Manchester United vs Roma

Ok well we're down to the bare bones with Park out and Saha to start on the bench at best so....

GK: VDS

RB: O'Shea
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Brown
LB: Heinze

RM: Fletcher
CM: Carrick
CM: Giggs
LM: Ronaldo

CF: Rooney
CF: Solskjaer (although personally id go with Smith)

After the first leg i was sure we'd go through but after the pompy game im not so sure 1-1 :(

Why play Giggs in the middle and Fletcher on the right.?Giggs has been awful recently in central midfield.He seems a bit lost there.
 
any info on this guy? can Roma have him in their pocket like the last one?
He's another one of those 'more reputation than ability' ref. He dishes out cards like no tomorrow, and that's before things get heated up. When things heat up, you can be sure he'll be there to add fuel to the fire.
 
I hope for:

GK: VDS

RB: Brown
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Heinze
LB: Evra

RM: Ronaldo
CM: Carrick
CM: Fletcher
LM: Giggs

CF: Rooney
CF: Saha
 
I hope for:

GK: VDS

RB: Brown
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Heinze
LB: Evra

RM: Ronaldo
CM: Carrick
CM: Fletcher
LM: Giggs

CF: Rooney
CF: Solskjaer

Edit: Saha's apparently a certain benchwarmer.
 
He won't even be on the bench.

9 April 2007

Louis Saha is closer to regaining fitness and Ferguson has confirmed that the French striker will be on the bench for Tuesday's UEFA Champions League quarter-final, second leg against Roma.

"He'll be okay to be on the bench," Ferguson confirmed. "He's a bit cautious but he will be featuring."

SkySports.com
 
9 April 2007

Louis Saha is closer to regaining fitness and Ferguson has confirmed that the French striker will be on the bench for Tuesday's UEFA Champions League quarter-final, second leg against Roma.

"He'll be okay to be on the bench," Ferguson confirmed. "He's a bit cautious but he will be featuring."

SkySports.com

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article1632142.ece

Manchester United (from): Van der Sar, Kuszczak, O'Shea, Brown, Ferdinand, Cathcart, Heinze, Evra, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Carrick, Eagles, Giggs, Richardson, Solskjaer, Smith, Rooney, Dong.
 
I think SAF should use some "runners" to counter their midfielders;
The line-up could be:
.....................VDS.......................
Brown...... Rio..........Heinze...... Evra
Ronaldo.... Carrick... O'shea...... Giggs
.....................Rooney....................
.....................Smith......................

Roma do not have big tall strikers and putting
Heinze in the middle can counter their skilful
footwork. Evra and Brown are fast players and
will be suitable on the flanks. Let O'shea do all
the defensive stuff in the mid-field and Carrick
carry out all the pin-point passes whenever he can.
Rooney, Ronaldo and Giggs should be free to run
all over and Smith to harass them with his physique.
United must not stop running and must chase for every
ball after loosing possession, especially Giggs. He has not been
doing that recently.
 
Saha has just been ruled out of the match completely
 
Why play Giggs in the middle and Fletcher on the right.?Giggs has been awful recently in central midfield.He seems a bit lost there.

Total bullshit, the last time Giggs played center midfield was in the cup against Boro where he was immense with Carrick. So thats why id play Giggs there.
 
any info on this guy? can Roma have him in their pocket like the last one?

Channel 4 did this piece on him...

Lubos Michel has been assigned to officiate Roma’s Champions League quarter-final second leg against Manchester United.

The Slovak was voted best European referee by the IFFHS in 2006 and second best in the world.

The 2-1 win at the Olimpico sparked controversy, as Sir Alex Ferguson was unhappy with Paul Scholes’ dismissal for a blatant trip on Francesco Totti - his second bookable offence.

The tension in the stands with trouble between local police and Manchester United fans also makes the return at Old Trafford a potential powder keg.

Michel became an international referee at the age of 25 and at 31 joined the UEFA ‘Top Class’. He officiated Paraguay-South Africa in the 2002 World Cup and the 2003 UEFA Cup Final between Porto and Celtic.

Most recently he was in charge of the tense Germany-Argentina quarter-final in the 2006 World Cup.

His assistants at Old Trafford will be Roman Slysko, Martin Balko and fourth official Pavel Olsiak.
 
scared about this game, not as confident as last week after watching the game at portsmouth, we were fecking shit there, have to play 100 times better if we want to get through
key is to keep a clean sheet
 
I know that there is some risk in doing so, with the threat Roma pose, but i'd sure like to see O'Shea and Heinze supporting our attacks far more this time around.

And with us being at home and the situation we find ourselves in, it is more likely.

I would appear to be in the minority in wanting Fergie to go with Ole from the start alongside Rooney, but so be it. Smith will offer up a greter physical presence, though Ole in turn brings qualities in front of goal that he does not possess. Yes he will tire, but hopefully the damage is done or a significant amount of it by the time we reach that stage of the game.

Of course shutting them out is half the battle in some ways, but i was at the Porto game a few seasons back, i do not want us sitting on a slim lead toward the end with the possibility of a repeat of that hanging over us. I'm not suggesting we throw caution to the wind utterly, however i do not believe it will suit us and aid us in turning round the tie, if we abandon our values now, if you know what i mean.
 
Totti hamstring worries Roma

Roma coach Luciano Spalletti will make a late decision on Francesco Totti's fitness ahead of the Champions League tie with Manchester United.

Totti was rested from his side's Serie A draw with Catania at the weekend but has arrived in England struggling to overcome a hamstring strain.

It is widely anticipated the Italian World Cup winner will feature against United but Spalletti insists the injury is giving a worry.

"It is the thing I am most concerned about at the moment," he said.

"I need to see him in training and check on him tomorrow. Hopefully he will be able to play because we need him."

Providing Totti makes it, Roma may show just one change from the side which earned a 2-1 first-leg victory in the Stadio Olimpico last week.

With Ashton-born Simone Perrotta suspended and immediate recall is expected for Chile international David Pizarro, who was himself banned for the first leg.

Roma (from): Doni, Curci, Cassetti, Ferrari, Chivu, Mexes, Faty, De Rossi, Wilhelmsson, Panucci, Pizarro, Taddei, Rosi, Mancini, Vucinic, Tavano, Totti
 
I might not be around much tomorrow so Ill wish everyone the best, stay safe, and let United kick the arse of those roman cnuts.
 
it's time again for the new class to show their competency of a united quality. I have no doubt of the blend fergal picks, i am sure they will rise to the occasion and deliver an astounding performance to gain revenge on Roma for misreating the travelling supporters in the first leg. Scholes may be out but Carrick is gona be on FIYA !!!
R.I.P Roma A C
 
C'Mon United!! Today we winnnnnnnn

----------------------------Van Der SAr---------------------------
Heinze--------------Ferdinand-------------Brown--------------Evra
Ronny-------------Fletcher---------------Carrick--------------Giggs
----------------Rooney--------------------Ole---------------------

We win 3-0. Rooney, Ronny and O'shea at 2nd half.
 
..................................................VDS

Brown.......................Rio..........................Heinze......................Evra


..............................Fletcher......................Carrick

...Ronaldo.............................................................................Giggs

.........................................................Rooney

..................................Ole/Smith (Hard one to call)


This would make me happy. Bring Heinze into center defence, Roma are more of a threat down the middle.

Drop Rooney back a tad to cover where we are not as strong as we should be.

3 -1 United, Giggs, Rooney 2
 
..................................................VDS

Brown.......................Rio..........................Heinze......................Evra


..............................Fletcher......................Carrick

...Ronaldo.............................................................................Giggs

.........................................................Rooney

..................................Ole/Smith (Hard one to call)


This would make me happy. Bring Heinze into center defence, Roma are more of a threat down the middle.

Drop Rooney back a tad to cover where we are not as strong as we should be.

3 -1 United, Giggs, Rooney 2


I don't ever recall Heinze playing centre defence for either United or Argentina. I know he played on the left of a three man defence for Argentina but it's a bit different.

I'm not saying such a partnership wouldn't work but it would certainly be a risky game to trial such a move in, mainly because it takes time for centre backs to develop an understanding. Brown and Ferdinand have played together there for years and are definitely the safest option as far as I'm concerned.

For me:



------------------VDS-------------------
-------------------------------------
O'Shea---Ferdiand----Brown----Heinze
--------------------------------------
-----------Carrick----Fletcher--------
--------------------------------------
Ronaldo-----------Rooney---------Giggs
---------------------------------------
-------------------Smith---------------
 
with scholes out, I think Fletcher will get the nod ahead of giggs to play beside carrick. I'd go with our trusted 4-4-2:

-------------Edwin van der Sar;
John O'Shea, Rio Ferdinand, Wes Brown, Gabriel Heinze;
Cristiano Ronaldo, Michael Carrick, Darren Fletcher, Ryan Giggs;
--------------Wayne Rooney, Ole Gunnar Solskjær.

it's time ronaldo scored in the CL.
2-0
 
How about:

van der Sar

O'Shea Rio Brown Heinze

Ole Fletch Carrick Ronnie

Giggs Rooney​

To me, Ole looked pretty decent when defending last Wed. Would be interesting at least. :D
 
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By Neil Custis
April 10 2007


WAYNE ROONEY is backing the magic of Cristiano Ronaldo to conjure up a European fightback against Roma.

Manchester United trail 2-1 from the first leg of their Champions League quarter-final in Rome.

And they have never recovered from losing the first match to win a tie in the competition.

Then again, they have never had someone playing the way Ronaldo is at the moment.

Rooney said: “Cristiano is winning games on his own this season. He has been unbelievable. At the minute, he is the best player in the world by far. Hopefully, he can work some magic in this game and get us through to the semi-finals.”

It was some magic from Rooney in the opening clash that has given United a chance going into tonight’s return.

His superbly taken away goal was crucial. It was his first in the competition for 2½ years, since his debut hat-trick against Fenerbahce.

Rooney added: “I hope that goal does prove to be important. It was important to get an away goal to stay in the tie. Now I hope we can make it count and get through.

“I don’t know why it has taken me so long to score again in the competition. I should have scored before but it is just a relief to get that one.

“Perhaps the talk about it will stop and I can go on and get more goals in the tournament.”

With injury problems mounting, there is an even greater reliance growing on Rooney and Ronaldo.

It was revealed yesterday that Louis Saha is back on the treatment table with hamstring problems.

He joins Mikael Silvestre, Nemanja Vidic, Gary Neville and Ji-Sung Park on the first-team injury list.

United’s problems against Roma were obviously compounded by Paul Scholes’ sending-off, which rules him out of the second leg. And all these worries have come at a crucial stage of the campaign.

United’s lead in the Premiership was cut to three points at the weekend, when they lost to Portsmouth and Chelsea beat Tottenham.

“But with the speed we have in our team, and the match being at Old Trafford, I am sure we can cause them problems. We just have to take our chances.”

United boss Alex Ferguson is backing his team’s strength of character in the face of adversity to get them through.

He said: “This team has always been able to bounce back from set-backs. We have done it this season after we lost at home to Arsenal and then went on a great run.

“We lost in the New Year to West Ham and then went on another great run. Anyone can lose a game but it is what you do about it that makes a team.

“I think we are in a good position in this tie. I am pleased that, having played with 10 men for an hour, we were able to get a goal. When we did, Roma became very nervous.

“Our attacking impetus will be even stronger in this second leg than in the first. I think we will make chances and we have to take them.

“If we take a percentage of the chances we create, we have a massive chance.”

Source :: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007160305,00.html



**
By Tim Rich
10/04/2007


During their stay in Rome, as they prepared for what could be a decisive encounter at Portsmouth, it was mooted that Sir Alex Ferguson might take his squad to the Vatican, just as Jack Charlton had gone with his Ireland players during the 1990 World Cup. In the end, the sheer numbers cramming into St Peter's Square for the Easter celebrations precluded it.

Looking for answers: Sir Alex Ferguson knows that anything other than victory is unacceptable
Frankly, Ferguson would have done better taking his injury-raddled squad to Lourdes; never has he been in greater need of miracle cures. When the Manchester United manager talks about the side that slalomed its way past every obstacle to the Treble, he will make one point. It suffered no injuries and, until the European Cup final, no suspensions.

As he makes his preparations for tonight's European Cup quarter-final with Roma, Ferguson has problems putting a coherent team together. He has no specialist right-back, two of his three most experienced centre-halves are injured, his first choice left-back has not kicked a ball in anger in more than a month. Louis Saha, his chief striking support for Wayne Rooney. is unfit and his most experienced central midfielder got himself suspended with a piece of brainless tackling in the first leg.

Overcoming a 2-1 deficit at home should not be beyond teams of United's resilience, and Roma are not in the class of the Juventus side that Roy Keane drove aside to take his players to the 1999 European Cup final. But to overturn Roma's 2-1 lead at Old Trafford with the thin resources at his disposal would count among Ferguson's finest achievements.

"We have proved ourselves a number of times and we are no more tense than for any other European tie," Ferguson said. "Can you compare Roma with the great Juventus teams that have come here, or with the Milan of two years ago or with Real Madrid or Bayern Munich who have all come here? It is not going to be any more tense than those games. We have won eight championships; there was a bit of tension there."

It should be pointed out that the last time those clubs went to Old Trafford, they all achieved results that would see Roma through to the semi-finals this evening - or, in Juventus' case, extra time. Ferguson seemed genuinely puzzled when it was put to him that United had never overturned a first-leg defeat in the Champions League under his management.

Actually, United have failed five times to pull back a first-leg reverse and it was the first of those - the 1997 semi-final against Borussia Dortmund - that Ferguson called to mind yesterday. Then, United, having lost 1-0 in the Westfalen Stadium, squandered innumerable chances to snatch victory at Old Trafford.

Ferguson is convinced his players will create openings against a Roma side whose loss through suspension of Simone Perrotta - "their best off-the-ball player" the United manager said - might be every bit as influential as that of Paul Scholes.

"Our attacking emphasis will be more apparent," Ferguson said. "I think we will make chances but we have missed them in the past, particularly in two semi-finals here [against Borussia Dortmund and Bayer Leverkusen]. If we can create chances and take a percentage, we have a massive chance."

Whether they take them could depend on Wayne Rooney, whose away goal in the Olympic Stadium put to bed all the questions about why he cannot score in the Champions League.

"Playing against Italian teams is a test," Rooney reflected. "The game is slower, they are a lot more organised, but with our players and with the speed they have got, we can cause them problems at Old Trafford."

Rooney has faced Italian opposition only once before at Old Trafford, in 2005 when United were outclassed by Milan. "Cristiano Ronaldo and me were still young, trying to learn the game and lacking experience," Rooney said. "Playing against the likes of Maldini and Nesta does give you a good platform to learn from. We have both improved as players since then and we have matured a lot - especially Cristiano. He is winning games on his own and is by far the best player in the world. Hopefully, he can work some of his magic and get us into the semi-finals."

Team details

Manchester United (probable 4-4-2): Van der Sar; O'Shea, Ferdinand, Brown, Heinze; Ronaldo, Fletcher, Carrick, Giggs; Solskjaer, Rooney.
Roma (probable, 4-2-3-1): Doni; Cassetti, Mexes, Chivu, Panucci; De Rossi, Pizarro; Wilhelmsson, Taddei, Mancini; Totti.
Referee: L Michel (Slovakia).


Source :: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/04/10/sfnman10.xml



The individual qualities of certain players are all well and good, but we need a team to rise to the occasion tonight, or we won't be finding success at the end of this.

The Daily Mail and the Telegraph have both gone with same probable teams, The Sun and The Times don't have one up in their online editions. Though where some fo the XI will end up stariting the game is still open to debate.
 
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson admits he has fears over Roma's away form.

"We have given ourselves the best advantage in that we have scored the away goal, and if we win 1-0 we are through," said Ferguson. "But Roma's 2-0 win in Lyon was special. We have got to analyse that game. We know what they are capable of."
 
Agree Gus, let`s get this one going.



-----------Vds-----------

O`Shea--Rio----Wes--Heinze

Ronaldo-Fletch-Carrick-Giggs

---------Rooney-Ole-------


Pred: 2-0 Ole and Rooney
 
We haven't had much luck in the last 2 games, especially with the Hometown referees who have been CRAP. I don't believe we've been playing badly and hopefully we can turn over these roman twats tonight. I didn't think they looked that good last week. especially as they had the Ref in their pocket and were only up against 10 men. 3-0 to United!
 
I think SAF should use some "runners" to counter their midfielders;
The line-up could be:
.....................VDS.......................
Brown...... Rio..........Heinze...... Evra
Ronaldo.... Carrick... O'shea...... Giggs
.....................Rooney....................
.....................Smith......................

.



That would be my preferred option too....

I think O Shea is actually a better attacking option than Fletcher, when hes on his form..... To me that midfield formation is more balanced and could attack and defend as one unit....
 
I hope our defence will be like this

Brown......Rio......Heinze......Evra

and not like this

O'Shea.....Rio.....Brown.......Heinze

Brown gets forward much more than o'shea in the RB position and has better control. Evra is a great attatcking left back, just what we need tonight because we need to attack on the flanks as well.
 
Ok well we're down to the bare bones with Park out and Saha to start on the bench at best so....

GK: VDS

RB: O'Shea
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Brown
LB: Heinze

RM: Fletcher
CM: Carrick
CM: Giggs
LM: Ronaldo

CF: Rooney
CF: Solskjaer (although personally id go with Smith)

After the first leg i was sure we'd go through but after the pompy game im not so sure 1-1 :(

Have some faith please! It is still 11 vs 11.
 
Agree Gus, let`s get this one going.



-----------Vds-----------

O`Shea--Rio----Wes--Heinze

Ronaldo-Fletch-Carrick-Giggs

---------Rooney-Ole-------


Pred: 2-0 Ole and Rooney

Lets face it, this is going to be the back line. Fergie hasnt allowed heinze to be an option at CB for reasons only known to himself, he's hardly liable to gamble now. Those suggesting evra and heinze are dreaming, though it would have been the best set up in my opinion. Not only would brown be more adept at dealing with mancini but i firmly believe o shea is a decent cm...and gives a bit more composure on the ball in there than fletcher.

But back to reality, that looks like the mid but i have a feeling we'll see ronaldo on the left, giggs through the middle and fletcher on the right to help counter the threat of mancini. Sadly it seems we rarely play ole up top these days, id be tempted to start with smith, at least it gives us a back to goal player and rooney can play off him.

Finally there must be an outside chance fergie is up to his old tricks and that louis will start.
 
Lets face it, this is going to be the back line. Fergie hasnt allowed heinze to be an option at CB for reasons only known to himself, he's hardly liable to gamble now. Those suggesting evra and heinze are dreaming, though it would have been the best set up in my opinion. Not only would brown be more adept at dealing with mancini but i firmly believe o shea is a decent cm...and gives a bit more composure on the ball in there than fletcher.

But back to reality, that looks like the mid but i have a feeling we'll see ronaldo on the left, giggs through the middle and fletcher on the right to help counter the threat of mancini. Sadly it seems we rarely play ole up top these days, id be tempted to start with smith, at least it gives us a back to goal player and rooney can play off him.

Finally there must be an outside chance fergie is up to his old tricks and that louis will start.

Forget about the defence tonight. just play Smith, Saha, Ole and all upfront. Attack and attack and attack. Lets face it, we got nothing to lose so may as well play all the attacking players and go for goals.
 
Lets face it, this is going to be the back line. Fergie hasnt allowed heinze to be an option at CB for reasons only known to himself, he's hardly liable to gamble now. Those suggesting evra and heinze are dreaming, though it would have been the best set up in my opinion. Not only would brown be more adept at dealing with mancini but i firmly believe o shea is a decent cm...and gives a bit more composure on the ball in there than fletcher.

But back to reality, that looks like the mid but i have a feeling we'll see ronaldo on the left, giggs through the middle and fletcher on the right to help counter the threat of mancini. Sadly it seems we rarely play ole up top these days, id be tempted to start with smith, at least it gives us a back to goal player and rooney can play off him.

Finally there must be an outside chance fergie is up to his old tricks and that louis will start.


No chance of seeing Heinze in the middle, don`t really know why so many on here see that as likely. I hope we don`t see Fletch on the wing, I feel that our wingers will be our main threat today, and I want Giggs/Ronaldo out wide. Mancini IS a big threat no doubt, but we`re at Old Trafford and need to win so I hope we play our game and not adapt to the opposition too much. Ole hasn`t been playing very well this season (though he has got some goals) so I wouldn`t mind seeing Smith start. Ole is best from the bench anyway!
 
-----------Vds-----------

------Wes----Rio--Heinze

-------Fletch-Carrick-O`Shea-
Ronaldo-------------------Giggs

--------------Rooney
------------Smith------------

I'd go with this formation, choke the hell out of them italians in the mid field and give us a advantage in the final third!!!
 
I'm really exicited and nervous about tonight.

I can't pick my line up as there are too many options, none of which are perfect. Personally I think I'd put Gabby at CB so Evra can get some width, that relies on him being fit. I'd resist any temptation to play Fletcher from the start as I think he stifles our creativity going forward. We have to boss the midfield area so I wouldn't be surprised if JOS and Carrick play there with Giggs and Ronaldo on the flanks. Rooney and Smith up front with Ole ready to spring off the bench when we need a goal.

I can't help feeling that if we keep a clean shet we're through but if we concede we're going to find it very very tough indeed.

Knowing UNited we'll concede in the first 10 minutes and I won't have any nails left by 9:30!

Come on you Reds!