If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the reason an open category has been created is because female athletes were unhappy at seeing their records and places diminished. So this is a way to allow trans athletes to participate as well as maintain female spaces. I think the total exclusion could be what female athletes wanted i.e. a clear distinct separation. I can't imagine why a female athlete would want to compete with biological males anyway in a sporting sense.
So your alternative is to let trans athletes erase female athlete sporting achievement and places? How is that accommodating to female athletes?
I know you didn't say it, but that's the situation that prompted this whole open situation. So at some point, you're going to have to make a judgement on what's fairer (or better). Is it the erasure of female athletes sporting achievements and places or a separate category for trans athletes? I know which is both fairer and better because it maintains female athlete participation and provides a clear defined space to include trans athletes, and it seems the sporting bodies do too.
It's fairer / better to the female athletes who seem to be continuously ignored by you. It doesn't matter what I think, but it should matter what they think.
It's so simple that we have 60 pages and nearly 2500 posts debating this in one Redcafe thread alone. I guess some of us are just that thick, right?
It's the total disregard for females that really annoys me. It's repackaged misogyny.
Why have a female category at all? Why not have everyone lumped into 1?
But if a cis women wants to compete in the open they can't, hence it's not open is it.
You're a reasonable poster, so don't take it to heart (I mean there are others on your side of the discussion that are way worse). But it is incredibly frustrating having this conversation and we're continuously told to 'think of the trans athletes' where that care doesn't extend to female athletes who are seeing their sporting spaces and achievements diminish by the day. And then the ironic thing is, we are thinking of trans athletes, hence an open category, and now that's not good enough because none of them applied(!)....and this is why it is a difficult discussion with no easy solution. You try to have a civil and reasoned debate about something and get accused of being misogynistic or transphobic.
Please stop making things up.
Ah right on cue - weren't you hysterically bleating not long ago that everyone who opposes inclusion of trans athletes in female sports was transphobic?
That feels like the least of anyone's concerns in this whole situation.
It's closed to someone that's a ftm transperson?
Yes but depends on the sport
Thank you.
How many want to be identified that way? Especially if they transitioned as teens, they’d have no interest in being publicly identified as trans. Isn’t the point to just compete in their new identity? I think that’s point of a lot of the anti-trans laws: so people are outed.
