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Its incredible, you really believe that by stating that Armistice day and Remembrance Sunday in the UK, in particular when they occur side by side (over a specific weekend) should be kept free from protest of any kind ...is itself some form of misuse, or is weaponising it.... ?

Well you've taken my breath away!
Because it's a silly position for people to take that remembrance of the innocents who died in the wars of the last century should take higher priority than protesting - whether it'll ultimately be in vain or not - in the hope that it may prevent people dying in war today.

With the greatest respect, I don't think those who died last weekend in Gaza will have preferred that people held off the protest till a week next Tuesday, or whichever day you think is more acceptable.
 
I still have to pinch myself that this vile individual was in the honours list. Does she actually think she can hold her seat at the next election :lol:



That letter is just so badly written if nothing else. I'm sure she was an education minister as well. Grammar is all over the place!
 
A reminder:

Saturday 11th had the Lord Mayors Parade (which started at 11.02 am), 5 premier league matches (one started at 12:30pm), a full table of championship, league and non league games, I went to see the marvels, I also was at Cannock Chase and saw dozens of mountain bikers. Every road was full of cars.

So why precisely, on this solemn of solomn days, are people only claoming a single protest is an insult to the fallen? Sureley everything should have stopped. Like it does every year.

Oh wait, it doesn't and never has. Even in the 50's it was the 2 minutes then back to normal.
 
A reminder:

Saturday 11th had the Lord Mayors Parade (which started at 11.02 am), 5 premier league matches (one started at 12:30pm), a full table of championship, league and non league games, I went to see the marvels, I also was at Cannock Chase and saw dozens of mountain bikers. Every road was full of cars.

So why precisely, on this solemn of solomn days, are people only claoming a single protest is an insult to the fallen? Sureley everything should have stopped. Like it does every year.

Oh wait, it doesn't and never has. Even in the 50's it was the 2 minutes then back to normal.
Excellent point.
 
That letter is just so badly written if nothing else. I'm sure she was an education minister as well. Grammar is all over the place!

Grammar is atrocious but she did get one thing right.

"Boris, the man who won the Conservative Party a massive majority, was unforgivable enough."
 
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I might sound like a real asshole, but I can't wait for the boomer generation to fade away.

Isn't that what Boris suggested should happen during Covid after they had all voted for him!
 
So what I’m hearing is we can think it but not say it?
Well personally I have a tendency to think poorly of people who wish me dead, if I said the same about your generation I'm sure you'd feel the same way
 
I might sound like a real asshole, but I can't wait for the boomer generation to fade away.

not all of them. just the thick as shit ones.
 
Well personally I have a tendency to think poorly of people who wish me dead, if I said the same about your generation I'm sure you'd feel the same way
Respectfully, he said he can't wait for your generation to fade away, not that he wishes you dead. There's a massive difference and I think you've over reacted a little.
 
I still have to pinch myself that this vile individual was in the honours list. Does she actually think she can hold her seat at the next election :lol:



Given how many scumbags in Bravermans constituency seem to think she was great, I don't think a lot of the real shitheads will get the boot.
 
Respectfully, he said he can't wait for your generation to fade away, not that he wishes you dead. There's a massive difference and I think you've over reacted a little.
It means the same thing, I have no wish to fade away

Anyway I take issue with folks who basically blame my generation for most of the ills of today, take Brexit, you blame the boomer generation for the UK leaving the EU but forget that it was that generation that got the country in to in the first place, and just for clarity, I have never voted for a Tory in my life and Brexit was the biggest feck up the country ever did in modern times
 
Sunak's on his way out, surely? Cameron's a shit but he's got 10x the gravitas of Rishi, and the ERG will hate that he's replaced Cruella.
 
It means the same thing, I have no wish to fade away

Anyway I take issue with folks who basically blame my generation for most of the ills of today, take Brexit, you blame the boomer generation for the UK leaving the EU but forget that it was that generation that got the country in to in the first place, and just for clarity, I have never voted for a Tory in my life and Brexit was the biggest feck up the country ever did in modern times

Presumably the "boomers" (born 1946-64) would have been a very small proportion of the overall vote in 1975. 18-29 cannot have been the age group that mattered most.
 
It means the same thing, I have no wish to fade away

Anyway I take issue with folks who basically blame my generation for most of the ills of today, take Brexit, you blame the boomer generation for the UK leaving the EU but forget that it was that generation that got the country in to in the first place, and just for clarity, I have never voted for a Tory in my life and Brexit was the biggest feck up the country ever did in modern times

As others have said, he’s not speaking about you, and the stats don’t lie about, in this example, the Brexit vote. You are in the statistical minority.

Stats always show ‘that generation’ are more likely to vote Conservative and are small c conservative about many of the issues of the world right now.

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Presumably the "boomers" (born 1946-64) would have been a very small proportion of the overall vote in 1975. 18-29 cannot have been the age group that mattered most.
Is what chooses the government pretty much every election
 
Is what chooses the government pretty much every election

...sure. Given the referendum result in 1975 had more than twice as many votes for joining than against, I don't think it is at all a relevant comment though.
 
...sure. Given the referendum result in 1975 had more than twice as many votes for joining than against, I don't think it is at all a relevant comment though.
It's as relevant as blaming the boomer generation forthe majority of the countries failings though, which is what the general trend seems to be
 
It's as relevant as blaming the boomer generation forthe majority of the countries failings though, which is what the general trend seems to be

As ever there is a lot of resentment based on this Government's overtly divisive policies and some right wing loons saying deliberately provocative things about anyone under 30. I would love to have some of the opportunities afforded to my parent's generation, but I know they would have loved some of the advantages that I have had.
 
It's as relevant as blaming the boomer generation forthe majority of the countries failings though, which is what the general trend seems to be

That's great, I am just pointing out that they probably factored a bit more (a lot more?) Into the vote to leave than the vote to join. Particularly as it was a lot closer.
 
As ever there is a lot of resentment based on this Government's overtly divisive policies and some right wing loons saying deliberately provocative things about anyone under 30. I would love to have some of the opportunities afforded to my parent's generation, but I know they would have loved some of the advantages that I have had.
That's fair comment and I agree with it
 
Yes it is, but will get no political change in the UK government stance, especially with an election due in the next 12 months.
That's not strictly true.

The tone of messaging from the UK government and even Keir Starmer has already been toned down from the previous stqnce of, unquestioning support of Israel. That is since the backlash and before the protest.

War crimes and watching mothers and babies die does not poll well with most of the UK population.
 
Now that Cameron is foreign secretary. Does that mean he be able to instigate a discussion and referendum to lead the UK out of another continent or even off the planet?
 
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Now that C aeron is foreign secretary. Does that mean he be able to instigate a discussion and referendum to lead the UK out of another continent or even off the planet?
I've never seen the need for all those small islands cluttering up the place. All those unelected druids on Angelsey for example, all smug with their fresh air and red squirrels. Surely its time we had a say yes?
 
As others have said, he’s not speaking about you, and the stats don’t lie about, in this example, the Brexit vote. You are in the statistical minority.

Stats always show ‘that generation’ are more likely to vote Conservative and are small c conservative about many of the issues of the world right now.

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I'd love to know the thought process of the 5% of voters for the UK Independence Party who voted against independence.
 
Its incredible, you really believe that by stating that Armistice day and Remembrance Sunday in the UK, in particular when they occur side by side (over a specific weekend) should be kept free from protest of any kind ...is itself some form of misuse, or is weaponising it.... ?

Well you've taken my breath away!

Well, whether you like it or not the basic mechanism here is that certain people (and I'm not saying that's you) are trying to use the attachment to armistice day to counter a completely unrelated case they don't like (protest over Gaza), by spuriously making out that the latter is an insult to the former. That's the weaponising. I don't see how that's reasonable. Apparently, the protest even included an observation of silence. It doesn't seem reasonable to me that marking the armistice should require all other urgent things to be put on hold, as if everything happening today is just sordid, petty squabbles by comparison.