I do not ignore. But it's still not a mass execution of people captured and held in a prison camp.
Oh dear.
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I do not ignore. But it's still not a mass execution of people captured and held in a prison camp.
Oh dear.
There are witnesses, times, location, and UN-confirmed killings in one instance. There are over a dozen bodies that had been rotting for days riddled with bullets in another. What kind of evidence would suffice: video footage of the act? If it has reached a stage where the UNOHCR disseminates a press release demanding an investigation into a specific event, it probably isn't your typical emotive rumour or misinformation from a war zone.
I'm not doubting that people died, innocent people. But were they captured, put into camps, and then, when they clearly posed no danger what so ever, executed in masses?
I absolutely do believe that this could've been done because I consider the above reports to be credible. I guess that in the absence of elements such as footage or on-the-ground reports from international press then you are unlikely to be convinced, but I would be curious to know if you believe that any of what we have seen in Gaza has crossed the threshold of the kind of acts you see the IDF as capable of committing, and if the answer is yes, then why would this be beyond imagination?
No, I do not.
The mass execution claim of prisoners, however, would be crossing that threshold. Massively.
A story went sorta viral on a Jordanian getting murdered in Hamburg for his pro-Palestinian sentiment.
Hamburg police respond:
Hamburg police respond:
It's a crazy World we live in.
We all want peace.
We all want peace.
There's no threshold, they have been given carte blanch from the Americans after the latter's clownery in the UN.
People should follow what's happening now in Al Maghazi and Al Bureij to see that this "army" is operating outside any boundaries.
No we don’t, just look around you.
I should rephrase it as, 'I want there to be peace'
It is both sad and true what you say... not everyone does want peace
I should rephrase it as, 'I want there to be peace'
It is both sad and true what you say... not everyone does want peace
Same here my friend, but it is not in our nature as a species. I wish it was.
Another refugee camp hit in a targeted strike no doubt. 70 dead.
If this is some other nation the condemnation would be on another level.
But it's Israel so meh...
There will be rise in terrorism. These last few months would be a breeding ground for the next decades, and not just in the US but all over the world.
But it's Israel so meh...
There will be rise in terrorism. These last few months would be a breeding ground for the next decades, and not just in the US but all over the world.
The story may be false.
But two months ago you were steadfastly denying that the IDF bombed the Al-Ahli hospital, and said if they did it must have been accidental because it wasn't "in Israel's interests" to do such a thing. They've bombed many hospitals since then. So it's possible your assessments of what the IDF will and won't do are inaccurate.
The whole of Gaza is a prison camp and 20k dead IS a mass execution.
Oh dear is right. Your mask has slipped
Surely there will be laws that require some kind of screening and involvement of the justice system.
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Nothing to date.
Any other conflict then likes of SO15 get involved. To date nothing for IOF according to reports.
A petition was done in 2014 asking parliament to look into this.
This part of the response is telling:
Section 4 of the Foreign Enlistment Act 1870 makes it an offence for a British subject to enlist in the military of a foreign state at war with another foreign state with which the UK is at peace. That prohibition does not extend, however, to enlistment in a foreign government’s forces which are engaged in a civil war or combating terrorism or internal uprisings. The Occupied Palestinian Territories are not currently recognised as a state by the UK. Israel has taken military action against individuals and groups within Gaza but has not made a declaration of war. In these circumstances the 1870 Act would not apply.
I edited my original comment, but what you point out is concerning. Surely this should be updated considering the genocide taking place. Is there a new petition?
Not sure if there is a new one. ICJP have news on these matters so might be worth looking at what they are currently reporting.
Strangely the Met police have been reported as visiting Palestinian houses in UK, those with family in Palestine. But nothing for IDF reservists. Seems they have special status.
But that's not the story and claim posted here. Is it?
My response to you started with
Don't know about the whole detention camps and mass killings per se.
But your write up of the IDF is something...
As in was not really about "the claim"
War is a good business for many
You should have stopped at the first line, because that was the main thing I was talking about. I'm not here to defend the IDF, I know some of the things it's doing is indefensible - I was just pointing out that this isn't some bunch of evil ogres.
And again, the main thing was that someone posted something from Twitter which was just a lie.
There were some links posted to back up the claim. You seemed to have ignored them.
My point was the IDF have form for doing that kind of thing and have been for years. It's part of their training as pointed out by ex IDF.
And sure I agree they are not a bunch of evil ogres. Evil ogres aren't as discriminate and hell bent on killing kids and Innocents.
Also it maybe just my imagination, I'll let others decide, but it seems a few (including you) only come in to respond to certain comments and it's pretty much always a defence of what is becoming indefensible.
It's always "but x doesn't hold any power" when a post is done about X making comments about killing all Palestinians. Or in this case IDF are not evil ogres, totally ignoring the killing of kids just walking, or journalists, or celebrating bombings etc etc.
No, the IDF does not hold people in camps and then executes them.
I've seen lthe inks and claims. I've seen no evidence.
I watched that PBS frontline doc that was posted some amount of pages ago.
While it was good, it also skipped over major events IMO. Such as the Hebron massacre committed by Goldstein, the first intifada, 2008 & 2014 Gaza wars.
I know the doc was mainly focused on Netanyahu but still, can't just leave out the above events.
They did include the policy of letting the Qataris finance Hamas with Netanyahu's approval, I thought that was very good.
While it was good, it also skipped over major events IMO. Such as the Hebron massacre committed by Goldstein, the first intifada, 2008 & 2014 Gaza wars.
I know the doc was mainly focused on Netanyahu but still, can't just leave out the above events.
They did include the policy of letting the Qataris finance Hamas with Netanyahu's approval, I thought that was very good.
OHCHR OPT has received disturbing information alleging that Israeli Defence Forces
(IDF) summarily killed at least 11 unarmed Palestinian men in front of their family
members in Al Remal neighbourhood, Gaza City, which raises alarm about
the possible commission of a war crime. This comes in the wake
of earlier allegations concerning the deliberate targeting and killing of civilians at the
hands of Israeli forces.
Palestinians whose permits to work in Israel were revoked are believed to be held in detention camps.
source human rights groups
Nearly 700 people have been arrested in the occupied West Bank and occupied East Jerusalem since Israel’s war in Gaza began. On Monday, Israeli forces raided a school near Hebron where Palestinian workers from Gaza were seeking shelter.
source Al Jazeera
The exact number of workers present in Israel as hostilities began remains unknown, but thousands are thought to have been rounded up by the Israeli army and transferred to undisclosed locations.
Source human rights groups and trade unions.
sounds like camps and executions.
Merry Christmas redcafe.
Wouldn't have got in with the fences and checkpoints.
The little donkey would have been bombed as a Hamas military vehicle.
Where are the executions in the camps? Where's the evidence to any of it?
I'm not disputing the existance of such camps, btw.
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Exactly what you expect from gangs of murderers with a genocidal maniac in control. Don't forget they also have the most dangerous country to world peace as their biggest cheerleader.
on 8 December, Israeli forces stormed the building and arrested all the men and some women, stripping the men and taking them to an unknown destination. After midnight on 10 December, the Israeli forces released a group of detainees including multiple elderly people, then targeted them only minutes later with a tank shell and a quadcopter flying over their heads
Source euromed
I know I know they waited till they were out of the execution camp
Also
The United Nations Human Rights Office says it has received “disturbing” information about a summary execution of Palestinians by Israeli forces in Gaza City on Tuesday. The U.N. agency reports that during a raid on a building in the Al Remal neighborhood, Israeli soldiers allegedly separated a group of men from women and children and then shot and killed at least 11 of the men in front of their family members. Soldiers then allegedly ordered the women and children into a room and either shot at them or threw a grenade into the room.
I know I know it's allegedly. However multiple sources citing it
Ben-Gvir said his Otzma Yehudit, or Jewish Power, party “is the one that submitted the draft law to execute Palestinian prisoners,” adding that the draft “is expected to receive support by all members of the Knesset.”
Not to make all the executions "legal" at all?
Anyone confirm or deny this source?
The Government Media Office (GMO) revealed that the Israeli occupation army committed field execution crimes against 137 Palestinian civilians in the governorates of Gaza and the north.
The GMO Director-General, Ismail Thawabteh, said in a press conference on Saturday evening that he received testimonies about the Israeli occupation army establishing detention camps east of Gaza City, where large pits were dug and dozens of Palestinian citizens were placed alive, and then they were shot dead in cold-blood before being buried using army bulldozers.
The Government Media Office (GMO) revealed that the Israeli occupation army committed field execution crimes against 137 Palestinian civilians in the governorates of Gaza and the north.
The GMO Director-General, Ismail Thawabteh, said in a press conference on Saturday evening that he received testimonies about the Israeli occupation army establishing detention camps east of Gaza City, where large pits were dug and dozens of Palestinian citizens were placed alive, and then they were shot dead in cold-blood before being buried using army bulldozers.
Good but incomplete enough to swerve the narrative for people who know jack shit about this conflict. The devil is in the details.
I really like PBS Frontline but they dropped the ball really hard on this one.
Gaza was hell before October 7 and there was silence, are we surprised there is silence now?
Reverend Munther Isaac in his Christmas message in Bethlehem
Reverend Munther Isaac in his Christmas message in Bethlehem
Just empty words from daydreaming lunatics who don't matter.