Westminster Politics

fecking peaceful protesters forcing those EDL bastards to come down and be bastards. Not like they had a choice, the poor flag munching, pork pie waving twats that they are.

I just wish that protestors avoided having their protests on days when the world's media will be there. They should protest on quiet days when nobody will notice what they're doing.
 
Maticmaker said:
I think if there had not been a 'protest' march planned this weekend then the idiots at the cenotaph would not have had an excuse to turn up with their version of protest, which is always violent, and could have been predicted as accurately as the sun rise.
'Protest' and 'Remembrance' are not the same thing.*

People who believe the UK government should call for a full ceasefire in Gaza have every right to organise and take part in a Protest March, in the country's capital city, I just feel it would have been more effective for the protest's cause to have deferred for this weekend.



*see above... no 'mental gymnastics' needed, just common sense.
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It wasn't even on Remembrance Sunday though. If anything, doing it the same weekend minimises disruption in the capital. How many days either side of Remembrance Sunday would be acceptable out of interest? And how many Palestinian children die per day?
 
Maticmaker said:
I think if there had not been a 'protest' march planned this weekend then the idiots at the cenotaph would not have had an excuse to turn up with their version of protest, which is always violent, and could have been predicted as accurately as the sun rise.
'Protest' and 'Remembrance' are not the same thing.*

People who believe the UK government should call for a full ceasefire in Gaza have every right to organise and take part in a Protest March, in the country's capital city, I just feel it would have been more effective for the protest's cause to have deferred for this weekend.



*see above... no 'mental gymnastics' needed, just common sense.
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I think you’re absolving the government in having any part to play in the incident at the cenotaph with their dog whistling and labelling it as a hate march. The other important element is that the Palestine March wasn’t even by the cenotaph…so any unsavoury presence there has very little to do with the protestors.

The incident all over is just weird though. Why attack police defending the cenotaph if you want to defend the cenotaph?
 
TwoSheds said:
It wasn't even on Remembrance Sunday though. If anything, doing it the same weekend minimises disruption in the capital. How many days either side of Remembrance Sunday would be acceptable out of interest? And how many Palestinian children die per day?
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It was Remembrance weekend.
It wasn't about minimising disruption, at least for me, it was about staging a political protest, i.e trying to put pressure on the UK government to change its stance on calling for a full ceasefire in Gaza, on this particular weekend. Albeit a legitimate protest for many people in the UK, also for many people in the UK the Remembrance weekend is a special/honoured time and for many of such people political protest and remembrance should not be mixed.

It was obvious that certain parties would drum up tensions and that would bring various 'Numpty's' on to the streets, and that most likely it would be the Saturday. If the organiser's could not have anticipated this then that is unfortunate, presumably the Police did.

Michele Obama was once quoted as saying "when the opposition goes low, you go high", this in my opinion was a chance to win more hearts and minds in the UK by 'going high' and thereby, either postponing the march until the following weekend, or by calling for it the protest' to become a silent vigil, with no political banners or the shouting slogans in respect for the nature of the weekend in the minds of the public.

Have no idea how many children die in Palestine per day... one per day would be one too many!
 
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Maticmaker said:
It was Remembrance weekend.
It wasn't about minimising disruption, at least for me, it was about staging a political protest, i.e trying to put pressure on the UK government to change its stance on calling for a full ceasefire in Gaza, on this particular weekend. Albeit a legitimate protest for many people in the UK, also for many people in the UK the Remembrance weekend is a special/honoured time and for many of such people political protest and remembrance should not be mixed.

It was obvious that certain parties would drum up tensions and that would bring various 'Numpty's' on to the streets, and that most likely it would be the Saturday. If the organiser's could not have anticipated this then that is unfortunate, presumably the Police did.

Michele Obama was once quoted as saying "when the opposition goes low, you go high", this in my opinion was a chance to win more hearts and minds in the UK by 'going high' and thereby, either postponing the march until the following weekend, or by calling for it the protest' to become a silent vigil, with no political banners or the shouting slogans in respect for the nature of the weekend in the minds of the public.

Have no idea how many children die in Palestine per day... one per day would be one too many!
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That's not a thing.
 
Maticmaker said:
It was Remembrance weekend.
It wasn't about minimising disruption, at least for me, it was about staging a political protest, i.e trying to put pressure on the UK government to change its stance on calling for a full ceasefire in Gaza, on this particular weekend. Albeit a legitimate protest for many people in the UK, also for many people in the UK the Remembrance weekend is a special/honoured time and for many of such people political protest and remembrance should not be mixed.

It was obvious that certain parties would drum up tensions and that would bring various 'Numpty's' on to the streets, and that most likely it would be the Saturday. If the organiser's could not have anticipated this then that is unfortunate, presumably the Police did.

Michele Obama was once quoted as saying "when the opposition goes low, you go high", this in my opinion was a chance to win more hearts and minds in the UK by 'going high' and thereby, either postponing the march until the following weekend, or by calling for it the protest' to become a silent vigil, with no political banners or the shouting slogans in respect for the nature of the weekend in the minds of the public.

Have no idea how many children die in Palestine per day... one per day would be one too many!
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There's no such event as Remembrance Weekend I'm afraid, a new construct to have a go at the protesters. A Christian goes to church on a Sunday, it doesn't make it church weekend.
 
TwoSheds said:
There's no such event as Remembrance Weekend I'm afraid, a new construct to have a go at the protesters. A Christian goes to church on a Sunday, it doesn't make it church weekend.
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I tend to agree with you, but with Saturday being 11th November, this weekend has been slightly different.

Not that I believe an anti-war demo should be prohibited on any day of the year.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
That's not a thing.
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It was this a year,* with both Armistice day and Remembrance Sunday being on following days, a point which seems to have escaped the organiser's.

TwoSheds said:
There's no such event as Remembrance Weekend I'm afraid, a new construct to have a go at the protesters. A Christian goes to church on a Sunday, it doesn't make it church weekend.
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There is ....See above*
Its not a question of 'having a go at the protesters,' its about their own ability to undermine their own actions by not thinking things through.

decorativeed said:
I tend to agree with you, but with Saturday being 11th November, this weekend has been slightly different.

Not that I believe an anti-war demo should be prohibited on any day of the year.
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That's the whole point, the protest was not being prohibted, the Police had already said they were allowing it. The onus was on the organisers, to garner even further support amongst the general public, by either offering to move to another weekend or turning the protest into a silent vigil, without banners, without chants, etc.which would have been more in keeping with the mood and theme of Remembrance.

Can't help feeling the organisers missed an opportunity this weekend to get their message across to a range of people amongst the general public who otherwise would have not even noticed their protest, and at the same time by their lack of foresight have opened the door to others who want to demonise what they are calling for.... the government is off the hook!
 
Maticmaker said:
'Protest' and 'Remembrance' are not the same thing.*
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The protest was on armistice day.

armistice
/ˈɑːmɪstɪs/

noun
  • an agreement made by opposing sides in a war to stop fighting for a certain time; a truce.
 
Eyepopper said:
The protest was on armistice day.

armistice
/ˈɑːmɪstɪs/

noun
  • an agreement made by opposing sides in a war to stop fighting for a certain time; a truce.
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Yeah, I thought a demonstration in favour of peace on Armistice Day made perfect sense. The vast majority of people were there in peace and a lot of them wore poppies and observed the silence. Police were OK with it I don't see what the problem was.
 
Maticmaker said:
That's the whole point, the protest was not being prohibted, the Police had already said they were allowing it. The onus was on the organisers, to garner even further support amongst the general public, by either offering to move to another weekend or turning the protest into a silent vigil, without banners, without chants, etc.which would have been more in keeping with the mood and theme of Remembrance.

Can't help feeling the organisers missed an opportunity this weekend to get their message across to a range of people amongst the general public who otherwise would have not even noticed their protest, and at the same time by their lack of foresight have opened the door to others who want to demonise what they are calling for.... the government is off the hook!
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Do you think they should have done focus groups with middle Englanders to find out which version of calling for a ceasefire was most palatable to them first? One where all elements of protest have been replaced with quietly doing nothing instead, presumably?
 
I don't think there's any chance of frottage being the Tory leader, nor do I think he even wants it (as much he allegedly claims he does).

The man built his reputation and cult following as a dissenting showman on the fringes of politics. Its why he bailed the moment the Brexit vote concluded and left the mess to others. He hasn't a clue on how to actually govern and I think he himself knows it. Can't risk exposing himself. Its why he's carrying on the circus chomping on monkey bollocks in Australia.
 
King Eric 7 said:
That autocorrect really had me stumped for a few seconds :lol:
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All I'm going to say is that my autocorrect assumes I'm trying to type "garage".
 
Maticmaker said:
I think if there had not been a 'protest' march planned this weekend then the idiots at the cenotaph would not have had an excuse to turn up with their version of protest, which is always violent, and could have been predicted as accurately as the sun rise.
'Protest' and 'Remembrance' are not the same thing.*

People who believe the UK government should call for a full ceasefire in Gaza have every right to organise and take part in a Protest March, in the country's capital city, I just feel it would have been more effective for the protest's cause to have deferred for this weekend.



*see above... no 'mental gymnastics' needed, just common sense.
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Yes, who would protest for an armistice near Armistice day. Its just not in the spirit of things.
 
Beginning of the end for Sunak

Its also inadvertently placed the blame for the weekends events firmly at his government’s feet. Quite bad politics really. He should have given her a warning privately and sacked her immediately next chance.
 
She should never have been allowed back after her first sacking, the vile toxic bitch. Can they ship her off to Rwanda?
 
Pexbo said:
Beginning of the end for Sunak

Its also inadvertently placed the blame for the weekends events firmly at his government’s feet. Quite bad politics really. He should have given her a warning privately and sacked her immediately next chance.
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Nah he showed belated balls sacking her. It would have been worse for him to keep her on.
 
VP89 said:
Nah he showed belated balls sacking her. It would have been worse for him to keep her on.
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Not sure it’s ballsy to do it so late. At this point he would have had more respect from me if he kept her and made her eat shit
 
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