VorZakone
What would Kenny G do?
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Yes, but only the cluster-bomb variant-at least initially that was the case.Did they actually get these? Must have missed it.
I guess that thing really packs some punch. Perhaps a little too strong even, maybe that's why Biden was so hesitant to provide it.
Apparently they supplied only a handful of these, but their existence alone in the theater will force Russians to move back their helicopters deep into the rear significantly reducing their effectiveness and ability to cover their infantry in time.They've only supplied the older, shorter range version, which fits with much of the equipment so far. Capable but not the very latest models.
Apparently they supplied only a handful of these, but their existence alone in the theater will force Russians to move back their helicopters deep into the rear significantly reducing their effectiveness and ability to cover their infantry in time.
Another russian assault this morning in Avdiivka, yielding same results as all the previous one:
Ukraine now has much more ammo though, including cluster munitions, meaning that enemy can no longer overwhelm them with endless meat assaults as they call them. It’s actually impressive that russians can still keep going as they do having lost more than 10 thousand (visually confirmed only) pieces of mostly heavy equipment. All of europe should be eternally grateful to Ukraine that they’re holding them off from getting on our doorstep, basically. People are really the cheapest going currency in their army.Feel like this is the precursor to Bahkmut all over again. Russians just chuck shit at the target and eventually overwhelm Ukrainian defences.
It works both ways too, as Ukraine found out at the start of the counter offensive. Ukraine seemingly has a much higher regard for life, so very quickly took a more cautious ground approach (at least that’s how I see it).
For all the endless of talk of “Russians running out of stuff” you do think sooner rather than later they’re going to be degraded to the extent of not being able to support a huge invasion force. Like, a year more maybe? No idea, but they don’t exactly conduct themselves sustainably.
The feck do I know though, they could have only used the tip of the iceberg when it comes to equipment.
Putin invites Biden for tea, so, basically a death threat.
Putin invites Biden for tea, so, basically a death threat.
Feel like this is the precursor to Bahkmut all over again. Russians just chuck shit at the target and eventually overwhelm Ukrainian defences.
It works both ways too, as Ukraine found out at the start of the counter offensive. Ukraine seemingly has a much higher regard for life, so very quickly took a more cautious ground approach (at least that’s how I see it).
For all the endless of talk of “Russians running out of stuff” you do think sooner rather than later they’re going to be degraded to the extent of not being able to support a huge invasion force. Like, a year more maybe? No idea, but they don’t exactly conduct themselves sustainably.
The feck do I know though, they could have only used the tip of the iceberg when it comes to equipment.
I’d agree.I think its more so a simple matter of existing weapons in the US arsenal go to Ukraine, and those are replenished by new weapons through existing defense contracts.
I doubt it will have a significant impact either way if last winter is anything to go by as the fighting didn’t really stop.Has the weather started to turn there yet? How much impact will it have if so?
Has the weather started to turn there yet? How much impact will it have if so?
On the side note, I feel like people in Europe still don’t really acknowledge the lurking evil just around the corner, as the military production is still at such low levels despite the on-going full scale war with the intensity not seen since WW2 with countries walking back on their % GDP commitments to NATO and their defenses. Only this week Russia lost (visually confirmed) 200+ heavy armor (tanks, IFV, artillery), while most European countries don’t have that much armor in their stocks full stop. I have heard quite an opt metaphor comparing European countries to those carefree people dancing and enjoying themselves during the music festival in Israel.
If you look at Russia's losses yesterday, not yet. 55 tanks, 120 APVs in just one day.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/world/asia/ukraine-russia-nepal.htmlScores of young Nepali men have gone to fight, some lured by Russia’s promise of work, others to fight for Ukraine, raising the prospect of Nepalis fighting one another in a distant war.
Nepali officials are urging young men to stay away from the war. Mr. Bajgain says that the government should tell the Russian Army to stop recruiting Nepali citizens but that the government doesn’t have “the guts” to do it.
If you look at Russia's losses yesterday, not yet. 55 tanks, 120 APVs in just one day.
True. Russia loses in one day what many NATO countries have in total stock. We live in a very dangerous time, where the autocrat axis (Syria, Iran, Russia, NK, China) challenge democracies, some of them openly, some through proxies. If we do not rise to this challenge and use our superior economy to strengthen our armies as a deterrent, we risk a future full of war and misery.
These FPV drones are replacing traditional artillery to an extent given their superior accuracy, especially for moving targets. This is some boom:
Yes, in this case TOS was loaded for sure.The explosion was that large because of the target ordnance detonating I assume? I'd assume the drone can carry much less explosive than a regular artillery shell.
Cluster munitions doing the job they were designed to against Russian meat assaults, if only US didn’t slow ball the delivery of these weapons that Ukraine requested ages ago, would have saved so many lives for AFU during the Bakhmut meat grinder.Ukraine now has much more ammo though, including cluster munitions, meaning that enemy can no longer overwhelm them with endless meat assaults as they call them. It’s actually impressive that russians can still keep going as they do having lost more than 10 thousand (visually confirmed only) pieces of mostly heavy equipment. All of europe should be eternally grateful to Ukraine that they’re holding them off from getting on our doorstep, basically. People are really the cheapest going currency in their army.