but I still don’t feel the club is set up to win at the moment, so Poch (or Nagelsman, Enrique etc) is the guy that rebuilds the foundations and develops the young players we’ve played lots of money for and we’ll see where we are in 12-18 months and who’s on the market.
I see Enrique as a guy to come in and put the finishing touches to a team more than one to build and develop a team. Nagelsman might make sense but i think you'd need the right environment and set up to make the most of him, which i doubt you have. I think he'd probably go like Potter and just look like hes drowning a bit.
I've argued against hiring Poch a million times as an appointment here. I just think this is a situation where he'd make a lot of sense. Making you a steady presence in top 4 would be orders of magnitude better than your current situation
That phrase again. Someone needs to explain to me a bottle merchant in a manager.
Not if Enrique was the one to come in right now. I know we have spent a lot of money but I just do not feel that we're primed to compete for anything major (title and CL really) in the next 12-18 months so it would make sense to get a coach who can work with the players and develop them and hopefully pick up a domestic trophy or two along the way.
There’s a shining example close to home for you
How does a manager bottle a series of football games though? He picks a team, he gives instructions, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Not sure what bottle has to do with it? Unless they really lose it like Keegan did or just chop and change for changing sakes, that even the likes of Pep are guilty of in big games.
But I've seen Poch do neither really (or Arteta for that matter).
Not to mention that it was Tuchel who had PSG in third initially that season they didn’t win the league.
L. Enrique has developed teams such as Barcelona B and Celta in a notorious way. He has experience working with young players.
I think he would be a necessary signing for Chelsea giving him time.
Asking Chelsea for titles with a new coach and players having teams like City, Arsenal and some others who have been working with the same people for years, is very unfair and that would only lead to failure.
Chelsea must be patient and progress every year until they can fight for important titles.
Guess we will actually see Poch at Old Trafford this season.
Wonder which team will @Amadaeus support in that game?
Guess we will actually see Poch at Old Trafford this season.
I think it’s a weak appointment, but also not sure what Chelsea’s options were. I’d be very disappointed if I were a Chelsea fan.
There aren't many options available right now. Poch works long term, has a history of developing young talent, can work with a DoF, is low profile enough to allow Boehly & Egbahli to interrupt and take over dressing room talks. Don't see anyone else fitting this profile.
We can't know how wide a net Boehly cast, but he did come up short on takers for the job, didn't he? Maybe it's because the season is still going. But both Enrique and Nagelsmann seem to have walked away from some reason. I think Boehly is the hard meddler type, and they didn't like that. So, Poch it is! I support that appointment, of course. I think it would be great... for the rest of the league.
I think it is Chelsea who walked away from Enrique and Nagelsmann who walked away from Chelsea, though the Chelsea PR briefs suggest they weren’t convinced by Nagelsman either.
It’s not having the balls to change from plan A because you really hope plan A pulls through for you because it has all season. You need to adapt when the game gets away from you but you’re frozen because of the criticism you’d get for taking off a big player or changing their position only to drop points anyway. There’s a few games this season when you should have dropped points but it boils down to last 5 minutes madness that got you out of trouble. It’s easy to fall into the comfortable trap of thinking what you did all season worked so if you keep doing it you when the noose tightens you’ll be just fine.
Clubs will always brief this way to save face. Boehly wasn't convinced by Nagelsmann and Enrique, but is convinced by... Poch? I just find that exceedingly hard to believe. More likely, there was a clash of characters, especially Enrique. Poch on the other hand has proven to be an agreeable person.
But reports out of the Spain also say Enrique was desperate for the job and even wanted to take charge against Real Madrid and was left disappointed when Chelsea announced Lampard as the caretaker. By all accounts, it was Chelsea saying no to him. One of the reasons cited, which feels like a poor one given he was he was my preferred choice, was that he had been out of club football for a little too long.
Poch was my least favourite choice so it would be a very underwhelming appointment but I honestly don’t see a huge gap between the 3 main options.
Well, I guess you would be more in the loop than me. If that is the reason Chelsea turned down Enrique, and then go on to hire Poch... This is some genuine clown fiesta you've got going over there.
But surely the last minute goals shows that continuing with a Plan A in those games worked? On the weekends game we finished the game with Jesus, Nketiah, Trossard, Nelson, Saka and Odegaard all on the pitch. I think that deviates away from Plan A and scored 2 late goals. At Liverpool he had the bottle to go to a back 3 to change the game. That didn't work that time.
Anyway, back onto Poch. Being an Arsenal fan, I have no love for him, but I think he's a very good coach, maybe not elite but I wouldn't put that down to 'bottle'.
I don’t know if it’s the only reason but was one of the reasons cited.
I’ve been trying to talk myself into thinking Poch can be a good hire for us. He has a good track record in exactly what we need right now - a coach to develop the young players we have invested so much money in. The likes of Mudryk, Madueke, Badiashile, Fofana, Enzo, Gusto have cost around 350m between them and they’re all 22 or younger.
Has anyone in the PL had 5 different managers in a season before?
Will Frank get a point before he leaves?
@WeePat If/when it's Poch is he expected to be coming in now or in the summer?
One of the weirdest things I saw on Twitter was that the Conte/Tuchel aggressive handshake thing was from this season
Feels like it happened like 18 months ago and each club has had like 3 new managers since then
Feels like it happened like 18 months ago and each club has had like 3 new managers since then
At the end of the season.
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